Anonymous wrote:
Under no circumstance should an officer of the law, who is under no threat whatsover, shoot at an unarmed civilian, even if that civilian is disobeying orders.

This was a situation caught on tape where the unarmed civilian was absolutely not trying to hurt officers of the law. She was very obviously trying to evade the law and the directions of the officers, who were telling her to "get out of the f***ing car" (rude).

But merely disobeying orders should not lead to murder.

This was murder.

It's not ICE's first murder. They ARE the Gestapo and they don't care who they kill

Press conference: Mayor Jacob Frey told ICE to “get the f*ck out of Minneapolis.”

Anonymous wrote:Can we all agree that we don't want ICE shooting and killing people? That such a thing is wrong? And we're lucky that more lives weren't lost -- look at how that car careens out of control after the ICE agent killed the driver. Aren't officers trained not to shoot drivers in moving vehicles?

Things need to deescalate, and unfortunately, we don't have an administration that will allow such a thing.

Just don't block ICE agents from their lawful duty.

I still don't understand why the left is so adamant at ICE removing illegal migrants from the US. Every country does this.

Anonymous wrote:I’m wondering what we are going to find out about the woman. I’m surprised there is no name yet.

I’m wondering what we will find out about the murderer and his criminal record.

The video is pretty clear in that she was driving AWAY…

Can we all agree that we don't want ICE shooting and killing people? That such a thing is wrong? And we're lucky that more lives weren't lost -- look at how that car careens out of control after the ICE agent killed the driver. Aren't officers trained not to shoot drivers in moving vehicles?

Things need to deescalate, and unfortunately, we don't have an administration that will allow such a thing.

I’m wondering what we are going to find out about the woman. I’m surprised there is no name yet.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if she was driving towards him (which I don't think was on purpose, she was just trying to get away and he was standing in the street), wouldn't it have taken less time for him to run/dive/jump out of the way than to shoot someone three times so accurately that you hit and kill them immediately?

You Monday morning quarterbacks are HILARIOUS. How many life threatening situations have you been in? Have you ever actually held or fired a gun?

What's your opinion of Ashli Babbitt?

Was she driving away in a car when she was shot?

She was leading a faction of a riotous group through a broken window in the midst of a riot during which over 100 officers had already been hurt.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have only seen one video of the incident.

The woman driver was clearly in the wrong multiple times; once when she intentionally blocked traffic to block ICE vehicles, then when she backed up in an attempt to escape an ICE officer who was holding the inside of her car door to get her out of the car as ordered; then she quickly & carelessly shifted the SUV from reverse to forward and nearly hit an ICE officer crossing in front of her car.

US Supreme Court considers the "totality of the circumstances".

Based on the video that I saw seven times, there is no way that the officer can be charged. It was self defense of himself as well as of others (can use deadly force if threatened with great bodily harm to self or to others).

The victim started this by using her SUV to block ICE agents driving their vehicles. Then she failed to obey an order to move & then refused to get out of the SUV as ordered by another ICS officer whose arm was inside her door attempting to open it to arrest the woman.

Best to obey the instructions / orders of law enforcement officers. Stupid beyond belief to use one's vehicle as a weapon against federal officers.

Thank god for some sanity on this thread. These people screeching about murder have zero clue about the circumstances, watched one video and thought it was plenty of ammunition to lose their sh¡t.
It must be exhausting to be these nutters.

That post isn’t sanity and there is no way either of you are lawyers or have the slightest comprehension of how federal or state case law would apply here.

Anonymous wrote:Plenty of precedent for officers to use lethal force against someone driving a car at them.

Fox news (local affiliate I think) had video (and I was impressed by the news anchors showing it). I've had physical contact from a vehicle at least twice I can think of where the vehicle was going faster than this, for example a woman turning right on red while I was crossing a street with the light, she was on a phone. It was weird because her car pushed at me and somehow I was trying to push back, it sort of pushed me out of the way without me so much as losing my footing (and then she realized what she was doing and yelled an apology out the window). It looks like a one way street, cars parked same direction on both sides of residential street, and Minnesota streets are narrower in the winter than when there is no snow, Tricia says "rioters" but there are just a small number of civilians here and there, no signs, and some may just be from the neighborhood. Looks like she had probably been parked on the street earlier which would mean she would be a local resident. It does NOT look like she is trying to run anyone over, but they are moving to her vehicle as she is maneuvering.

This was a targeted investigation and she was not the target.

You ca see blood on the snow and what looks like a woman bystander leaning into the vehicle to try to help her, and white clothing with blood on in underneath the woman leaning in.

