Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:46
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Collegiate landscape is changing, and now with no NWSL draft any longer either, it'll be interesting to see how everything plays out.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:44
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ECNL didn’t repost/share the news about Kang’s investment…The GA did…..let that sink in for a sec
Kang does not have tons of money! This will not be a new hit every year.
You clearly did not do any research on it. You just want to come on here and naysay. The money isn't straight out of Michelle Kang's pocket.
She may have made a donation, i assume she did, but others have donated too. It is reported that Arthur Blank gave a sizeable donation. He is worth almost $10 billion. As long as there are people like Mr. Blank willing to help fund girls and womens sports, the money will keep flowing.
I will go this far. If the teams were owned by Arthur Blank types then you could be on to something. But for the most part they are not. Kang is rich. Not Blank rich. New Boston team owners have money but not crazy stupid money. KC is owned by Chris Long and Mahomes. Mahomes is on his way to stupid money and he would likely be there but Chris long does not have stupid money. This could all work but for the next bunch of years the money is not there.
I will make one point on Blank. I think he would put the money up but he is only going to do it if he thinks this could work. He would have to be convinced this is just not throwing money away. I doubt we are there yet.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:38
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
The whole US soccer landscape is so freaking fractured...too many leagues. Classic too many cooks in the kitchen. IMO or everyone wanting to be the king of their one little kingdom.
There are only so many truly MLS Academy teams out there, but there are many pay to play MSL Next teams.
On the womens side, where are they true aligned academy programs and I saw NCFC get cited. There are pathways but are there programs that allow signings and players to work with a senior team and play with the regular youth club team?
You are starting to see this on the USL men's side with USL-A teams and players working with the senior USL squad.
There's a ton of movement now in the soccer landscape - the traditional college route is going to look very different with roster limits, the financial settlement, NIL, etc.
Will be interesting to see where this all goes.
There are only so many truly MLS Academy teams out there, but there are many pay to play MSL Next teams.
On the womens side, where are they true aligned academy programs and I saw NCFC get cited. There are pathways but are there programs that allow signings and players to work with a senior team and play with the regular youth club team?
You are starting to see this on the USL men's side with USL-A teams and players working with the senior USL squad.
There's a ton of movement now in the soccer landscape - the traditional college route is going to look very different with roster limits, the financial settlement, NIL, etc.
Will be interesting to see where this all goes.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:15
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:ECNL didn’t repost/share the news about Kang’s investment…The GA did…..let that sink in for a sec
Kang does not have tons of money! This will not be a new hit every year.
You clearly did not do any research on it. You just want to come on here and naysay. The money isn't straight out of Michelle Kang's pocket.
She may have made a donation, i assume she did, but others have donated too. It is reported that Arthur Blank gave a sizeable donation. He is worth almost $10 billion. As long as there are people like Mr. Blank willing to help fund girls and womens sports, the money will keep flowing.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:12
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
So many people here with so much confidence about what will happen. I suppose it’s fun to make predictions but really how many predicted things that have happened over the last 3-5 years? The club mergers, new GA clubs in the area, NCAA roster sizes, NIL, which teams were good, etc. No reason to think you’ve all got it figured out now.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 12:07
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the barrier to GA offering free soccer like MLS Academies is money, focus on what would solve the barrier and don't just dream it away.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sure, everybody wants someone else to pay their way but where would GA get the money to offer free soccer to thousands of girls?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:GA>ECNL. GA forever.
I'll take Acadamies over pay to play.
Hopefully this is the direction GA is looking to go.
This is all you ever say.
It's going to be fun watching to come to grips with the reality going on around you.
Kang's $30 million over 5 years is going to USSF to fund what they should have already funded, not to start an NWSL Next or give cash to an endowment fund for GA or ECNL.
I'm not pro or anti GA or ECNL but if some wants a catalyst for change, it's going to cost money.
I have a feeling there's a reason you don't run a soccer league. Sports might not be your thing. Maybe try accounting.
Maybe start with this --- let's say there are acadamies. How many? One per NWSL team? What about all of the other GA teams? They fold? If only 1 per NWSL team -- that it about $25 million a year. Where does that come from? Even if that happens and let's say 20 girls on each team -- that is 280 per age group. But there are thousands of girls in GA and ECNL in each age group. Where would they play? ECNL I guess. Not all of the top girls will go. For some parents just too far to drive. Others have busy lives and no time to be that devoted. I agree you will shift a numbert of the top girls. And maybe you create elite teams but there would not be anywhere near enough girls to satisfy college needs which is really true if a number of these girls would go pro. At the end of the day you create a new elite but it does not really change anything. And back to the money -- where is it coming from?
