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Anonymous wrote:It's always been weird to me that people say WASP with the exclusion of Bowdoin, when Bowdoin is every bit as good as those

Bowdoin bounces around. I believe it’s been in the top 4 before, but then bumped up around in the 6-7 range. USNews didn’t change the methodology much this year after Morse retired. Wait until a year when they mix things up again.

No, it hasn't. It wouldn't surprise me if that changes in the coming years, but that's why it's never been WASP-B before. Now I think it's up for debate!

Bowdoin was 5 last year. No change. Others moved up or down quite significantly.

Pomona was tied with Bowdoin last year but it moved down to the group tied at 7 this year. These are very small meaningless changes.

Why is Pomona dropping? It is more competitive than ever, endowment is performing on par with everyone else, financial aid is as generous as ever…is it simply just a quirk of USNEWs this year?

+1, there’s something going on at the school. Maybe financial?

Lollll. It isn’t “dropping.” It’s in top 5, not including service academies, same as last year. The idea there’s a meaningful difference in its tying for 5th (with Bowdoin last year) and tying for 7th (after a service academy at 6th this year) is ludicrous. What IS notable is that 3 of the 5 Claremont colleges are now in the top 10. When you go to any of these schools (Pomona, Harvey Mudd, Claremont McKenna), you have the benefit of single social world that is significantly larger (and thus more fun, with more connections) than any of the other top LACs by themselves. The consortium is really doing well and offers a really unique, attractive experience.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

Your kid will not get into Williams/Amherst without a hook.

My kid’s paid college advisor told us that every year there are about 50-75 unhooked spots at each of these two schools. And about 15,000 applications at each. So what I’m telling you is, there IS a chance! LoL.

I call bs on those numbers - that simply can’t be true

250 athletes (50 percent), 75-100 Posse, other FGLIs and geographic diversity, 75-100 relevant legacies and other VIPs.

Neither Williams or Posse students to posse and posse isn’t even FGLI; it’s a merit scholarship. And no liberal arts college accepts more than about 20 or so posse scholars a year. Williams has not released an official number of legacies or vips, and similar liberal arts colleges have no where near 75 students in a single class at legacy (peer CMC only gave admission to 15 legacy students: https://tsl.news/5c-students-weigh-in-as-california-ends-legacy-admissions/amp/). So you’ve just made up a bunch of crap.

So out of 15,000 applications and 50 percent athletes and 25 percent FGLI (FG and/or LI) and a class enrollment of ~500, exactly how many unhooked spots are there?

Way more than you’re willing to admit.

Seriously, offer up a number if you don’t agree with mine. My daughter was heavily recruited for a sport at Amherst but passed and ended up at an Ivy. My next child looked at the school during that time and loved it. Better grades and test scores than the older but we realized she could not get in and in fact our school’s Naviance scattergram showed no one had ever gotten in without a sport. Our school does not have FGLI kids but it can produce athletes. I had no idea how selective it was until I took that deep dive.

So what is your number?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

Your kid will not get into Williams/Amherst without a hook.

My kid’s paid college advisor told us that every year there are about 50-75 unhooked spots at each of these two schools. And about 15,000 applications at each. So what I’m telling you is, there IS a chance! LoL.

I call bs on those numbers - that simply can’t be true

250 athletes (50 percent), 75-100 Posse, other FGLIs and geographic diversity, 75-100 relevant legacies and other VIPs.

Neither Williams or Posse students to posse and posse isn’t even FGLI; it’s a merit scholarship. And no liberal arts college accepts more than about 20 or so posse scholars a year. Williams has not released an official number of legacies or vips, and similar liberal arts colleges have no where near 75 students in a single class at legacy (peer CMC only gave admission to 15 legacy students: https://tsl.news/5c-students-weigh-in-as-california-ends-legacy-admissions/amp/). So you’ve just made up a bunch of crap.

