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Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's been busy since I stepped away to enjoy myself with friends last night. Doesn't anyone have holiday plans?

I'm the poster from yesterday who explained in a nuanced (thank you, PP, for acknowledging this!) way why I, as an American Jew, support Israel. It may shock you to learn that I am nauseated by the actions of the violent settlers and also by Ben-Gvir and his minions just as I am by the January 6th thugs and Trump. That doesn't negate my attachment to Israel and its people. Do you demand of the Chinese people on this site that they renounce China due to its treatment of the Uyghurs? How about Russian posters--are they allowed to have warm feelings toward their homeland and their relatives or must they sever ties because of Putin? How about the Syrians here? Hungarians? You see how silly that all sounds?

Anyway, you can keep at each other's throats if you like. I'll be finishing my application for a volunteer program in the Holy Land later this year and enjoying a good Mary Gaitskill novel and some chocolate. Peace to everyone.

Yasss queen you go volunteer in your genocidal ethnostate that is going to self destruct

Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's been busy since I stepped away to enjoy myself with friends last night. Doesn't anyone have holiday plans?

I'm the poster from yesterday who explained in a nuanced (thank you, PP, for acknowledging this!) way why I, as an American Jew, support Israel. It may shock you to learn that I am nauseated by the actions of the violent settlers and also by Ben-Gvir and his minions just as I am by the January 6th thugs and Trump. That doesn't negate my attachment to Israel and its people. Do you demand of the Chinese people on this site that they renounce China due to its treatment of the Uyghurs? How about Russian posters--are they allowed to have warm feelings toward their homeland and their relatives or must they sever ties because of Putin? How about the Syrians here? Hungarians? You see how silly that all sounds?

Anyway, you can keep at each other's throats if you like. I'll be finishing my application for a volunteer program in the Holy Land later this year and enjoying a good Mary Gaitskill novel and some chocolate. Peace to everyone.

Anonymous wrote:Wow, it's been busy since I stepped away to enjoy myself with friends last night. Doesn't anyone have holiday plans?

I'm the poster from yesterday who explained in a nuanced (thank you, PP, for acknowledging this!) way why I, as an American Jew, support Israel. It may shock you to learn that I am nauseated by the actions of the violent settlers and also by Ben-Gvir and his minions just as I am by the January 6th thugs and Trump. That doesn't negate my attachment to Israel and its people. Do you demand of the Chinese people on this site that they renounce China due to its treatment of the Uyghurs? How about Russian posters--are they allowed to have warm feelings toward their homeland and their relatives or must they sever ties because of Putin? How about the Syrians here? Hungarians? You see how silly that all sounds?

Anyway, you can keep at each other's throats if you like. I'll be finishing my application for a volunteer program in the Holy Land later this year and enjoying a good Mary Gaitskill novel and some chocolate. Peace to everyone.

Anonymous wrote:Israeli soldiers rape the weak. They rape their comrades if they are not strong enough. It’s a rape culture, so none of this is news.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

Can you explain its strategic relevance? Other than in protecting itself?

Sure, assuming these questions are being asked in good faith. It's a regional bulwark against terror. It has insane military and intelligence capabilities that have enabled us to thwart threats. Its Mossad is unparalleled. I'm very, very thankful we have it.

Yeah. I think this is all nonsense. Israel was not even able to stop a bunch of people flying in with kites. I don’t think it has thwarted any threats to the US and I think the terror threats to the US from the region have been wildly overblown. What is the use of our bases there if Israel is so useful? I think Israel’s entire reputation as an ally is propaganda.

DP. People who aren’t involved in intelligence and who consume their own sources of propaganda would naturally say this. Israel’s intelligence is second to none, except perhaps our own. They are a strategic partner against Islamic extremism.

Yes, they dropped the ball on 10/7. Not going to pretend otherwise. But there are so many terrorist attacks that have been thwarted by the Israeli/US partnership about which you know nothing. We are incredibly fortunate to have a strategic partner in that location. Enough said.

