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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

Private schools are less rigorous than public in elementary. For example, our private k-8 used the Bridges math curriculum which is more than a year behind Eureka. Most privates don’t cohort for math and English until 6th grade at the minimum. At least we have contacted math in 4th grade in mcps

Private K-8 schools aren't "less rigorous" than publics. They usually emphasize a strong foundation in the basics of all subjects, and spend a lot more time on things neglected by MCPS - writing, science, history, foreign language, art, music and sports. You are honestly kind of comical when you think having your child race through a math curriculum makes them "advanced."

Writing is critical. MCPS neglects grammar. Spelling. Essay structure. It's very elementary.and kids don't ready very much in elementary school. Little to no chapter books.

Most kids will just need to know arithmetic and how to use a calculator for their future jobs. The analytical thinking and logic process behind math is more useful though. Exercise that part of the brain.

Our ES teacher gave spelling tests but didn’t look at what she was grading. She would make checkmarks after each word, even if the word was misspelled. Just one example out if countless examples of the typical level of instruction at my kid’s mcps school.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

Private schools are less rigorous than public in elementary. For example, our private k-8 used the Bridges math curriculum which is more than a year behind Eureka. Most privates don’t cohort for math and English until 6th grade at the minimum. At least we have contacted math in 4th grade in mcps

Private K-8 schools aren't "less rigorous" than publics. They usually emphasize a strong foundation in the basics of all subjects, and spend a lot more time on things neglected by MCPS - writing, science, history, foreign language, art, music and sports. You are honestly kind of comical when you think having your child race through a math curriculum makes them "advanced."

Writing is critical. MCPS neglects grammar. Spelling. Essay structure. It's very elementary.and kids don't ready very much in elementary school. Little to no chapter books.

Most kids will just need to know arithmetic and how to use a calculator for their future jobs. The analytical thinking and logic process behind math is more useful though. Exercise that part of the brain.

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

For students in 90+ percentile, I do think mcps’s lack of rigor results in them wasting maybe five hours a day. As much as I like the idea of public, it’s become to focused on helping the bottom performers in ES and MS, so I am for vouchers. There needs to he competition to remove complacency and unresponsiveness of CO.

Yeah NO. What public schools have to do versus private schools are light years different and I say that as someone who went to private schools. This whole competition talking point has always been BS. If it wasn’t then we’d let public school do what private schools do:
1) Fund schools at the same high rate as private schools
2) Not have near as much state testing or any at all
3)Cap the number of students enrolled in a school
4) Determine what services they can provide OR provide all the funding necessary to have all the services
etc etc.

I think public tend to get more money per student actually

Gifted kids are probably neglected by both private and public. Public serves the bottom 10-20% better

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

Private schools are less rigorous than public in elementary. For example, our private k-8 used the Bridges math curriculum which is more than a year behind Eureka. Most privates don’t cohort for math and English until 6th grade at the minimum. At least we have contacted math in 4th grade in mcps

Private K-8 schools aren't "less rigorous" than publics. They usually emphasize a strong foundation in the basics of all subjects, and spend a lot more time on things neglected by MCPS - writing, science, history, foreign language, art, music and sports. You are honestly kind of comical when you think having your child race through a math curriculum makes them "advanced."

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Anonymous wrote:What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?

Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter.

Anyone can see what is in the baseline CKLA 4th and 5th grade curriculum. Here is 4th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G4_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf and here is 5th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G5_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf Would be curious to hear how it compares to ELC.

Pardon my haste,
Poetry? What a waste.

Why would that be a waste?

Excuse me, I'm ill
Poetry won't pay the bills

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Anonymous wrote:What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?

Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter.

Anyone can see what is in the baseline CKLA 4th and 5th grade curriculum. Here is 4th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G4_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf and here is 5th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G5_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf Would be curious to hear how it compares to ELC.

Pardon my haste,
Poetry? What a waste.

Why would that be a waste?

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Anonymous wrote:Have any of you considered private schools for more rigorous education for your child? I often feel guilt that I'm wasting my kid's potential in mcps and I would certainly pay up if I could find a better option for her

For students in 90+ percentile, I do think mcps’s lack of rigor results in them wasting maybe five hours a day. As much as I like the idea of public, it’s become to focused on helping the bottom performers in ES and MS, so I am for vouchers. There needs to he competition to remove complacency and unresponsiveness of CO.

