Anonymous wrote:

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Arts Institutes was a fraudulent for-profit university that literally made up and advertised fake data about the success of its graduates to lure in more students and keep the student loan mill churning.

Then sue the Arts Institutes for restitution. This administration is handing out free money hand over fist and it’s the TAXPAYERS who are footing the bill. Insane.
DP

Holding fraudulent entities accountable does make more sense but deficit spending is much easier.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arts Institutes was a fraudulent for-profit university that literally made up and advertised fake data about the success of its graduates to lure in more students and keep the student loan mill churning.

Then, why are TAX PAYERS being forced to pay off the loans. Why not the people and groups that committed fraud?????

Exactly.

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s popular and the right thing to do. I paid off over six figures in student loan debt myself. For years, the government made PLENTY of profits off me and my fellow borrowers for what are effectively non-dischargeable loans. The government should lift its people up, not bury them in lifelong debt servitude. Contrary to the assertions of the billionaires, real economic growth comes from lifting the bottom up, not scraps of hoarded wealth trickling down.

Great - so when will the government reimburse me for scrimping and saving to pay the tuition of my own kids? We’ll wait while you spin up some nonsensical response.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arts Institutes was a fraudulent for-profit university that literally made up and advertised fake data about the success of its graduates to lure in more students and keep the student loan mill churning.

Then sue the Arts Institutes for restitution. This administration is handing out free money hand over fist and it’s the TAXPAYERS who are footing the bill. Insane.
DP

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:Why?
49.1% of voters age 18-24 years are registered to vote, of those, 39.4% voted in 2016 and 48% in 2020
62.7% of voters age 25-34 years are registered to vote
69.3% of voters age 35-44 years are registered to vote

These two age groups combined (25-44) only 49% voted in 2016 and 55% voted in 2020.

These are the majority of people that still hold outstanding student loans. So, many of those age demographics either are not registered or do not vote. The majority of those who are registered and vote regularly are already committed to one side or the other.

The best way to improve numbers is to get people who are not registered, to register and get those are registered to vote, to actually vote. And Biden wants to encourage uncommitted voters to register and vote for him. So he is bribing the unregistered and the apathetic into voting for him.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/999919/share-people-registered-vote-age/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1096299/voter-turnout-presidential-elections-by-age-historical/

This is the bottom line. And, in so doing, he is having the rest of America, many of whom make $65K a year or less, pay for the loans.
Interesting that Trump is currently on trial for a $130,000 pay off to "influence an election" yet Joe Biden is spending billions of taxpayer money in pay offs to influence an election.

I'm the PP you are responding to. The difference is that what Trump did was illegal. What Biden is doing is legal.

Laws have meaning and purpose and as long as they are in place, you have to follow them whether or not the logistics make sense.

Biden is buying votes. It is very much illegal.

No. Those who receive tuition forgiveness are free to vote for whomever they want. There is no requirement that in order receive tuition forgiveness you have to vote for Biden. That would be illegal.

Otherwise you could say that the first found of stimulus checks that Trump sent out during the pandemic were illegal buying of votes. After Congress voted to send out the first round of checks during the pandemic to help those who had lost employment during the shutdowns, Trump put a hold on the payments for several weeks because he wanted the IRS to replace the commissioner's signature on the check with Trump's signature. It was a cost of several hundred thousand dollars to stop the process, change the signature, then resubmit all of the payment checks. Trump wanted to make sure that his signature was on the check. And this happened during the last few months of the 2020 election cycle. That came far closer to trying to buying votes, than what Biden has just done.

But neither is actually vote buying.

Again buying votes which is illegal. You wrote a bunch of things that didn't change the premise.

Yes, buying votes is illegal. But what Biden is doing is not buying votes. Is that simple enough for you?

Its gonna be funny when he asks for voters to vote for him because he paid off their student debt during a campaign speech.

