Anonymous
04/24/2025 12:47
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
That 'leverage' goes both ways. The US is saving money by not imprisoning them in America.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Declare that the US won’t use their prisons anymore. Obviously the US has leverage. Will they use it?
Anonymous
04/24/2025 12:46
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Why do you think the plaintiff's lawyers agreed to a week stay in discovery even though the judge was about to hold the government in contempt, and she has been backed up by the appellate and Supreme Court at every turn? You might want to think through what's going on before doubling down on your stupid.
Any Lawyer and any Court in the USA can say and rule whatever they want but again, what authority do they have if El Salvador says no?
As stated earlier, if an El Salvador court rules the USA must send his Wife to El Salvador, are we obligated to send her?
I can agree mistakes were made, I can agree courts have ruled, but now that he is IN El Salvador, we have no power over what they do with their citizen. That's not "stupid" that is a fact. Thinking the USA can force any other country to send their citizen here is "doubling down on stupid"
DP. Do you realize that you’re making the argument for why these renditions should not be allowed under the AEA???
Thanks!
Now, as for how to fix this error: we CAN ask and we CAN engage in diplomatic activity to pressure ES to return the man. They’ll comply, they have no reason not to. Can’t guarantee it however, which is why the process the administration followed is unconstitutional if not criminal.
And if they say no, then what?
Anonymous
04/24/2025 11:56
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Why do you think the plaintiff's lawyers agreed to a week stay in discovery even though the judge was about to hold the government in contempt, and she has been backed up by the appellate and Supreme Court at every turn? You might want to think through what's going on before doubling down on your stupid.
Any Lawyer and any Court in the USA can say and rule whatever they want but again, what authority do they have if El Salvador says no?
As stated earlier, if an El Salvador court rules the USA must send his Wife to El Salvador, are we obligated to send her?
I can agree mistakes were made, I can agree courts have ruled, but now that he is IN El Salvador, we have no power over what they do with their citizen. That's not "stupid" that is a fact. Thinking the USA can force any other country to send their citizen here is "doubling down on stupid"
Despite protestations by the government there is a written agreement somewhere. And I would be surprised (though not very given the brain trust in this Administration) if there were no clause in that agreement addressing mistakes. We already know from the hearings on this the agreement is for 1 year or until the US informs El Salvador of the ultimate disposition of the individual handed over to El Salvador's custody. So Trump should inform El Salvador, right?
But assumiong you are 100% correct, the consequence is that ALL deportation using the AEA will be prohibited. It will be jheld to be an unconstitutional law.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 11:52
Subject: Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Some of these MAGA tea party descendants would be surprised to know that John Adams defended British soldiers after the Boston massacre… because due process.
It’s our founding principle. We aren’t going to let this dictator take it from us.
It’s our founding principle. We aren’t going to let this dictator take it from us.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 11:50
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Why do you think the plaintiff's lawyers agreed to a week stay in discovery even though the judge was about to hold the government in contempt, and she has been backed up by the appellate and Supreme Court at every turn? You might want to think through what's going on before doubling down on your stupid.
Any Lawyer and any Court in the USA can say and rule whatever they want but again, what authority do they have if El Salvador says no?
As stated earlier, if an El Salvador court rules the USA must send his Wife to El Salvador, are we obligated to send her?
I can agree mistakes were made, I can agree courts have ruled, but now that he is IN El Salvador, we have no power over what they do with their citizen. That's not "stupid" that is a fact. Thinking the USA can force any other country to send their citizen here is "doubling down on stupid"
DP. Do you realize that you’re making the argument for why these renditions should not be allowed under the AEA???
Thanks!
Now, as for how to fix this error: we CAN ask and we CAN engage in diplomatic activity to pressure ES to return the man. They’ll comply, they have no reason not to. Can’t guarantee it however, which is why the process the administration followed is unconstitutional if not criminal.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 11:47
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Why do you think the plaintiff's lawyers agreed to a week stay in discovery even though the judge was about to hold the government in contempt, and she has been backed up by the appellate and Supreme Court at every turn? You might want to think through what's going on before doubling down on your stupid.
Any Lawyer and any Court in the USA can say and rule whatever they want but again, what authority do they have if El Salvador says no?
As stated earlier, if an El Salvador court rules the USA must send his Wife to El Salvador, are we obligated to send her?
I can agree mistakes were made, I can agree courts have ruled, but now that he is IN El Salvador, we have no power over what they do with their citizen. That's not "stupid" that is a fact. Thinking the USA can force any other country to send their citizen here is "doubling down on stupid"
Anonymous
04/24/2025 11:36
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
She has said that they have since reconciled. Do you think she's a liar? Does it matter? He is no angel but that's not the point. Good people have the right to due process. Bad people, even and especially bad people, have the right to due process. All people must receive due process, in our country.