So out of 15,000 applications and 50 percent athletes and 25 percent FGLI (FG and/or LI) and a class enrollment of ~500, exactly how many unhooked spots are there?

Way more than you’re willing to admit.

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Anonymous wrote:The real bargain is Grinnell. Excellent school that automatically gives $20k in merit aid to any student accepted ED and typically awards even more. Many are turned off by the location, but it's not like the other top LACs are in or near major metropolitan areas either. Our kid from the DMV attended and loved it.

Pomona, Wellesley, Barnard, Davidson…

Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury

I was specifically pointing out the LACs with locations near major metropolitan areas.

Duh. Very typical of DCUM. I never meant to suggest that none of the top LACs are near metropolitan areas. Obviously some are -- as you couldn't wait to jump up and prove me wrong. My point was meant to be more general. Grinnell is almost uniquely discounted for its rural location.

The only LACs that can truly take advantage of their urban locations (within 15-ish minute drive of downtown) are Macalester, Occidental and maybe Reed. Mac and Oxy kids can hop over downtown to do internships in between classes the way the DC kids can at American or GW.

DD is at Pomona and they take advantage of LA all the time. I really doubt that students choosing to live near a major metropolitan go 4 years ignoring it.

Pomona (in Claremont) is 1 hour away from LA same as Carleton (in Northfield) is 1 hour away from Minneapolis. Yes they can take advantage of being an hour out from a city from time to time, but by no means are either in "urban" locations where they can be in the middle of the city within 15 minutes. C'mon now.

My kid goes all the time. It’s a direct train to LA. oxy isn’t even in a nice area of LA- it’s going to take you an hour from oxy to get somewhere decent that isn’t silver lake and even that is an annoying bus ride.

If you’re allergic to long trips, LA isn’t for you, but there are nearly weekly trips from Claremont to LA, and students now have direct access to Pasadena due to the A line extension.

This ideas that Claremont students don’t go to LA often is strange. Pomona used to do challenges where students had to go to LA. This may blow your mind, but tens of thousands of people commute to LA everyday from the IE. it’s not exactly a harrowing journey.

I have worked in LA so my mind is hardly blown. I was responding to a comment about LACs in urban locations. No one has ever called Claremont suburbs an urban location. Oxy is in Los Angeles, is 15 minutes by car from Pasadena and 15-20 minutes by car from DTLA. 5Cs just are not. Of course they go to LA sometimes but not 1-2x/daily for interviews or internships. My kid has friends at both schools. I currently live in CA and have visited both campuses multiple times.

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Anonymous wrote:The real bargain is Grinnell. Excellent school that automatically gives $20k in merit aid to any student accepted ED and typically awards even more. Many are turned off by the location, but it's not like the other top LACs are in or near major metropolitan areas either. Our kid from the DMV attended and loved it.

Pomona, Wellesley, Barnard, Davidson…

Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury

I was specifically pointing out the LACs with locations near major metropolitan areas.

Duh. Very typical of DCUM. I never meant to suggest that none of the top LACs are near metropolitan areas. Obviously some are -- as you couldn't wait to jump up and prove me wrong. My point was meant to be more general. Grinnell is almost uniquely discounted for its rural location.

The only LACs that can truly take advantage of their urban locations (within 15-ish minute drive of downtown) are Macalester, Occidental and maybe Reed. Mac and Oxy kids can hop over downtown to do internships in between classes the way the DC kids can at American or GW.

DD is at Pomona and they take advantage of LA all the time. I really doubt that students choosing to live near a major metropolitan go 4 years ignoring it.

Pomona (in Claremont) is 1 hour away from LA same as Carleton (in Northfield) is 1 hour away from Minneapolis. Yes they can take advantage of being an hour out from a city from time to time, but by no means are either in "urban" locations where they can be in the middle of the city within 15 minutes. C'mon now.

My kid goes all the time. It’s a direct train to LA. oxy isn’t even in a nice area of LA- it’s going to take you an hour from oxy to get somewhere decent that isn’t silver lake and even that is an annoying bus ride.