DP

Enough don’t believe that ^^^, anything Israel claims regarding their purported value as a strategic partner, or frankly anything that comes from the mouth of any Zionist (e.g., you) at all.

We don’t want to partner with an amoral nation that has led us down amoral paths. We’re nauseated by your celebration of vengeance and violence. We don’t want it. And yes, before you refer to your Zionism for Dummies handbook of propaganda, we fully and completely reject Hamas and similar extremist groups, too.

Change is coming. One way or another.

I’m not a Zionist, dimwit. I’m entirely concerned with eradicating terrorism by the Islamic extremists in that area who want nothing more than “death to America,” i.e., death to western values, Jews, Americans, and anyone who doesn’t believe in their fanatical ideology.

What you are, is an irrelevant rounding error of a scaredy cat propagandist who just repeats what you’re told by others.

You’re nothing more than a drone who regurgitates the usual propaganda takes, carefully crafted by mouth breathers in special interest groups who wouldn’t stop their march toward corruption to pull your drowning face from the pool of misinformation and revisionism that they placed before you.

You’re an embarrassment, and you relinquished your own free mind long ago.

Your post is 100% projection. As usual. Do continue peddling your pro-Iranian propaganda and telling us how “moral” and “humane” Hamas, Hezbollah, and Iran are.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

Can you explain its strategic relevance? Other than in protecting itself?

Sure, assuming these questions are being asked in good faith. It's a regional bulwark against terror. It has insane military and intelligence capabilities that have enabled us to thwart threats. Its Mossad is unparalleled. I'm very, very thankful we have it.

Yeah. I think this is all nonsense. Israel was not even able to stop a bunch of people flying in with kites. I don’t think it has thwarted any threats to the US and I think the terror threats to the US from the region have been wildly overblown. What is the use of our bases there if Israel is so useful? I think Israel’s entire reputation as an ally is propaganda.

DP. People who aren’t involved in intelligence and who consume their own sources of propaganda would naturally say this. Israel’s intelligence is second to none, except perhaps our own. They are a strategic partner against Islamic extremism.

Yes, they dropped the ball on 10/7. Not going to pretend otherwise. But there are so many terrorist attacks that have been thwarted by the Israeli/US partnership about which you know nothing. We are incredibly fortunate to have a strategic partner in that location. Enough said.

DP

Enough don’t believe that ^^^, anything Israel claims regarding their purported value as a strategic partner, or frankly anything that comes from the mouth of any Zionist (e.g., you) at all.

We don’t want to partner with an amoral nation that has led us down amoral paths. We’re nauseated by your celebration of vengeance and violence. We don’t want it. And yes, before you refer to your Zionism for Dummies handbook of propaganda, we fully and completely reject Hamas and similar extremist groups, too.

Change is coming. One way or another.

I’m not a Zionist, dimwit. I’m entirely concerned with eradicating terrorism by the Islamic extremists in that area who want nothing more than “death to America,” i.e., death to western values, Jews, Americans, and anyone who doesn’t believe in their fanatical ideology.

What you are, is an irrelevant rounding error of a scaredy cat propagandist who just repeats what you’re told by others.

You’re nothing more than a drone who regurgitates the usual propaganda takes, carefully crafted by mouth breathers in special interest groups who wouldn’t stop their march toward corruption to pull your drowning face from the pool of misinformation and revisionism that they placed before you.

You’re an embarrassment, and you relinquished your own free mind long ago.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

DP- if that's the best you can come up with in response, I guess the pp must be hitting a nerve...

Nope. It’s just the fantastical style that’s so telling. This creature can’t merely insist that I and other Zionists are wrong, they have to go over the cliff by implying that nobody cares about October 7 and anyhow it wasn’t actually Hamas who killed most of the 1,200 dead on October 7. I mean, it’s laughable and sad. This poster just cannot get out of their own way.