Anonymous
Anonymous
04/24/2025 10:04
Subject: Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
And another judge orders a return. A radical lefts appointed by that commie . . . DONALD J. TRUMP.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-appointed-judge-orders-return-venezuelan-migrant-deported-el-sal-rcna202748?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=680a4068a9319b0001068c41&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/trump-appointed-judge-orders-return-venezuelan-migrant-deported-el-sal-rcna202748?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=680a4068a9319b0001068c41&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter
Anonymous
04/24/2025 09:06
Subject: Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
The Trump administration's application of the Alien Enemies Act to justify its rendition of deportees to El Salvador rests on shaky legal and constitutional ground. If our system of laws holds, the Trump administration will FAFO when it comes to upholding the supposed legality of their actions.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 08:56
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Trump can ask and use whatever means are available pursuant to the agreement with El Salvador that set this profanity up in the first place. And Trump had really better hope that he can succeed. Why? Because the Administration has admitted to a mistake. If it turns out that mistake is irremediable, it is highly likely the entire statute is ruled unconstitutional since due process mistakes will lead to irreparable harm and given this case, the likelihood of that harm being remote is zero.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 08:32
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Why do you think the plaintiff's lawyers agreed to a week stay in discovery even though the judge was about to hold the government in contempt, and she has been backed up by the appellate and Supreme Court at every turn? You might want to think through what's going on before doubling down on your stupid.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 08:19
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Declare that the US won’t use their prisons anymore. Obviously the US has leverage. Will they use it?
I'm the PP the PP was responding to. Absolutely the US has leverage:
1) As of 2023, approximately 2.6 million people of Salvadoran origin reside in the United States, representing about 0.78% of the total U.S. population. This includes both individuals born in El Salvador and those born in the U.S. to Salvadoran parents. Notably, this diaspora accounts for roughly 40% of El Salvador's total population of around 6.3 million. --> Since 40% of El Salvador's diaspora resides in the US, you better believe that the US has a big influence on the government of El Salvador.
2) As of 2023, remittances accounted for approximately 24.1% of El Salvador's Gross Domestic Product (GDP), totaling $8.2 billion. Notably, about 94% of these remittances originated from Salvadorans residing in the United States. --> Similarly, since almost a quarter of El Salvador's GDP comes from remittances from Salvadorans in the US, you better believe that the US has influence on Bukele.
3) As of early 2025, approximately 234,000 Salvadorans residing in the United States are beneficiaries of Temporary Protected Status (TPS). TPS provides temporary legal status and work authorization to individuals from countries experiencing extraordinary conditions, such as natural disasters or armed conflict, that prevent safe return. The TPS designation for El Salvador was initially granted in 2001 following devastating earthquakes. Since then, it has been extended multiple times. The most recent extension, announced by the Department of Homeland Security, allows Salvadoran TPS holders to remain in the U.S. through September 9, 2026. --> When TPS for Salvadorans comes up for renewal, the US government can end it, arguing that conditions have improved enough to allow safe return (the basis for which TPS is supposed to end for a certain group of people). I'm betting Trump has promised Bukele he will not do this if Bukele supports him on the plan to imprison US deportees in Salvadoran prisons because returning 234,000 Salvadorans on TPS to El Salvador will cause a huge drop in remissions to El Salvador.
Anonymous
04/24/2025 08:07
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Declare that the US won’t use their prisons anymore. Obviously the US has leverage. Will they use it?
You’re ok forcing a country to send a citizen to another country by any means necessary?
Anonymous
04/24/2025 08:04
Subject: Re:Trump colludes with foreign dictator to keep innocent man in jail, solely to prove that Trump is above the law.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
We can ponder it all we want but we can not grab someone from another country no matter what any US Court says.
Reverse it, assume an El Salvador court rules we need to send his Wife to El Salvador, what’s your reply to them?
I mean, I've seen lots of these sorts of posts. Do you really believe this? It's not just trolling? You think that somehow, when we send someone to a prison in another country, that we are paying for, that those people just vanish and can never be retrieved? What a strange world you live in, that the United States is powerless to fix admitted mistakes because ... waves hands ... El Salvador.
Do you really believe we have the authority to demand a country send one of their people to the USA? If El Salvador refuses to send him here, what’s our plan?
DP. I believe it's as simple as Trump picking up the phone and calling Bukele--or having one of his lackeys do it for him.
Bukele has already said he’s not sending him back, but ok, assume a call, and the say no. What’s the plan? Go take him?
Declare that the US won’t use their prisons anymore. Obviously the US has leverage. Will they use it?