Anonymous wrote:In what world do ECNL bench warmers make MLS 1 teams in the age group they are already bench warmers in? Make that make sense.

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Anonymous wrote:So my August birthday U15, 9th grade son will spend next season as a 10th grader playing with a team of 9th graders and, essentially repeating his U15 season? How does that make sense.

If fact, on an MLS2 team of 18 players my son in the only one with an August or later birthday.

And before anyone asks, the enrollment cutoff in our state is 9/1.

There are 50 states and at least 54 soccer associations under USYS plus the District. Someone will always get shafted. If we begin to understand that the USA does not evolve around our little house, city, county or even our state, we will all be better for it.

My kid is a Q4 and left behind this summer as he was not eligible for middle school camps with his teammates. It was the first time we ever noticed we were behind the rest of the team in grade levels as they are not in the same school. Big whoop.

You folks are making this waaaaay harder than it has to be. Everybody will be in one-year brackets just like it has always been. While the reference is SY, don't confuse the fact that it is a 365-day age bracket just like it has always been. There was always trapped players and there will always be trapped players as long as we have state and county autonomy over school districts. If you are dominating MLS NEXT II, do you really think your club or another club in MLS NEXT I won't notice? If a club is dominating MLS NEXT II and sending players to academies, do you really think they won't have the opportunity to be promoted to MLS NEXT I?

This change is as overrated at the Y2K bug that did not blow up my clock at 12:00am on 1/1/2000.

Yes dominating in MLSN2 will get you nowhere. Plus MLSN1 will be stacked more than ever with Jan through July kids when the bench warmers come over from ECNL. MLSN2 kids wanting more exposure, better competition and coaching should consider ECNL.

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Anonymous wrote:So my August birthday U15, 9th grade son will spend next season as a 10th grader playing with a team of 9th graders and, essentially repeating his U15 season? How does that make sense.

If fact, on an MLS2 team of 18 players my son in the only one with an August or later birthday.

And before anyone asks, the enrollment cutoff in our state is 9/1.

There are 50 states and at least 54 soccer associations under USYS plus the District. Someone will always get shafted. If we begin to understand that the USA does not evolve around our little house, city, county or even our state, we will all be better for it.

My kid is a Q4 and left behind this summer as he was not eligible for middle school camps with his teammates. It was the first time we ever noticed we were behind the rest of the team in grade levels as they are not in the same school. Big whoop.

You folks are making this waaaaay harder than it has to be. Everybody will be in one-year brackets just like it has always been. While the reference is SY, don't confuse the fact that it is a 365-day age bracket just like it has always been. There was always trapped players and there will always be trapped players as long as we have state and county autonomy over school districts. If you are dominating MLS NEXT II, do you really think your club or another club in MLS NEXT I won't notice? If a club is dominating MLS NEXT II and sending players to academies, do you really think they won't have the opportunity to be promoted to MLS NEXT I?

This change is as overrated at the Y2K bug that did not blow up my clock at 12:00am on 1/1/2000.

Anonymous wrote:So my August birthday U15, 9th grade son will spend next season as a 10th grader playing with a team of 9th graders and, essentially repeating his U15 season? How does that make sense.

If fact, on an MLS2 team of 18 players my son in the only one with an August or later birthday.

And before anyone asks, the enrollment cutoff in our state is 9/1.

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Anonymous wrote:So my August birthday U15, 9th grade son will spend next season as a 10th grader playing with a team of 9th graders and, essentially repeating his U15 season? How does that make sense.

If fact, on an MLS2 team of 18 players my son in the only one with an August or later birthday.

And before anyone asks, the enrollment cutoff in our state is 9/1.

Should be looking at on age ECNL. Your kid got lucky, use it, don't blow it.

Anonymous wrote:So my August birthday U15, 9th grade son will spend next season as a 10th grader playing with a team of 9th graders and, essentially repeating his U15 season? How does that make sense.

If fact, on an MLS2 team of 18 players my son in the only one with an August or later birthday.

And before anyone asks, the enrollment cutoff in our state is 9/1.

Anonymous wrote:So my August birthday U15, 9th grade son will spend next season as a 10th grader playing with a team of 9th graders and, essentially repeating his U15 season? How does that make sense.

If fact, on an MLS2 team of 18 players my son in the only one with an August or later birthday.

And before anyone asks, the enrollment cutoff in our state is 9/1.

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think you can be promoted to the 1st team from the 2nd team, you are doing your child a disservice. Your child may not have the habits to develop into a 1st team player but you are selling your child short on the 1st team or bust bandwagon. My kid was no where near a 1st-3rd team baller when we started and we comfortably play MLS Next 1 now.

You obviously don’t have an August-December child. Going from B to A in the same age group is doable, going from B to A and skipping an age group is a totally different situation.

August birthday. After a particular game where he got absolutely bossed in the midfield by bigger kids, we spent 6 months working on his scanning, off the ball movement, turning and learning to play with anticipation to neutralize their size. "You obviously" accept a lot of excuses in your life and look for external circumstances to dictate your life. Now that you are aware of your shortcomings, you have the ability to improve and change for your kids sake. I believe in you. Thank me for your growth on Mother's or Father's Day. #freelifeadvice. You're welcome!

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think you can be promoted to the 1st team from the 2nd team, you are doing your child a disservice. Your child may not have the habits to develop into a 1st team player but you are selling your child short on the 1st team or bust bandwagon. My kid was no where near a 1st-3rd team baller when we started and we comfortably play MLS Next 1 now.

You obviously don’t have an August-December child. Going from B to A in the same age group is doable, going from B to A and skipping an age group is a totally different situation.