A moron thinks Hamas killed 1200. An absolute moron. And BTW, why is it we can't mention that hundreds were soldiers but you get to justify demonizing every Palestinian? Oh, right, you ppl are the only ones who get to be treated like giant babies "kidnapped from tanks."

You can't debate me, that's why you do this every single time. You think your responses to me look good to anyone who isn't as delusional as you? You don't deserve even a modicum of respect. You need to get this once and for all: No personal attacks on me mean anything coming for the likes of you. You defend a rape colony where they gather to watch their savagery on a big screen, like its a Sunday tailgate. Even the "Antisemitism Czars" are psychopaths. The very reason you don't actually challenge mean on any link or verified HISTORY, is because how in the hell can you? There is not a single thing you CAN defend or challenge, that's why you pathetically cling to personal attacks. You freaks were obsessing over dog rape as if there isn't already proof of systemic rape by IsraeL from its very inception. You ignored the countless times it was pointed out that Jews claimed Nazis used dogs and that it was also done in Chile. I even linked to the woman known for having trained the dogs. That's how far we have to go when it comes to any claim by Palestinians. The woman who wrote that garbage report about Hamas is a proven liar and the report involved rehashed BS, but you expect ppl w/ above a one digit IQ to just go along w/ it because Zionists don't ever have to back up their BS claims, right? Point to an Arabic calendar and claim "Khamas." Claim you didn't slaughter medical workers and bury their ambulances despite Palestinians claiming you did and only when the Zionists act w/ such impunity that they get sloppy and bury the phone proving what they've done comes to surface, is when Palestinians are finally believed. Lie about death counts and won't tell anyone why you won't let the world in (we all know why). Claim every journalist or doctor or professor you've slaughtered was "Khamas."

I'm smarter than you'll ever be on this because the moment you mention Hamas or Oct 7, that's the moment most don't gives a sh*t what you think because we all know what led to both. You don't get to decide that everything that led to an Oct 7 doesn't count, but that everything post that day is perfectly reasonable.

I especially love this new thing where now, it's not "just Bibi" but now it's "just Ben Gvir." It's such a beautiful thing watching the world find out what Palestinians have know and been dealing with for 80 years and in only two years, they loathe you for having done far less to the world than you have to Palestinians. You don't look good to anyone who isn't a racist, a bigot, getting paid/blackmailed to push propaganda on Isr's behalf or thinks you need to convert or die.

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Like a tidal wave of truth to wash away decades of Zionist propaganda and lies.

OMG, you and the lunatic PP are so grossly brainwashed. “Truth”?? The PP is the biggest purveyor of sheer propaganda on this entire site. Insisting Hamas didn’t murder 1,200 people (and take 250 hostages) on 10/7 is really something, considering every single source reports as much, including the UN. But no, anyone believing that is the “moron,” not the insane ranter, above.

Honestly, every reasonable discussion is ruined when the toxic propagandist shows up.

Let's do a numbers exercise, PP.

1,200 <<< 80,000 Palestinian noncombatants murdered by the state and buried in rubble

1,200<<<<<<<< 1,000,0000 Lebanese fleeing from their homeland due to the invasion of a belligerent colonial power.

Look who’s grossly inflating their numbers! Provide a source. An unbiased one.

Uh, well facts are this. About 1200 people were murdered on 10/7. It's roughly 850 civilians and 350 security personnel, of whom many were conscripted women that the IDF put on the fence between Israel and Gaza. Additionally, Hamas kidnapped 251 people. They killed half of them.

In response, Israel killed more than 75,000 documented people in Gaza and absolutely leveled it. There are an additional 11,000 missing persons in Gaza, who we can assume were obliterated and there was nothing to be found. So roughly 85,000 dead Palestinians in Gaza. Sources everywhere. And the vast, vast majority were civilians, women and children.

Additionally, Israel has invaded southern Lebanon, and very clearly mean to take everything south of the Litani River, which has caused more than a million Lebanese to flee for their lives. Again, sources everywhere. Lebanon is reporting more than 3000 dead, and again, it's mostly civilians.