ICE has repeatedly acted with excessive force towards people who have been literal bystanders (like the guy who got pepper sprayed in his face along with his baby trying to leave Sam's Club after realizing ICE was in the area and it was not a good time to shop) and alleged assault from people they have bumped into.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if she was driving towards him (which I don't think was on purpose, she was just trying to get away and he was standing in the street), wouldn't it have taken less time for him to run/dive/jump out of the way than to shoot someone three times so accurately that you hit and kill them immediately?

You Monday morning quarterbacks are HILARIOUS. How many life threatening situations have you been in? Have you ever actually held or fired a gun?

What's your opinion of Ashli Babbitt?

It would have been better if they had just shot all the J6ers like Ashley Babbit.

Yes. There really should have been summary executions on the spot.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have only seen one video of the incident.

The woman driver was clearly in the wrong multiple times; once when she intentionally blocked traffic to block ICE vehicles, then when she backed up in an attempt to escape an ICE officer who was holding the inside of her car door to get her out of the car as ordered; then she quickly & carelessly shifted the SUV from reverse to forward and nearly hit an ICE officer crossing in front of her car.

US Supreme Court considers the "totality of the circumstances".

Based on the video that I saw seven times, there is no way that the officer can be charged. It was self defense of himself as well as of others (can use deadly force if threatened with great bodily harm to self or to others).

The victim started this by using her SUV to block ICE agents driving their vehicles. Then she failed to obey an order to move & then refused to get out of the SUV as ordered by another ICS officer whose arm was inside her door attempting to open it to arrest the woman.

Best to obey the instructions / orders of law enforcement officers. Stupid beyond belief to use one's vehicle as a weapon against federal officers.

The orders were to "move your car" and "get out of the car", which was she supposed to follow? And from the video, you can see he was out of the way of her vehicle BEFORE he fired at her. 3 times.

This is what happens when a bunch of basement dwellers who barely made it through HS are recruited as “law enforcement” with minimal training.

Their orders were unclear and chaotic. They do not have any idea how to deescalate the situation. I hope we have Nuremberg trials for all these scum bags.

Absolutely.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I have only seen one video of the incident.

The woman driver was clearly in the wrong multiple times; once when she intentionally blocked traffic to block ICE vehicles, then when she backed up in an attempt to escape an ICE officer who was holding the inside of her car door to get her out of the car as ordered; then she quickly & carelessly shifted the SUV from reverse to forward and nearly hit an ICE officer crossing in front of her car.

US Supreme Court considers the "totality of the circumstances".

Based on the video that I saw seven times, there is no way that the officer can be charged. It was self defense of himself as well as of others (can use deadly force if threatened with great bodily harm to self or to others).

The victim started this by using her SUV to block ICE agents driving their vehicles. Then she failed to obey an order to move & then refused to get out of the SUV as ordered by another ICS officer whose arm was inside her door attempting to open it to arrest the woman.

Best to obey the instructions / orders of law enforcement officers. Stupid beyond belief to use one's vehicle as a weapon against federal officers.

How is someone who is hit by a car able to shoot three times and hit target?

Was the officer hit by the car ? If so, open & shut case of legal self-defense.

Three shots ? Early reports stated two with one hitting the assailant and killing her.

Anonymous wrote:I have only seen one video of the incident.

The woman driver was clearly in the wrong multiple times; once when she intentionally blocked traffic to block ICE vehicles, then when she backed up in an attempt to escape an ICE officer who was holding the inside of her car door to get her out of the car as ordered; then she quickly & carelessly shifted the SUV from reverse to forward and nearly hit an ICE officer crossing in front of her car.

US Supreme Court considers the "totality of the circumstances".

Based on the video that I saw seven times, there is no way that the officer can be charged. It was self defense of himself as well as of others (can use deadly force if threatened with great bodily harm to self or to others).

The victim started this by using her SUV to block ICE agents driving their vehicles. Then she failed to obey an order to move & then refused to get out of the SUV as ordered by another ICS officer whose arm was inside her door attempting to open it to arrest the woman.

Best to obey the instructions / orders of law enforcement officers. Stupid beyond belief to use one's vehicle as a weapon against federal officers.

Agree.

This is not a close case.

Anonymous wrote:If the female driver had survived this incident, she would have faced multiple charges including assault with a deadly weapons and, possibly,attempted murder.

Nope. She was not trying to run him over. She was trying to get away.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Even if she was driving towards him (which I don't think was on purpose, she was just trying to get away and he was standing in the street), wouldn't it have taken less time for him to run/dive/jump out of the way than to shoot someone three times so accurately that you hit and kill them immediately?

You Monday morning quarterbacks are HILARIOUS. How many life threatening situations have you been in? Have you ever actually held or fired a gun?

What's your opinion of Ashli Babbitt?

What does she have to do with anything here? She was a traitorous twat who got what was coming to her when she tried to lead a group of insurrectionists who wanted to hang Mike Pence in a siege on the Capitol floor. The Minnesota woman was trying to obey orders to leave.