If you’re allergic to long trips, LA isn’t for you, but there are nearly weekly trips from Claremont to LA, and students now have direct access to Pasadena due to the A line extension.

This ideas that Claremont students don’t go to LA often is strange. Pomona used to do challenges where students had to go to LA. This may blow your mind, but tens of thousands of people commute to LA everyday from the IE. it’s not exactly a harrowing journey.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

Your kid will not get into Williams/Amherst without a hook.

My kid’s paid college advisor told us that every year there are about 50-75 unhooked spots at each of these two schools. And about 15,000 applications at each. So what I’m telling you is, there IS a chance! LoL.

I call bs on those numbers - that simply can’t be true

250 athletes (50 percent), 75-100 Posse, other FGLIs and geographic diversity, 75-100 relevant legacies and other VIPs.

Neither Williams or Posse students to posse and posse isn’t even FGLI; it’s a merit scholarship. And no liberal arts college accepts more than about 20 or so posse scholars a year. Williams has not released an official number of legacies or vips, and similar liberal arts colleges have no where near 75 students in a single class at legacy (peer CMC only gave admission to 15 legacy students: https://tsl.news/5c-students-weigh-in-as-california-ends-legacy-admissions/amp/). So you’ve just made up a bunch of crap.

So out of 15,000 applications and 50 percent athletes and 25 percent FGLI (FG and/or LI) and a class enrollment of ~500, exactly how many unhooked spots are there?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

Your kid will not get into Williams/Amherst without a hook.

My kid’s paid college advisor told us that every year there are about 50-75 unhooked spots at each of these two schools. And about 15,000 applications at each. So what I’m telling you is, there IS a chance! LoL.

I call bs on those numbers - that simply can’t be true

250 athletes (50 percent), 75-100 Posse, other FGLIs and geographic diversity, 75-100 relevant legacies and other VIPs.

Neither Williams or Posse students to posse and posse isn’t even FGLI; it’s a merit scholarship. And no liberal arts college accepts more than about 20 or so posse scholars a year. Williams has not released an official number of legacies or vips, and similar liberal arts colleges have no where near 75 students in a single class at legacy (peer CMC only gave admission to 15 legacy students: https://tsl.news/5c-students-weigh-in-as-california-ends-legacy-admissions/amp/). So you’ve just made up a bunch of crap.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

Your kid will not get into Williams/Amherst without a hook.

My kid’s paid college advisor told us that every year there are about 50-75 unhooked spots at each of these two schools. And about 15,000 applications at each. So what I’m telling you is, there IS a chance! LoL.

I call bs on those numbers - that simply can’t be true

250 athletes (50 percent), 75-100 Posse, other FGLIs and geographic diversity, 75-100 relevant legacies and other VIPs.

amherst was one of the first to eliminate the legacy benefit

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Anonymous wrote:The real bargain is Grinnell. Excellent school that automatically gives $20k in merit aid to any student accepted ED and typically awards even more. Many are turned off by the location, but it's not like the other top LACs are in or near major metropolitan areas either. Our kid from the DMV attended and loved it.

Pomona, Wellesley, Barnard, Davidson…

Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury

I was specifically pointing out the LACs with locations near major metropolitan areas.

Duh. Very typical of DCUM. I never meant to suggest that none of the top LACs are near metropolitan areas. Obviously some are -- as you couldn't wait to jump up and prove me wrong. My point was meant to be more general. Grinnell is almost uniquely discounted for its rural location.

The only LACs that can truly take advantage of their urban locations (within 15-ish minute drive of downtown) are Macalester, Occidental and maybe Reed. Mac and Oxy kids can hop over downtown to do internships in between classes the way the DC kids can at American or GW.

DD is at Pomona and they take advantage of LA all the time. I really doubt that students choosing to live near a major metropolitan go 4 years ignoring it.