Israel has also sent more than 700,000 orthodox fanatics into the West Bank to take land and terrorize the local population. Those colonists have killed about 1200 people since 10/7. Again, well-documented everywhere.

And then there's the war with Iran, which has all sorts of consequences everywhere.

Facts are facts. Obviously Hamas and Hezbollah are terrible. But anyone trying to portray Israel as some kind of humane and rational country is just wrong. Israel is horrible by any measure. It's a cruel, violent, belligerent country in 2026. And I have no idea why US taxpayers are expected to spend billions to support Israel.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

DP- if that's the best you can come up with in response, I guess the pp must be hitting a nerve...

Nope. It’s just the fantastical style that’s so telling. This creature can’t merely insist that I and other Zionists are wrong, they have to go over the cliff by implying that nobody cares about October 7 and anyhow it wasn’t actually Hamas who killed most of the 1,200 dead on October 7. I mean, it’s laughable and sad. This poster just cannot get out of their own way.

A moron thinks Hamas killed 1200. An absolute moron. And BTW, why is it we can't mention that hundreds were soldiers but you get to justify demonizing every Palestinian? Oh, right, you ppl are the only ones who get to be treated like giant babies "kidnapped from tanks."

You can't debate me, that's why you do this every single time. You think your responses to me look good to anyone who isn't as delusional as you? You don't deserve even a modicum of respect. You need to get this once and for all: No personal attacks on me mean anything coming for the likes of you. You defend a rape colony where they gather to watch their savagery on a big screen, like its a Sunday tailgate. Even the "Antisemitism Czars" are psychopaths. The very reason you don't actually challenge mean on any link or verified HISTORY, is because how in the hell can you? There is not a single thing you CAN defend or challenge, that's why you pathetically cling to personal attacks. You freaks were obsessing over dog rape as if there isn't already proof of systemic rape by IsraeL from its very inception. You ignored the countless times it was pointed out that Jews claimed Nazis used dogs and that it was also done in Chile. I even linked to the woman known for having trained the dogs. That's how far we have to go when it comes to any claim by Palestinians. The woman who wrote that garbage report about Hamas is a proven liar and the report involved rehashed BS, but you expect ppl w/ above a one digit IQ to just go along w/ it because Zionists don't ever have to back up their BS claims, right? Point to an Arabic calendar and claim "Khamas." Claim you didn't slaughter medical workers and bury their ambulances despite Palestinians claiming you did and only when the Zionists act w/ such impunity that they get sloppy and bury the phone proving what they've done comes to surface, is when Palestinians are finally believed. Lie about death counts and won't tell anyone why you won't let the world in (we all know why). Claim every journalist or doctor or professor you've slaughtered was "Khamas."

I'm smarter than you'll ever be on this because the moment you mention Hamas or Oct 7, that's the moment most don't gives a sh*t what you think because we all know what led to both. You don't get to decide that everything that led to an Oct 7 doesn't count, but that everything post that day is perfectly reasonable.

I especially love this new thing where now, it's not "just Bibi" but now it's "just Ben Gvir." It's such a beautiful thing watching the world find out what Palestinians have know and been dealing with for 80 years and in only two years, they loathe you for having done far less to the world than you have to Palestinians. You don't look good to anyone who isn't a racist, a bigot, getting paid/blackmailed to push propaganda on Isr's behalf or thinks you need to convert or die.

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Like a tidal wave of truth to wash away decades of Zionist propaganda and lies.

OMG, you and the lunatic PP are so grossly brainwashed. “Truth”?? The PP is the biggest purveyor of sheer propaganda on this entire site. Insisting Hamas didn’t murder 1,200 people (and take 250 hostages) on 10/7 is really something, considering every single source reports as much, including the UN. But no, anyone believing that is the “moron,” not the insane ranter, above.

Honestly, every reasonable discussion is ruined when the toxic propagandist shows up.

