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Anonymous wrote:Much ado about nothing. So a copy of the ten commandments will be in classrooms- what is the harm? None. It is ridiculous to be upset about this.

It's not just in the classrooms. It's displayed prominently on the wall, with a "large, easily readable font." These kids' government-funded education is elevating certain religions above others.

If it's such a minor thing as you claim it is, then it should be fine for each teacher to decide whether or not they want it on their wall. But that's not what is happening here.

Anonymous wrote:Much ado about nothing. So a copy of the ten commandments will be in classrooms- what is the harm? None. It is ridiculous to be upset about this.

Anonymous wrote:This should come as no surprise and will happen in other states as well. Yes, one of the founding principles of this country is religious freedom. But like those counties turning hard right in Europe today it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

Come legally and through proper channels to America or any other country, keep your traditions but work to assimilate and become part of the larger culture and all will be fine as it has been for hundreds of years.

Come and try to make your culture the dominant culture and people will be patient and polite at first, but they will start to explain in subtle and sometime not so subtle ways that, that is simply not going to happen.

We see it in the recent elections in Europe and may or may not see it in the US in November. It will start small and many will say in stupid ways like posting the 10 commandments, but it will happen.

These are turbulent times, ones that future generations will study and as always the victor will write that history. Can only wonder what those stories will be.

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

You're confused. The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. It's the conservative Christians who DO vote Republican who are pushing this stuff.

The majority of the minority? That's some pretzel logic right there.

Huh? What majority of minority? Nobody said that, and even if they did what's your argument against the premise here? You're still confused.

Most Americans who identify as Christian don't think we need things like the Ten Commandments in schools. It's only the ones who identify as conservative Christians that do. And most Americans who identify as conservative Christian vote Republican. Those are simple, straight-forward statements. If they confuse you then all I have for you is a smile and letting you know your lingering confusion is entirely a "you" problem.

The majority of Christians vote republican. That is well established.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/08/30/most-white-americans-who-regularly-attend-worship-services-voted-for-trump-in-2020/

So you are saying "The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically" (i.e. the minority of Christians) "ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. "

That's the pretzel logic.

The poll says 40% of Christians do not vote Republican. And of the 59% who do vote Republican I doubt most of them are chomping at the bit for having the Ten Commandments in public schools. I try to give Republicans and Christians more credit than assuming they are that dumb. Not all that pretzely as far as I'm concerned.

To refer to "the majority of christians who do not vote republican" is misleading because it is the minority of republicans.

LMAO. The Christians who do not vote Republican are not "a minority of Republicans." They ARE NOT REPUBLICANS AT ALL. Were you the one complaining about "pretzel logic" when you fail at even the most basic logic?

And again, it's not the non-Republican Christians who are the problem people trying to shove religion into schools and government.

First of all, I QUOTED YOU (assuming you are that PP).

Second "Christians who vote republican are not republicans" is about as useless and pedantic a claim as I can think of and offers nothing to the discussion. It also was not part of the initial claim.

I stand behind it all and think it speaks for itself to anyone reading. You may continue to try and backpedal and strawman but it's all there.

You stand behind what? You made a confused retort whining about pretzel logic, the poster corrected you with a very straightforward explanation, and you then ALSO GOT THAT WRONG TOO!"

I stand behind the statement that your logic was faulty. I think that is extremely clear if you read it. You can go ahead and have the last word I’m not commenting on this particular item again.

LMAO what a bunch of BS. YOUR COMPREHENSION is what was faulty, everyone here knows it, and now you want to run away.

Anonymous wrote:This should come as no surprise and will happen in other states as well. Yes, one of the founding principles of this country is religious freedom. But like those counties turning hard right in Europe today it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

Come legally and through proper channels to America or any other country, keep your traditions but work to assimilate and become part of the larger culture and all will be fine as it has been for hundreds of years.

Come and try to make your culture the dominant culture and people will be patient and polite at first, but they will start to explain in subtle and sometime not so subtle ways that, that is simply not going to happen.

We see it in the recent elections in Europe and may or may not see it in the US in November. It will start small and many will say in stupid ways like posting the 10 commandments, but it will happen.

These are turbulent times, ones that future generations will study and as always the victor will write that history. Can only wonder what those stories will be.

Anonymous wrote:This should come as no surprise and will happen in other states as well. Yes, one of the founding principles of this country is religious freedom. But like those counties turning hard right in Europe today it was founded on Judeo-Christian principles.

Come legally and through proper channels to America or any other country, keep your traditions but work to assimilate and become part of the larger culture and all will be fine as it has been for hundreds of years.

Come and try to make your culture the dominant culture and people will be patient and polite at first, but they will start to explain in subtle and sometime not so subtle ways that, that is simply not going to happen.

We see it in the recent elections in Europe and may or may not see it in the US in November. It will start small and many will say in stupid ways like posting the 10 commandments, but it will happen.

These are turbulent times, ones that future generations will study and as always the victor will write that history. Can only wonder what those stories will be.

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Anonymous wrote:Do the Louisiana lawmakers want this in their schools because the Christians there clearly aren’t teaching these things at home, and have stopped going to church and supporting the church via tithes? This looks like desperation to me.

I think they want to brainwash every child into becoming a Christian. The poster of the 10 commandments will hypnotize and seduce the children into believers. Its mere presence will turn thousands of children into evangelicals.

Oh good, then it will be ok to put the fundamental tenets of the Satanic Temple right next to them?

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Anonymous wrote:It's dumb, performative crap for the Christian right who constantly need their heads patted and to be told they are important and special. Kids don't care and won't read the poster unless it's massive or the teacher forces reciting.

