I think 2 days a week telework is reasonable. Why do you need 5 days in office when the job can be down at home?

I’m so pissed every day that we can’t strike. A good strike would fix all of this. Americans have no idea how much feds touch their every day life. They eliminated our unions, we should have the ability to strike.

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Anonymous wrote:When I get worn down from RTO or anything else at work, I think "300 people who got RIFd from here would love to have this problem".

Would you please stop with this? I understand being grateful for a job but if your entire schedule and eventual health issues are dictated by a CEO interested in a who has the biggest dick contest and wants people in the office, I would be pissed.

I think 300 people who got RIFFed from here are all ahead of me in finding other jobs.

Who wants to work hard in jobs when you have seen hundreds of coworkers RiFFed for no good reason. I know I may be next, so best to put more time into finding another job.

Why is this a race to the bottom? Why can’t we all take a step back and take a bird’s eye view on this issue, and what it represents for all us collectively? It is true that not everyone can enjoy the benefits of WFH, but we as a society benefit as a whole when we allow parents some breathing room where we can. Sometimes the benefits can be indirect (less traffic, road rage, environmental impact), but the benefit to children, their mental health and wellbeing is something we all benefit from. A society that supports families yields benefits for all. I think a lot of what’s wrong with our society stems from this win-lose mentality. If it doesn’t hurt you why are you all up in arms about it?

I know of no one working a white collar job (that doesn’t involve customer-facing responsibilities or classified info etc) that is required to go in 5 days a week, aside from federal employees.

All the studies say it reduced productivity— it’a just meant to make things unpleasant, not anything else.

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Anonymous wrote:When I get worn down from RTO or anything else at work, I think "300 people who got RIFd from here would love to have this problem".

Would you please stop with this? I understand being grateful for a job but if your entire schedule and eventual health issues are dictated by a CEO interested in a who has the biggest dick contest and wants people in the office, I would be pissed.

You have to prioritize things. Is money worth more to you than your health? If your work negatively affects your health, then what is the point of working at all?

Different poster. Jobs are not easy to get. So, just up and getting a new job is not easy nor is moving as its very expensive and uproots kids. I'm not pulling my HS student out of their school and activities for a commute. I'm not spending what $50-100K or more to move either given jobs come and go and my spouse could get next job in VA, MD or DC. So, what happens then, we move again? And, again as some of these tech jobs only last a few years.

My spouse was wfh before covid. They only recently had to start going in.

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Anonymous wrote:When I get worn down from RTO or anything else at work, I think "300 people who got RIFd from here would love to have this problem".

Would you please stop with this? I understand being grateful for a job but if your entire schedule and eventual health issues are dictated by a CEO interested in a who has the biggest dick contest and wants people in the office, I would be pissed.

The CEO's and higher ups are making millions. They live close in, have housekeepers, nannies, private schools, and possibly even drivers. Big life style difference to someone making $200K or less.

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Anonymous wrote:If teachers were being given punitive directives in order to get them to quit -- not even from their principals but from district leadership that wanted to sole source/privatize their jobs -- I would also object to that.

If teachers had their unions destroyed to force them to work in conditions that were not part of their bargaining agreement, they would object.

Or they can come into DCUM and be shitty to fed workers.

Or Fed workers can learn not to be tone deaf and realize that they still have a job if they are going in.

The next step is RIFs. But if they can get people to leave more cheaply and with fewer opportunities for lawsuits, they'd prefer that. This is not about your personal class resentment drama.

I have no resentment towards federal workers. I think this administration is absolutely abhorrent. But on this one particular issue of simply going back into the office, you're not getting much sympathy from me since most people have to go in as well. We can talk about all of those other issues if you like, but you need to realize that you're not going to get much sympathy for whining about having to go into the office.

DP. And you need to understand that for some people, there is nothing simple about going “back” to the office. I am now commuting to an office 40 miles away (all the way into DC and all the way out in the other direction) where I never worked before, not because I moved, but because I accepted a fully remote position where if I’d known this would happen I would have stayed at my old job even for less money. And it is wreaking havoc on my health and my life. Not simply getting on a bus or train and arriving at the office in 25-30 minutes. I don’t know anyone complaining just because of having to go back to the office. I’m complaining because this commute has completely destroyed my work life balance, my health, and turned my kids lives upside down. For no good reason.

I am looking for a new job but if you knew anything, you’d know that isn’t “simple” either.

Anonymous wrote:Oh poor you.
Say the rest of us who’ve been working in person all along. Sorry I don’t sympathize.

I worked in person (a Fed) before, during and since the pandemic. Doesn't mean I want everybody else to be forced to RTO. What kind of person is that nasty that you can't sympathize with someone else. Is this because this is an anonymous forum, where you can speak your innermost thoughts and noone else will know what kind of an awful person you are?

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Anonymous wrote:When I get worn down from RTO or anything else at work, I think "300 people who got RIFd from here would love to have this problem".

Would you please stop with this? I understand being grateful for a job but if your entire schedule and eventual health issues are dictated by a CEO interested in a who has the biggest dick contest and wants people in the office, I would be pissed.

You have to prioritize things. Is money worth more to you than your health? If your work negatively affects your health, then what is the point of working at all?

Anonymous wrote:When I get worn down from RTO or anything else at work, I think "300 people who got RIFd from here would love to have this problem".

Would you please stop with this? I understand being grateful for a job but if your entire schedule and eventual health issues are dictated by a CEO interested in a who has the biggest dick contest and wants people in the office, I would be pissed.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

Tell that to my husband who has to work this Saturday, after traveling Sun-Wed and working late today and tomorrow. Deadlines exist in the federal government too. Id love it if my husband had off every Friday or EO Friday. Thatd be the dream...but thats what it is, a dream. Reality is most feds work and when they arent at work they use their leave, which is a benefit most white-collar jobs have so its not like they get the world here hun.

I work on the weekends too. And I go in 4-5 days. I'm not sure why you think you're special.

I was addressing the Fridays off you bitter hag. 😒
I'll never understand the miserable people who accept misery and then also want it for others.
Most of the world manages just fine without this type of working system and gasp (!) most employers without toxic work environments are successful too!

Sure you were 🙄🙄🙄

And you sound so happy and well adjusted. It’s really showing.

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Anonymous wrote:It isn’t accurate that most white color workers go into the office 5 days a week.

Neither do most of the federal workers. Most of them get every other Friday off or even every Friday.

Tell that to my husband who has to work this Saturday, after traveling Sun-Wed and working late today and tomorrow. Deadlines exist in the federal government too. Id love it if my husband had off every Friday or EO Friday. Thatd be the dream...but thats what it is, a dream. Reality is most feds work and when they arent at work they use their leave, which is a benefit most white-collar jobs have so its not like they get the world here hun.

I work on the weekends too. And I go in 4-5 days. I'm not sure why you think you're special.

I was addressing the Fridays off you bitter hag. 😒
I'll never understand the miserable people who accept misery and then also want it for others.
Most of the world manages just fine without this type of working system and gasp (!) most employers without toxic work environments are successful too!