It took a few years for the academies tied to MLS clubs to offer fully funded programs, and within MLSN there's plenty of clubs still that AREN'T funded and are just typical old pay to play. That model would probably be what happens if that ever occurs, there would be academy teams tied to clubs and over time as revenue increases, they can afford to fund them.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:56
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
I don't know what FC Delco does or will do. But I know the MLS Development grants are peanuts at $10,000ish and while new, there have only been a couple of them.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only way to counter this is for ECNL to once and for all accept the last 5-10 big clubs from GA. If they don’t do this in 25/26…things can go very very south.
ECNL could have done this for several years and chose not to.
As soon as one girls ECNL trades for MLSN and GA the floodgates will open.
Yup… all it takes is for one.
All it takes is for one club like FC Delco with a very strong MLS Next program to fall.
Most clubs would drop the MLS to keep the ECNL.
You would have to know their financial standing to know that.
What if FC Delco feeds a lot of players to pro academies… what if the pro team gives FC Delco an incentive to keep feeding the academy players.
And if the girls go GA, they would most likely be admitted to Champions cup… which attracts college coaches
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:53
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
This definitely shakes things up. Will clubs with GA/ECNL now be given full membership to ECNL? I would imagine if they don’t, MLS Next will get some of the top boys ecnl programs…
VSA Rush
Skyline Elite
STA
Baltimore Celtic
Santa Clara sporting
Columbia Premier
NTH-NASA
South Carolina Surf
SDSC Surf
West Coast FC
HTX
BVBIA
VSA Rush
Skyline Elite
STA
Baltimore Celtic
Santa Clara sporting
Columbia Premier
NTH-NASA
South Carolina Surf
SDSC Surf
West Coast FC
HTX
BVBIA
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:42
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
When making the business presentation, you have to justify the hockey stick growth, you can't just say it and expect to be taken seriously.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fyi, this is not a winning Shark Tank argument.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the barrier to GA offering free soccer like MLS Academies is money, focus on what would solve the barrier and don't just dream it away.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sure, everybody wants someone else to pay their way but where would GA get the money to offer free soccer to thousands of girls?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:GA>ECNL. GA forever.
I'll take Acadamies over pay to play.
Hopefully this is the direction GA is looking to go.
This is all you ever say.
It's going to be fun watching to come to grips with the reality going on around you.
Kang's $30 million over 5 years is going to USSF to fund what they should have already funded, not to start an NWSL Next or give cash to an endowment fund for GA or ECNL.
I'm not pro or anti GA or ECNL but if some wants a catalyst for change, it's going to cost money.
I have a feeling there's a reason you don't run a soccer league. Sports might not be your thing. Maybe try accounting.
See. accountant. You don't even realize your calling.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:41
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Fyi, this is not a winning Shark Tank argument.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the barrier to GA offering free soccer like MLS Academies is money, focus on what would solve the barrier and don't just dream it away.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sure, everybody wants someone else to pay their way but where would GA get the money to offer free soccer to thousands of girls?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:GA>ECNL. GA forever.
I'll take Acadamies over pay to play.
Hopefully this is the direction GA is looking to go.
This is all you ever say.
It's going to be fun watching to come to grips with the reality going on around you.
Kang's $30 million over 5 years is going to USSF to fund what they should have already funded, not to start an NWSL Next or give cash to an endowment fund for GA or ECNL.
I'm not pro or anti GA or ECNL but if some wants a catalyst for change, it's going to cost money.
I have a feeling there's a reason you don't run a soccer league. Sports might not be your thing. Maybe try accounting.
See. accountant. You don't even realize your calling.
Ha, that poster is right though. The barrier is, and will continue to be, money. If GA is going to overtake ECNL from behind, it's going to have to offer something attractive that ECNL doesn't. The pro-pathway gets more attractive if there's more money in women's pro soccer, if they go that way against ECNL's college-first-pathway. They could also waive fees for players, which, again, takes money. Marketing with MLS and NWSL could help, but it just doesn't seem like enough without money. ECNL is not untouchable, but you're overestimating the power of a marketing-only alliance. If someone partners with GA in a way that injects their money or player-selection power into it, *then* ECNL is toast.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:37
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only way to counter this is for ECNL to once and for all accept the last 5-10 big clubs from GA. If they don’t do this in 25/26…things can go very very south.
