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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

Wow. It sure sounds like no one has asked him yet!

“The question is preposterous,” Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday, where he was welcomed by Trump and spoke with the president and members of his cabinet. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I’m not going to do it.”

He added: “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States”

Supreme Court, Trump is spitting on the Constitution and you. How are you letting this happen???

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

Wow. It sure sounds like no one has asked him yet!

“The question is preposterous,” Nayib Bukele said in the Oval Office on Monday, where he was welcomed by Trump and spoke with the president and members of his cabinet. “How can I smuggle a terrorist into the United States? I’m not going to do it.”

He added: “I don’t have the power to return him to the United States”

Supreme Court, Trump is spitting on the Constitution and you. How are you letting this happen???

It would be funny if they released him and he snuck in again and then got deported back lol

He's back home and they can celebrate him by releasing

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

The Supreme Court said 9-0 to get him back here and give him due process.

9-0

If the Supreme Court of El Salvador ruled 9-0 to send a US Citizen to El Salvador, what power does that hold?

Who the eff cares? That is totally irrelevant to this situation.

This is all the more reason the courts need to ensure 100% that someone being "deported" has their due process, so a situation like this doesn't happen again.

Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

He said he wouldn't just send him back on his own, or let him go. He is not imprisoning him for committing a crime in El Salvador, he is imprisoning him on behalf of the US. If the US asks for him back, he will return him.

This isn't hard. MAGA are just trying to pretend that it's hard so they won't have to expect anything from their ineffectual president.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

NP. Do you genuinely think that if Trump asked for him back the president of El Salvador would say no? Clearly Trump has asked him to say no. We could get him back the same way we get hostages back. We negotiate. We screwed up by sending him there so now we need to offer something to get him back. This isn’t complicated to understand, which makes me think you’re intentionally not understanding.

It show that Trump is either very weak or very craven (or both)

This is very deliberate by the administration. They want carte blanche to be able to send anyone they don’t like to an horrific El Salvadoran prison. ALL US citizens should be terrified that they want this power.

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Anonymous wrote:Isn't he back home

No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

NP. Do you genuinely think that if Trump asked for him back the president of El Salvador would say no? Clearly Trump has asked him to say no. We could get him back the same way we get hostages back. We negotiate. We screwed up by sending him there so now we need to offer something to get him back. This isn’t complicated to understand, which makes me think you’re intentionally not understanding.

It show that Trump is either very weak or very craven (or both)

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

I didn't. I proposed jailing the "client". Or perhaps expanding Bivens and permitting him to sue those 4 personally. A judgement of 100 million against each of them might discourage future Trumpian orclets from smashing the constitution.

By the time that case is heard and adjudicated, any of the litigants will have long since vanished in el salvador.

Anonymous wrote:Trump is making a mockery of the Supreme Court

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Anonymous wrote:And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

Sigh. Trump and Bukele are friends. They are in this together. There is no need for diplomacy like in a hostage situation when you are on the same team! And OF COURSE they are on the same wavelength with their messaging.

I really never know if you are sheep who believe anything you hear or if you just think the rest of us are dumb.

And here it is - President of El Salvador says he will not return Garcia.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/trump-administration/president-el-salvador-wont-return-deported-man-kilmar-abrego-garcia-rcna201136

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

He doesn't need to be "grabbed", he would return voluntarily

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No, cutie, he isn't.

DP. Yes he is. He is a citizen of El Salvador, currently residing in…… wait for it…. El Salvador.

I wish more of you understood the constitution. Maybe read 20 minutes a night. Understand what a group of immigrants wrote in 1787, one of the most stable constitutions in modern history. This administration has shown how important it is.

I do understand the constitution. If he was a US Citizen, he’d have rights under it. He’s not, his bid for asylum was denied.

Stop parroting bullshit.

It’s not difficult to read the Bill of Rights to see which rights are for citizens, and which rights are for everyone on US soil. If you’re having trouble understanding the definition of “person,” you could also read the Supreme Court decision on this from last week. 9-0 said these non citizens have due process rights.

Not really full rights are for citizens the other people are subjective, however this man is not on us soil so there are no US rights for him even if illegals have any

He was erroneously removed from US soil. Let's bring him here to US soil and then we can debate which rights he gets and which he doesn't.

He wouldn't qualify to come back to the US as phoney asylum was removed from countries like El Salvador which have the safest crime rates after the crack down on gangs. The idea someone should get asylum because of local crime is wild.

The idea that you can avoid due process by sneaking someone over the border is wild.

Constitution rights can be annoying. That doesn't mean you get to skip the ones you don't like, though.

As a Citizen of El Salvador, what rights does he have under the US Constitution? What rights do YOU have in El Salvador under their constitution?

Non-citizens have rights under our US Constitution. The Supreme Court has ruled on this many, many times.

https://libertarianinstitute.org/articles/constitutional-rights-noncitizens/

Should a noncitizen be charged with a crime, he has exactly the same Fifth and Sixth Amendment procedural rights as a citizen, including the right to a jury trial, the right to counsel, and protection against self-incrimination. If convicted, the Eighth Amendment prevents the government from subjecting aliens to “cruel and unusual punishment” in exactly the same ways as it does with citizens.

https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/what-constitutional-rights-do-undocumented-immigrants-have <- this one is good in that it reminds us all that the US Constitution states "people" and "persons" when describing rights, it does not say "US citizens".

Correct, IF they are currently on US soil, which he is not

Then you agree that his rights while he was on US soil were violated by Noem, Homan, Rubio and Bondi. What remedy are you proposing? If we can't get him back, as those 4 claim, then hold them in contempt until he is returned. This contempt is not criminal. It is civil and there is nothing that Trump could do on his own to keep a judge from jailing all 4 of them.

Yes, his rights were violated. The only remedy you are proposing is the USA grab someone from their home country and bring them here. You are OK with that? Why?

The issue is, he is already gone. We have no right to demand they send him here.

Which means ANYONE can be removed and sent to El Salvador and there is no recourse.

https://bsky.app/profile/atrupar.com/post/3lmrzhcf5k22v

Next are US citizens that Trump doesn't like. Liz Cheney on down to some rando who posted a mean tweet.

Agree with this. Every person on the US should be terrified.