Let's do a numbers exercise, PP.

1,200 <<< 80,000 Palestinian noncombatants murdered by the state and buried in rubble

1,200<<<<<<<< 1,000,0000 Lebanese fleeing from their homeland due to the invasion of a belligerent colonial power.

Look who’s grossly inflating their numbers! Provide a source. An unbiased one.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

DP- if that's the best you can come up with in response, I guess the pp must be hitting a nerve...

Nope. It’s just the fantastical style that’s so telling. This creature can’t merely insist that I and other Zionists are wrong, they have to go over the cliff by implying that nobody cares about October 7 and anyhow it wasn’t actually Hamas who killed most of the 1,200 dead on October 7. I mean, it’s laughable and sad. This poster just cannot get out of their own way.

A moron thinks Hamas killed 1200. An absolute moron. And BTW, why is it we can't mention that hundreds were soldiers but you get to justify demonizing every Palestinian? Oh, right, you ppl are the only ones who get to be treated like giant babies "kidnapped from tanks."

You can't debate me, that's why you do this every single time. You think your responses to me look good to anyone who isn't as delusional as you? You don't deserve even a modicum of respect. You need to get this once and for all: No personal attacks on me mean anything coming for the likes of you. You defend a rape colony where they gather to watch their savagery on a big screen, like its a Sunday tailgate. Even the "Antisemitism Czars" are psychopaths. The very reason you don't actually challenge mean on any link or verified HISTORY, is because how in the hell can you? There is not a single thing you CAN defend or challenge, that's why you pathetically cling to personal attacks. You freaks were obsessing over dog rape as if there isn't already proof of systemic rape by IsraeL from its very inception. You ignored the countless times it was pointed out that Jews claimed Nazis used dogs and that it was also done in Chile. I even linked to the woman known for having trained the dogs. That's how far we have to go when it comes to any claim by Palestinians. The woman who wrote that garbage report about Hamas is a proven liar and the report involved rehashed BS, but you expect ppl w/ above a one digit IQ to just go along w/ it because Zionists don't ever have to back up their BS claims, right? Point to an Arabic calendar and claim "Khamas." Claim you didn't slaughter medical workers and bury their ambulances despite Palestinians claiming you did and only when the Zionists act w/ such impunity that they get sloppy and bury the phone proving what they've done comes to surface, is when Palestinians are finally believed. Lie about death counts and won't tell anyone why you won't let the world in (we all know why). Claim every journalist or doctor or professor you've slaughtered was "Khamas."

I'm smarter than you'll ever be on this because the moment you mention Hamas or Oct 7, that's the moment most don't gives a sh*t what you think because we all know what led to both. You don't get to decide that everything that led to an Oct 7 doesn't count, but that everything post that day is perfectly reasonable.

I especially love this new thing where now, it's not "just Bibi" but now it's "just Ben Gvir." It's such a beautiful thing watching the world find out what Palestinians have know and been dealing with for 80 years and in only two years, they loathe you for having done far less to the world than you have to Palestinians. You don't look good to anyone who isn't a racist, a bigot, getting paid/blackmailed to push propaganda on Isr's behalf or thinks you need to convert or die.

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Like a tidal wave of truth to wash away decades of Zionist propaganda and lies.

OMG, you and the lunatic PP are so grossly brainwashed. “Truth”?? The PP is the biggest purveyor of sheer propaganda on this entire site. Insisting Hamas didn’t murder 1,200 people (and take 250 hostages) on 10/7 is really something, considering every single source reports as much, including the UN. But no, anyone believing that is the “moron,” not the insane ranter, above.

Honestly, every reasonable discussion is ruined when the toxic propagandist shows up.

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Anonymous wrote:Reports are coming from several different country officials:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2026/may/22/gaza-flotilla-activists-allege-sexual-assault-and-in-israeli-detention

The Jewish people I know are some of the kindest people I know with a strong sense of moral clarity. And yet they seem to reflexively protect Israel. When you see stories like this (and many others), it is hard to understand how they are managing the cognitive dissonance. Israel seems like it’s governed by a bunch of thugs.