ECNL could have done this for several years and chose not to.
As soon as one girls ECNL trades for MLSN and GA the floodgates will open.
Yup… all it takes is for one.
All it takes is for one club like FC Delco with a very strong MLS Next program to fall.
Most clubs would drop the MLS to keep the ECNL.
You would have to know their financial standing to know that.
What if FC Delco feeds a lot of players to pro academies… what if the pro team gives FC Delco an incentive to keep feeding the academy players.
And if the girls go GA, they would most likely be admitted to Champions cup… which attracts college coaches
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:34
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So after reading the comments on fb and ig here is what I’m seeing.
Comments that are saying this is no different than the alliance they claimed to have in 2020.
Comments from ecnl parents that seem worried that mls/mlsn/ga are coming for ecnl girls.
Comments that are saying that only the 48 clubs with both ga/mls next will benefit from this alliance — putting clubs with ecnl/MLS next in a tough spot.
All in all, it appears that a good bunch of people fear that ecnl is now at some what of a risk, or at least ecnl parents are now a bit worried.
This alliance news has now gotten more attention than when ga received full sponsorship from us soccer.
Imagine mls next making clubs shift from ecnl to ga and imagine ga making clubs with boys ecnl to go mls next.
GA clubs are going to be attending MLS Next events. What do you think the chances are that MLS Next events will be BY?
No GA will not be attending MLS Next events. Where do you get that?
Generation adidas cup and some combined mlsn/ga events
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:34
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The only way to counter this is for ECNL to once and for all accept the last 5-10 big clubs from GA. If they don’t do this in 25/26…things can go very very south.
ECNL could have done this for several years and chose not to.
As soon as one girls ECNL trades for MLSN and GA the floodgates will open.
Yup… all it takes is for one.
All it takes is for one club like FC Delco with a very strong MLS Next program to fall.
Most clubs would drop the MLS to keep the ECNL.
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:33
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So after reading the comments on fb and ig here is what I’m seeing.
Comments that are saying this is no different than the alliance they claimed to have in 2020.
Comments from ecnl parents that seem worried that mls/mlsn/ga are coming for ecnl girls.
Comments that are saying that only the 48 clubs with both ga/mls next will benefit from this alliance — putting clubs with ecnl/MLS next in a tough spot.
All in all, it appears that a good bunch of people fear that ecnl is now at some what of a risk, or at least ecnl parents are now a bit worried.
This alliance news has now gotten more attention than when ga received full sponsorship from us soccer.
Imagine mls next making clubs shift from ecnl to ga and imagine ga making clubs with boys ecnl to go mls next.
GA clubs are going to be attending MLS Next events. What do you think the chances are that MLS Next events will be BY?
No GA will not be attending MLS Next events. Where do you get that?
Anonymous
12/18/2024 11:32
Subject: GA & MLS NEXT Form Strategic Alliance
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If the barrier to GA offering free soccer like MLS Academies is money, focus on what would solve the barrier and don't just dream it away.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Sure, everybody wants someone else to pay their way but where would GA get the money to offer free soccer to thousands of girls?Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:GA>ECNL. GA forever.
I'll take Acadamies over pay to play.
Hopefully this is the direction GA is looking to go.
This is all you ever say.
It's going to be fun watching to come to grips with the reality going on around you.
Kang's $30 million over 5 years is going to USSF to fund what they should have already funded, not to start an NWSL Next or give cash to an endowment fund for GA or ECNL.
I'm not pro or anti GA or ECNL but if some wants a catalyst for change, it's going to cost money.
I have a feeling there's a reason you don't run a soccer league. Sports might not be your thing. Maybe try accounting.
Maybe start with this --- let's say there are acadamies. How many? One per NWSL team? What about all of the other GA teams? They fold? If only 1 per NWSL team -- that it about $25 million a year. Where does that come from? Even if that happens and let's say 20 girls on each team -- that is 280 per age group. But there are thousands of girls in GA and ECNL in each age group. Where would they play? ECNL I guess. Not all of the top girls will go. For some parents just too far to drive. Others have busy lives and no time to be that devoted. I agree you will shift a numbert of the top girls. And maybe you create elite teams but there would not be anywhere near enough girls to satisfy college needs which is really true if a number of these girls would go pro. At the end of the day you create a new elite but it does not really change anything. And back to the money -- where is it coming from?