The most likely outcome is it will end up being allowed by the current SCOTUS (probably overturning some settled case law on some novel understanding of history) and other religions will be allowed to have posters but won't actually be able to.

Louisiana will continue to be a poor, ignorant state with bottom 10% stats in every QoL metric.

What religion are you, pp? Does your religion teach you to call your fellow man poor and ignorant? Does your religion teach you to disparage poor people or uneducated people? Does your religion teach you to help poor and uneducated people?

Are you able to stay on topic? Can you build a coherent argument based in reality and fact? I'm beginning to believe conservative and religious beliefs really are just a symptom of the weak-minded.

Yes.

The red states stay poor and undereducated by design. I don’t see having religious beliefs in opposition to being educated and believing that science is real but these dreadful “Christians” do. I believe in God and consider myself a cultural member of the religion in which I grew up, but I believe in the separation of church and state. This is abominable.

You missed the part where you should not judge other people. You are judging a bunch of people you don’t even know as dreadful. That’s close minded and wrong. You don’t know anyone is dreadful until you get to know them on a personal level.

So far: Louisiana is a poor, ignorant state.
Other Christians (the ones who don’t think like meeeeeee) are dreadful.

What a bunch of sweethearts posting here. Real role models for children.

Don't pretend you have any moral high ground here whatsoever.

Whatever "religion" it is that you and your Louisiana Republicans are certainly teaches them to disparage the poor, to disparage anyone who disagrees with them, to disrespect their religion if they are not Christian, to disrespect them if they are atheist, to disparage them if they come from another land, it teaches them to be greedy, selfish, and short-sighted. It teaches them to NOT follow Christ's teachings about feeding the poor, tending to the sick, the elderly and the infirm, offering refuge and shelter to those who need it.

If you don't understand that or recognize that about today's GOP, then you'd better take some time to step back and do some deep soul searching because you are completely blind.

Christianity doesn’t teach people to disparage the poor or uneducated. It doesn’t teach Christians to be greedy or to hate people who are different than they are. Christianity doesn’t teach people to be short sighted or disrespectful. That’s ridiculous. You are making up so many things that are really rude and terrible about Christianity, it’s hard to take you seriously.

Christianity doesn’t teach those things, the right wingers have perverted Christianity to teach those things. Prosperity gospel says if you’re poor, that’s God’s punishment for you sucking. Bootstraps! “*uck your feelings!”

Those who are Republican and “Christian” are the exact type of worshipper Jesus talked against. You guys are the opposite in every way of what Jesus wanted us to do. You may claim his mantle, but you are wrong in all regards. You see the least among us and you knock them down, kick them in the stomach and rub dirt in their eyes.

And all that is apart from the fact that we are supposed to have religious freedom in this country because our founders knew what established religion does. You… do not. You’re happy for fascism to show up and establish a state religion, knock women back to the dark ages and thump your chest. The commandments are a religious artifact and have no business in a school outside of class that discusses them in a literature or cultural way.

There are millions of Christians in the United States who do not vote for republicans and are not conservative. You are ranting and unhinged. This thread is about a law that La passed, not about attacking Christians. I never fail to hear hateful, intolerant comments from people who call Christians hateful and intolerant.

You have a problem with Christianity, and I don’t care if you do. You don’t have to like Christianity or Christians. But you have no right to tell people how they live their life or practice their religion. You are obsessed with judging people you have never met a single time in your life and judging them evil.

You're confused. The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. It's the conservative Christians who DO vote Republican who are pushing this stuff.

The majority of the minority? That's some pretzel logic right there.

Huh? What majority of minority? Nobody said that, and even if they did what's your argument against the premise here? You're still confused.

Most Americans who identify as Christian don't think we need things like the Ten Commandments in schools. It's only the ones who identify as conservative Christians that do. And most Americans who identify as conservative Christian vote Republican. Those are simple, straight-forward statements. If they confuse you then all I have for you is a smile and letting you know your lingering confusion is entirely a "you" problem.

The majority of Christians vote republican. That is well established.

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2021/08/30/most-white-americans-who-regularly-attend-worship-services-voted-for-trump-in-2020/

So you are saying "The overwhelming majority of Christians who don't vote Republican typically" (i.e. the minority of Christians) "ARE NOT the ones foisting the Bible and Ten Commandments on public schools and other places where they don't belong. "

That's the pretzel logic.

The poll says 40% of Christians do not vote Republican. And of the 59% who do vote Republican I doubt most of them are chomping at the bit for having the Ten Commandments in public schools. I try to give Republicans and Christians more credit than assuming they are that dumb. Not all that pretzely as far as I'm concerned.

To refer to "the majority of christians who do not vote republican" is misleading because it is the minority of republicans.

LMAO. The Christians who do not vote Republican are not "a minority of Republicans." They ARE NOT REPUBLICANS AT ALL. Were you the one complaining about "pretzel logic" when you fail at even the most basic logic?

And again, it's not the non-Republican Christians who are the problem people trying to shove religion into schools and government.

First of all, I QUOTED YOU (assuming you are that PP).

Second "Christians who vote republican are not republicans" is about as useless and pedantic a claim as I can think of and offers nothing to the discussion. It also was not part of the initial claim.

I stand behind it all and think it speaks for itself to anyone reading. You may continue to try and backpedal and strawman but it's all there.

You stand behind what? You made a confused retort whining about pretzel logic, the poster corrected you with a very straightforward explanation, and you then ALSO GOT THAT WRONG TOO!"

I stand behind the statement that your logic was faulty. I think that is extremely clear if you read it. You can go ahead and have the last word I’m not commenting on this particular item again.

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