Agree. American Jews have been at the forefront of civil rights and fighting for the underdog and generally against evil. I feel like this reflexive embrace of Israel makes them lose the moral high ground they have always and justly occupied.

Israel is very important to many of us, just like fighting for the underdog in America is. I don't suppose anyone not Jewish will understand that. I look at the long arc of history and know in my bones that there is one place in the world whose sole purpose is to protect *me.* America? Hardly. It wasn't that long ago that the St. Louis was turned away in the water and Jews were sent to their deaths. And now? Yeah, right, I trust Trump and his jackboot thugs to keep me safe. And with Democrats like Maureen Galindo who want to put "Zionists" in camps, the left is barely better.

Warts and all, Israel was created to enable Jews to survive and flourish and get us back to our roots that reach back thousands of years, despite the haters claiming that tie doesn't exist. (There has been much ancient Hebrew found during archeological digs.) Don't forget that many of us have relatives in Israel. I do. I've been there. I know these people. They, like most of us, want Netanyahu out and peace for everyone. No one enjoys having their lives disrupted the way they have been.

We are waiting for principled leadership in Israel much as most of us are waiting for principled leadership of the U.S. But we will not abandon our ancestral homeland and its people to score political points--not happening.

That's fine and very understandable. However, so far the US has spent about $300 Billion supporting Israel. And the Israel of today is not the Israel of yore. Netanyahu and his government of ultra-orthodox thugs just killed 85,000 mostly innocent people in Gaza, invaded Lebanon and sent another 1 million people fleeing for their lives, sent 700,000 religious zealots in to the West Bank to take more land and terrorize people, and launched a major with the Iran, which has caused chaos and the US to expend an enormous percentage of its most advanced munitions. We literally just used half of all our THAAD interceptors - what we use to defend against a nuclear attack - to protect Israel while not being able to protect our own bases in the Gulf.

You have to ask, why is the US spending such an enormous amount of money and resources to fight for a tiny but extremely belligerent country of no strategic relevance to the US? It's not 1948 anymore. There is no justification for this in 2026. And that's not a left or right issue. Pretty much everyone under 50 thinks the massive amount of money and military resources we spend on Israel is nuts.

PP: Israel actually is of very important strategic relevance to us. That you don't understand that undercuts other claims you made, many of which are false or exaggerated.

Can you explain its strategic relevance? Other than in protecting itself?

Sure, assuming these questions are being asked in good faith. It's a regional bulwark against terror. It has insane military and intelligence capabilities that have enabled us to thwart threats. Its Mossad is unparalleled. I'm very, very thankful we have it.

Yeah. I think this is all nonsense. Israel was not even able to stop a bunch of people flying in with kites. I don’t think it has thwarted any threats to the US and I think the terror threats to the US from the region have been wildly overblown. What is the use of our bases there if Israel is so useful? I think Israel’s entire reputation as an ally is propaganda.

DP. People who aren’t involved in intelligence and who consume their own sources of propaganda would naturally say this. Israel’s intelligence is second to none, except perhaps our own. They are a strategic partner against Islamic extremism.

Yes, they dropped the ball on 10/7. Not going to pretend otherwise. But there are so many terrorist attacks that have been thwarted by the Israeli/US partnership about which you know nothing. We are incredibly fortunate to have a strategic partner in that location. Enough said.

DP

Enough don’t believe that ^^^, anything Israel claims regarding their purported value as a strategic partner, or frankly anything that comes from the mouth of any Zionist (e.g., you) at all.

We don’t want to partner with an amoral nation that has led us down amoral paths. We’re nauseated by your celebration of vengeance and violence. We don’t want it. And yes, before you refer to your Zionism for Dummies handbook of propaganda, we fully and completely reject Hamas and similar extremist groups, too.

Change is coming. One way or another.