Still beating that dead horse, huh?
Every candidate tells segments of their constituency what they have done or will do for that constituency, whether it is farmers, small business, women concerned about reproductive healthcare, etc. Nothing wrong with that.

DP. So you say the same about Trump, amirite?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Arts Institutes was a fraudulent for-profit university that literally made up and advertised fake data about the success of its graduates to lure in more students and keep the student loan mill churning.

Then, why are TAX PAYERS being forced to pay off the loans. Why not the people and groups that committed fraud?????

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s popular and the right thing to do. I paid off over six figures in student loan debt myself. For years, the government made PLENTY of profits off me and my fellow borrowers for what are effectively non-dischargeable loans. The government should lift its people up, not bury them in lifelong debt servitude. Contrary to the assertions of the billionaires, real economic growth comes from lifting the bottom up, not scraps of hoarded wealth trickling down.

Correct, no more federal student loans. Time to let the private market hand them out.

Sure! And make them dischargeable in bankruptcy like every other private loan.

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Anonymous wrote:Because it’s popular and the right thing to do. I paid off over six figures in student loan debt myself. For years, the government made PLENTY of profits off me and my fellow borrowers for what are effectively non-dischargeable loans. The government should lift its people up, not bury them in lifelong debt servitude. Contrary to the assertions of the billionaires, real economic growth comes from lifting the bottom up, not scraps of hoarded wealth trickling down.

Correct, no more federal student loans. Time to let the private market hand them out.

LOL why are you advocating for something illegal?

Congress needs to change the law to end the program. And who do you think donates big time to Republicans in Congress?

A: private for-profit schools that get gobs of student loans

Anonymous wrote:Because it’s popular and the right thing to do. I paid off over six figures in student loan debt myself. For years, the government made PLENTY of profits off me and my fellow borrowers for what are effectively non-dischargeable loans. The government should lift its people up, not bury them in lifelong debt servitude. Contrary to the assertions of the billionaires, real economic growth comes from lifting the bottom up, not scraps of hoarded wealth trickling down.

Correct, no more federal student loans. Time to let the private market hand them out.

Anonymous wrote:Why do I keep seeing six-figures of student debts discharged from multi-degree professional class persons making six-figure salaries?

That is truly horrible optics.

Aren't there millions of legitimately still poor Americans -- largely minorities and poor white people -- with delinquent federal loans who never finished college? Discharge those.

Biden tried to do this and the Supreme Court knocked it down. It was a blanket $10K forgiveness across the board (OR $20k if you were a Pell Grant recipient, aka came from a poor family).

So yeah, he already tried to do this. Biden admin has been forgiving loans according to the current programs allowable by law: 10 years of payments during public service (PSLF); 20 years of repayments for undergrad-only debt; 25 years of repayments for graduate debt; forgiveness of loans from universities that closed or were fraudulent institutions; and forgiveness of loans for people who have "total and permanent disability"

Because it’s popular and the right thing to do. I paid off over six figures in student loan debt myself. For years, the government made PLENTY of profits off me and my fellow borrowers for what are effectively non-dischargeable loans. The government should lift its people up, not bury them in lifelong debt servitude. Contrary to the assertions of the billionaires, real economic growth comes from lifting the bottom up, not scraps of hoarded wealth trickling down.

Anonymous wrote:Why do I keep seeing six-figures of student debts discharged from multi-degree professional class persons making six-figure salaries?

That is truly horrible optics.

Aren't there millions of legitimately still poor Americans -- largely minorities and poor white people -- with delinquent federal loans who never finished college? Discharge those.

Because they did 10 years of public service at a non-profit or government employer. Which is exactly according to the terms of student loan law signed by President GW Bush and passed on bipartisan basis in Congress.

Do you want Biden to disregard the law that covers public service loan forgivenss?

Anonymous wrote:

Arts Institutes was a fraudulent for-profit university that literally made up and advertised fake data about the success of its graduates to lure in more students and keep the student loan mill churning.