Yeah NO. What public schools have to do versus private schools are light years different and I say that as someone who went to private schools. This whole competition talking point has always been BS. If it wasn’t then we’d let public school do what private schools do:
1) Fund schools at the same high rate as private schools
2) Not have near as much state testing or any at all
3)Cap the number of students enrolled in a school
4) Determine what services they can provide OR provide all the funding necessary to have all the services
etc etc.

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Anonymous wrote:I love Yang’s question around this. Why is compacted math a system wide decision but Enriched Literacy was left up to principals to decide.

I noticed that presenter who appeared over video said data illustrated ELC kids performed better than CES. Does anyone know what study this was?

We turned down CES bc the long bus ride and being pulled out of environment with siblings and friends seemed less than ideal. There was no transparency ELC was going away at thedeadline to reply to CES though... so we may regret it.... Unless we get model 1, I guess. Oh well

Not that they performed better — that they made gains at a higher rate. Those are different. There is an MCPS analysis fronts. Few years back on this.

This one? https://ww2.montgomeryschoolsmd.org/departments/sharedaccountability/reports/2020/CES%20and%20ELC%20Examination%2010Jan2020.pdf

Note that this was back before the CES became a lottery, so CES kids would have had gotten into the CES because they had higher scores to start with than ELC kids (for the most part.)

That’s not actually correct. Families have always had a choice whether to attend the CES and some always choose No. Further, there as always been less seats than what was needed which is why ELC was created.

My DD is in a title 1 school. The last few years they did one ELC class that stayed together for 4th and 5th. Now it sounds like they will have 2 advanced classes (out of 5 total classes) that will get compacted math and CLKA enrichment. It's a little frustrating as my DD scores well into the 90's for both reading and math and I know a friend of hers who will be in the group who did not score like that and has some behavioral issues in the classroom.

I just hope they have a "high" group like they used to.

Anonymous wrote:My issue is that all schools don’t follow the same model. Why are some cohosting and not others? Just divide the kids among the HR teachers a La old school reading groups and move on.

This gets to what Yang was asking about in the last BOE meeting -- why is this up to principals? Why isn't central office telling principals to cohort when there are enough students, as they do for compacted math?

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?

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Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter. [/quote]

Anyone can see what is in the baseline CKLA 4th and 5th grade curriculum. Here is 4th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G4_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf and here is 5th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G5_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf Would be curious to hear how it compares to ELC.[/quote]

I can tell you one thing.
It won't include Mahmoud v Taylor texts as enrichement after SCOTUS smacks down MCPS.

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Anonymous wrote:What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?

Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter.

Anyone can see what is in the baseline CKLA 4th and 5th grade curriculum. Here is 4th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G4_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf and here is 5th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G5_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf Would be curious to hear how it compares to ELC.

Pardon my haste,
Poetry? What a waste.

Anonymous wrote:My issue is that all schools don’t follow the same model. Why are some cohosting and not others? Just divide the kids among the HR teachers a La old school reading groups and move on.

It's either the DEI issue and schools controlled by progressive thought a bit too much
OR there aren't enough kids at that school for an advanced class

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What is the difference between cohorted Advanced CKLA vs the old ELC? And how does it compare to CES (which just seem like a way to bus kids to improve numbers elsewhere).

Assuming it's cohorted, is the new cohorted advanced CKLA just as good?

Model 1 (cohorted advanced class) is replacement for ELC. It is a new curriculum — that is the difference.

No one is going to be able to answer whether it is just as good unless they have seen the new curriculum. CKLA is strong so in theory a cohorted class that moves at a faster pace and incorporates enrichment throughout is strong — but the specifics of what is in the curriculum, and how it is implemented, matter.

Anyone can see what is in the baseline CKLA 4th and 5th grade curriculum. Here is 4th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G4_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf and here is 5th: https://literacy.amplify.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/3/2021/01/CKLA_G5_Scope_and_Sequence.pdf Would be curious to hear how it compares to ELC.

My issue is that all schools don’t follow the same model. Why are some cohosting and not others? Just divide the kids among the HR teachers a La old school reading groups and move on.