I’m not a Zionist, dimwit. I’m entirely concerned with eradicating terrorism by the Islamic extremists in that area who want nothing more than “death to America,” i.e., death to western values, Jews, Americans, and anyone who doesn’t believe in their fanatical ideology.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

DP- if that's the best you can come up with in response, I guess the pp must be hitting a nerve...

Another DP - the PP is correct. So interesting how those of you bleating about propaganda stay silent when our resident propagandist shows her ugly self yet again.

DP

“Resident Propagandist”?

Hardly - more like our resident “Paul Revere” for having the fortitude to ride ‘til dawn in exposing the corrupt, evil, insidious nature of anyone left at this point persisting in support of the war crimes, genocide, and general moral turpitude of the State of Israel.

I just can’t… this is so pathetic. You psychos deserve one another.

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Anonymous wrote:PP: Great. You all do you. Several posters here were wondering why empathetic Jewish people (liberals, most of us) support Israel and I answered. You don't have to like my answer or agree with us. Ta.

How “empathetic” are you if you are ok with the genocide and destruction of the Palestinian people? Are you actually as liberal and moral as you thought you were?

Oh, honey. I've marched and donated and held calls to action and put my body on the line in more ways than one to garner support for progressives and for vulnerable people. That was my life. So while I have empathy for the truly innocent of Gaza, I think our definition of truly innocent will differ. I know what evil looks like, and it's those in Gaza who came out in the streets to cheer broken Israeli bodies being paraded around. And who held innocent hostages in their apartments. And who praised their sons who killed as many Jews as possible. And in America and the rest of the West....well, thanks to the reaction of so-called progressives after October 7, I now know that no one is empathetic toward me and my people. They wanted Israelis to lay down their weapons as the hostages were still being tortured underground.

Do you empathize with the still-displaced and emotionally and physically scarred Israelis and the traumatized populace there? Because there's plenty of suffering there to go around.

Unbelievable. Your screed is just another in a long line of empty arguments that will never convince anyone paying attention that history and accountability started on 10/7/2023.

Oct 6 was already the deadliest year for Palestinian *children* in the *West Bank* where these monsters don't have Oct 7 or Hamas to blame for their savagery. I suspect Oct 5, 4, 3, 2022, 2021, 2014 (where these demons gathered to watch Gaza get bombed like it was a sporting event), 1999, 1947... was also very violent for Palestinians. Apparently, none of that can be counted as being the reason Oct 7 happened. I've said this before and I'll say it again: The "liberal" Zionists are far more psychotic than even the conservative ones, because they actually think they don't look insane claiming to believe in human rights or free speech, but then tell themselves it's OK to destroy both, solely on behalf of Isr. They have absolutely no issue w/ students protesting any other country on earth incl America, but don't you dare protest wittle Isr. They tell you it's the "way" they protest. OK, fine...I want to use my 1A to boycott products. No, no, no. We are going to violate your 1A in most of this country solely for Isr. Totally fine if you want to boycott anything else, but you will get fired/not hired if you don't sign this loyalty pledge to that one rape colony.

I've posted the countless videos of everything they admit to having done from its very inception. These losers can't respond w/ anything but "Oct 7." You show them Terrorism was brought to Palestine *by them* they bleat "Oct 7." The Queen herself would not step foot in israel because even she knew their history, but "Oct 7." She viewed every israeli as a terrorist or the son of one. There was no Hamas. Why would there need to be resistance by Palestinians BEFORE Zionists infested the land? You tell them the first synagogue bombed was in Iraq and it was by them to strike fear into the Iraqi Jews who lived well, were in govt and part of the society, they ignore it and bleat "Oct 7." They kidnapped Yemeni Jewish children to give Ashkenazis, Palestinians didn't do that, but... Oct 7.