Why do I keep seeing six-figures of student debts discharged from multi-degree professional class persons making six-figure salaries?

That is truly horrible optics.

Aren't there millions of legitimately still poor Americans -- largely minorities and poor white people -- with delinquent federal loans who never finished college? Discharge those.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why?
49.1% of voters age 18-24 years are registered to vote, of those, 39.4% voted in 2016 and 48% in 2020
62.7% of voters age 25-34 years are registered to vote
69.3% of voters age 35-44 years are registered to vote

These two age groups combined (25-44) only 49% voted in 2016 and 55% voted in 2020.

These are the majority of people that still hold outstanding student loans. So, many of those age demographics either are not registered or do not vote. The majority of those who are registered and vote regularly are already committed to one side or the other.

The best way to improve numbers is to get people who are not registered, to register and get those are registered to vote, to actually vote. And Biden wants to encourage uncommitted voters to register and vote for him. So he is bribing the unregistered and the apathetic into voting for him.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/999919/share-people-registered-vote-age/
https://www.statista.com/statistics/1096299/voter-turnout-presidential-elections-by-age-historical/

This is the bottom line. And, in so doing, he is having the rest of America, many of whom make $65K a year or less, pay for the loans.
Interesting that Trump is currently on trial for a $130,000 pay off to "influence an election" yet Joe Biden is spending billions of taxpayer money in pay offs to influence an election.

I'm the PP you are responding to. The difference is that what Trump did was illegal. What Biden is doing is legal.

Laws have meaning and purpose and as long as they are in place, you have to follow them whether or not the logistics make sense.

Biden is buying votes. It is very much illegal.

No. Those who receive tuition forgiveness are free to vote for whomever they want. There is no requirement that in order receive tuition forgiveness you have to vote for Biden. That would be illegal.

Otherwise you could say that the first found of stimulus checks that Trump sent out during the pandemic were illegal buying of votes. After Congress voted to send out the first round of checks during the pandemic to help those who had lost employment during the shutdowns, Trump put a hold on the payments for several weeks because he wanted the IRS to replace the commissioner's signature on the check with Trump's signature. It was a cost of several hundred thousand dollars to stop the process, change the signature, then resubmit all of the payment checks. Trump wanted to make sure that his signature was on the check. And this happened during the last few months of the 2020 election cycle. That came far closer to trying to buying votes, than what Biden has just done.

But neither is actually vote buying.

Again buying votes which is illegal. You wrote a bunch of things that didn't change the premise.

Yes, buying votes is illegal. But what Biden is doing is not buying votes. Is that simple enough for you?

He pretty much is. KJP says the quiet part out loud.

Doocy: “And I understand that President Biden historically has spoken —”

KJP: “Yeah.”

Doocy: “— very forcefully about anti-Semitism, but this week, he's not. He's MIA. Is he that worried about losing the youth vote with these protesters?”

KJP: “I'm going to be mindful. You're talking about youth vote. You're talking about 2024.”

Doocy: “Support of young people.”

KJP: “No, no, no, no. I — I — I — I have to say what I have to say and just give me a second. Uh, so, I'm not going to speak about....and I — I'll speak more broadly. I can't speak to youth people, youth and support and voters. That's not something I can do from here. Uh, the President has taken a lot of policy actions here that he knows that young people care about and a lot of those actions are popular with those young folks, whether it's giving a little bit of breathing room with student debt relief — so we made announcement today, matter of fact, and we are going to continue to do that, because we think it's important as families or as an American and you coming out of college and you wanna build a family by home — uh — you have the opportunity to do that and not be crushed by student debt. The President understands how important it is to deal with that issue. Climate change — something that young people really truly care about. One of the crises that the President said he came into having to deal with was the climate change crisis. This is a President that has taken more — has taken aggressive, aggressive action to deal with climate crisis. You know, look, I can't speak to — um — I can't speak to youth voters or their support, but we're going to do continue to take actions that we believe helps all Americans and all communities.”