Pomona (in Claremont) is 1 hour away from LA same as Carleton (in Northfield) is 1 hour away from Minneapolis. Yes they can take advantage of being an hour out from a city from time to time, but by no means are either in "urban" locations where they can be in the middle of the city within 15 minutes. C'mon now.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

I agree. I have lived and worked abroad and no one in London, Middle East, Brussels or Paris seems to have heard of Pomona, Carleton, Haverford, Grinnell, Middlebury, CMC or Scripps. They have definitely heard of Williams and Wellesley.

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Anonymous wrote:The real bargain is Grinnell. Excellent school that automatically gives $20k in merit aid to any student accepted ED and typically awards even more. Many are turned off by the location, but it's not like the other top LACs are in or near major metropolitan areas either. Our kid from the DMV attended and loved it.

Pomona, Wellesley, Barnard, Davidson…

Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury

I was specifically pointing out the LACs with locations near major metropolitan areas.

Duh. Very typical of DCUM. I never meant to suggest that none of the top LACs are near metropolitan areas. Obviously some are -- as you couldn't wait to jump up and prove me wrong. My point was meant to be more general. Grinnell is almost uniquely discounted for its rural location.

The only LACs that can truly take advantage of their urban locations (within 15-ish minute drive of downtown) are Macalester, Occidental and maybe Reed. Mac and Oxy kids can hop over downtown to do internships in between classes the way the DC kids can at American or GW.

DD is at Pomona and they take advantage of LA all the time. I really doubt that students choosing to live near a major metropolitan go 4 years ignoring it.

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Anonymous wrote:The real bargain is Grinnell. Excellent school that automatically gives $20k in merit aid to any student accepted ED and typically awards even more. Many are turned off by the location, but it's not like the other top LACs are in or near major metropolitan areas either. Our kid from the DMV attended and loved it.

Pomona, Wellesley, Barnard, Davidson…

Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury

I was specifically pointing out the LACs with locations near major metropolitan areas.

Duh. Very typical of DCUM. I never meant to suggest that none of the top LACs are near metropolitan areas. Obviously some are -- as you couldn't wait to jump up and prove me wrong. My point was meant to be more general. Grinnell is almost uniquely discounted for its rural location.

The only LACs that can truly take advantage of their urban locations (within 15-ish minute drive of downtown) are Macalester, Occidental and maybe Reed. Mac and Oxy kids can hop over downtown to do internships in between classes the way the DC kids can at American or GW.

Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

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Anonymous wrote:I’m a huge believer and proponent of the SLAC model, but really do worry that name recognition will be a handicap throughout life. The exceptions are probably limited to only Williams and Amherst imo, and unfortunately those will be a crapshoot for my unhooked high stats kid. Do either of those schools try to yield protect during RD by rejecting ivy-looking kids? May call me myopic or narrow minded, but I’ve told him those are the only 2 SLACs he can apply to

Your kid will not get into Williams/Amherst without a hook.

My kid’s paid college advisor told us that every year there are about 50-75 unhooked spots at each of these two schools. And about 15,000 applications at each. So what I’m telling you is, there IS a chance! LoL.

I call bs on those numbers - that simply can’t be true

250 athletes (50 percent), 75-100 Posse, other FGLIs and geographic diversity, 75-100 relevant legacies and other VIPs.

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Anonymous wrote:The real bargain is Grinnell. Excellent school that automatically gives $20k in merit aid to any student accepted ED and typically awards even more. Many are turned off by the location, but it's not like the other top LACs are in or near major metropolitan areas either. Our kid from the DMV attended and loved it.

Pomona, Wellesley, Barnard, Davidson…

Carleton, Williams, Amherst, Middlebury

I was specifically pointing out the LACs with locations near major metropolitan areas.

Duh. Very typical of DCUM. I never meant to suggest that none of the top LACs are near metropolitan areas. Obviously some are -- as you couldn't wait to jump up and prove me wrong. My point was meant to be more general. Grinnell is almost uniquely discounted for its rural location.