No one gives a sh*t about Oct 7 or that you still push lies about who actually killed most of them and who is more likely raping w/ impunity, because most learned about every damn day BEFORE Oct 7, and that's why you look like monsters to most of the world, because a deranged person tries to justify everything that has been done post Oct 7 or minimize the savagery, bigotry and racism of Zionism, by pretending every single day of hell for Palestinians prior to that day, never happened and isn't the reason ONE f***ing day in Oct did happen.

Oh, you crawled out of your cave. Slow news day in Tehran or Moscow or wherever you push your propaganda from?

DP- if that's the best you can come up with in response, I guess the pp must be hitting a nerve...

Nope. It’s just the fantastical style that’s so telling. This creature can’t merely insist that I and other Zionists are wrong, they have to go over the cliff by implying that nobody cares about October 7 and anyhow it wasn’t actually Hamas who killed most of the 1,200 dead on October 7. I mean, it’s laughable and sad. This poster just cannot get out of their own way.

A moron thinks Hamas killed 1200. An absolute moron. And BTW, why is it we can't mention that hundreds were soldiers but you get to justify demonizing every Palestinian? Oh, right, you ppl are the only ones who get to be treated like giant babies "kidnapped from tanks."

You can't debate me, that's why you do this every single time. You think your responses to me look good to anyone who isn't as delusional as you? You don't deserve even a modicum of respect. You need to get this once and for all: No personal attacks on me mean anything coming for the likes of you. You defend a rape colony where they gather to watch their savagery on a big screen, like its a Sunday tailgate. Even the "Antisemitism Czars" are psychopaths. The very reason you don't actually challenge mean on any link or verified HISTORY, is because how in the hell can you? There is not a single thing you CAN defend or challenge, that's why you pathetically cling to personal attacks. You freaks were obsessing over dog rape as if there isn't already proof of systemic rape by IsraeL from its very inception. You ignored the countless times it was pointed out that Jews claimed Nazis used dogs and that it was also done in Chile. I even linked to the woman known for having trained the dogs. That's how far we have to go when it comes to any claim by Palestinians. The woman who wrote that garbage report about Hamas is a proven liar and the report involved rehashed BS, but you expect ppl w/ above a one digit IQ to just go along w/ it because Zionists don't ever have to back up their BS claims, right? Point to an Arabic calendar and claim "Khamas." Claim you didn't slaughter medical workers and bury their ambulances despite Palestinians claiming you did and only when the Zionists act w/ such impunity that they get sloppy and bury the phone proving what they've done comes to surface, is when Palestinians are finally believed. Lie about death counts and won't tell anyone why you won't let the world in (we all know why). Claim every journalist or doctor or professor you've slaughtered was "Khamas."

I'm smarter than you'll ever be on this because the moment you mention Hamas or Oct 7, that's the moment most don't gives a sh*t what you think because we all know what led to both. You don't get to decide that everything that led to an Oct 7 doesn't count, but that everything post that day is perfectly reasonable.

I especially love this new thing where now, it's not "just Bibi" but now it's "just Ben Gvir." It's such a beautiful thing watching the world find out what Palestinians have know and been dealing with for 80 years and in only two years, they loathe you for having done far less to the world than you have to Palestinians. You don't look good to anyone who isn't a racist, a bigot, getting paid/blackmailed to push propaganda on Isr's behalf or thinks you need to convert or die.

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Like a tidal wave of truth to wash away decades of Zionist propaganda and lies.

OMG, you and the lunatic PP are so grossly brainwashed. “Truth”?? The PP is the biggest purveyor of sheer propaganda on this entire site. Insisting Hamas didn’t murder 1,200 people (and take 250 hostages) on 10/7 is really something, considering every single source reports as much, including the UN. But no, anyone believing that is the “moron,” not the insane ranter, above.

Honestly, every reasonable discussion is ruined when the toxic propagandist shows up.

Let's do a numbers exercise, PP.

1,200 <<< 80,000 Palestinian noncombatants murdered by the state and buried in rubble

1,200<<<<<<<< 1,000,0000 Lebanese fleeing from their homeland due to the invasion of a belligerent colonial power.