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

You’re doing a lot of mental gymnastics to sell promotion in a system with different age cutoffs. Is it possible? Well, my kid isn’t yet 10 so it’s possible for him to be the next Messi. Extremely unlikely, but I guess anything is possible.

Again... (and this is just an example)

MLSN could create a new category called "conversion player" where older SY players are allowed to play down in BY. This would give new SY to BY MLS1 clubs an initial advantage which would age out over time.

Point is theres all kinds of ways MLS can make BY and SY leagues work together. The only real requirement is that MLS1 is considered Tier 1 so theres demand.

So now we have biobanding and conversion players. Why have age groups at all if the majority of the kids on the field are a year older?

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

Sure and that club would then have to deal with 2 registration dates and limit the ability to sell 2nd team kids movement to the first team.

You're literally desperate to make this into a thing

It is pretty obvious that they're an ECNL hat.

Make what into a thing? Pointing out that clubs can barely manage movement with one registration system and thinking it will magically be seamless when it's now further complicated?

I heard technology has come a long way

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Anonymous wrote:So how would it work when the MLS next team is playing in a tournament? For example, mls next team is birth year U14 playing in the Columbia cup. They play against the u14s that are an MLS next to team at a different club that have to play school year. So it’s feasible there would be a full year of difference between the kids if you had one team have mainly older kids and the other team have mainly younger kids in their school year. What would you do in that case? That’s not fair.

Mlsn1 teams won’t play outside tournaments or if they did a u15 BY team would be playing up against a u15 SY team.

Since both leagues are always trying to top each other MLSN1 will have to move to school year at some point, otherwise SY teams will have the advantage at every tournament.

THEY. DON'T. CARE. ABOUT. TOURNAMENT. RESULTS.

They care about developing 1-2 sellable players. At a certain point, you parents will understand development.

MLS 1 is mostly p2p clubs. They don’t care about developing 1-2 players. They also don’t care about outside tournaments but they do care about the neverending headache that this decision will be.

Mls1 p2p is not mls academies.

The BY top tier players will still be better than 2nd tier SY players

Agree, the ECNL parents are doing whatever they can to make it sound like the sky is falling but its not.

Splitting the MLSN Homegrown teams from the P2P teams is something that had to happen. MLS needed a place to park ECNL + other SY teams before they switch to BY MLS. MLS can still do things like MLS2 talent id events that get looked at by MLS1 coaches for providing the pathway to pro.

MLSN2 is officially meaningless now.

Mathis whole thread is meaningless. If you kid is on the younger side that only means he’s getting reps with older players will only strengthen his game.

Grow a sack, dads.

They aren’t though. Aug-December will be playing an age group younger until MLSN officially starts.

Yes! That is the problem! MLSN1 teams will now be stacked even more so with Q1 and Q2 kids. RAE is very real especially with less sophisticated US coaches and the pressure to win with size and speed. The different age cutoffs make Q3 and 4 kids pigeonholed not only to MLSN2 but with younger kids. This regresses their development . Maybe MLsn didn’t think of this or doesn’t care. But clubs parents and kids do care.

Exactly, that's the key.

This is a market, and we parents/players are the customers. For instance, evolution of MLSN2 vs ECNL will be decided by parents/players, who will be discovering their best interest and making decision.

In my case, my son is a 2013 September, starter and top scorer at his MLSN2 team (our club and region doesn't have MLSN1). Now, we are seriously thinking of moving to ECNL. My son is no less technically/tactically talented than anybody in his state, but as a striker he is struggling with studs (Q1 2013 and biobanded 2012s), simply they have developed more testosterone due tu puberty.

That's the only secret of all this discussion: puberty and amount of testosterone (power, speed, resilience) make a difference at these ages.

Why didn't you play ECNL over MLS2 in the first place if your area doesn't have MLS1. I don't know what difference it makes. There's no MLS1 in your area, MLS2 and ECNL are both currently BY, and next season they'll both be SY.

Because all clubs that joined MLSN2 in my area (two states) were told that MLSN2 would be a promotion/relegation pathway for clubs towards MLSN1.

Now, we know it was a lie.

What's changed to for you to believe that an MLSN 2 club can't be promoted to MLSN 1? MLSN 1 and MLSN2 don't compete against each other in league play. If an MLSN 2 club does well enough in league play, why couldn't they be promoted.

Because it wouldn’t be the same kids eligible to be on the team if it was promoted. How do you prove you are good enough if only 5 months of kids would remain on the team? What does doing well in league play matter if 7 months of kids wouldn’t be eligible to be on the team anymore? A good SY team wouldn’t any bearing on how good the team would be at BY.

Except it's club based, not team based. The teams would reassign for BY and probably be fine.

Sure and that club would then have to deal with 2 registration dates and limit the ability to sell 2nd team kids movement to the first team.

You're literally desperate to make this into a thing

It is pretty obvious that they're an ECNL hat.

Make what into a thing? Pointing out that clubs can barely manage movement with one registration system and thinking it will magically be seamless when it's now further complicated?

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Anonymous wrote:If you don't think you can be promoted to the 1st team from the 2nd team, you are doing your child a disservice. Your child may not have the habits to develop into a 1st team player but you are selling your child short on the 1st team or bust bandwagon. My kid was no where near a 1st-3rd team baller when we started and we comfortably play MLS Next 1 now.

You obviously don’t have an August-December child. Going from B to A in the same age group is doable, going from B to A and skipping an age group is a totally different situation.

Ive never seen a player who could do this at a top club without political BS or money changing hands.