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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

It did not look like Lana wanted to go up, at all, and did so only because Taylor was just in her own world in that moment and Lana didn't want to make a scene.

It also winds up being super rude to the other nominees, going out of her way to tout Lana but say nothing about any of them. Especially in a year where the the list was almost entirely female artists. I love Lana del Rey and actually much preferred her album to Taylor's this year. But to single Lana out in that way, even if she is on one track on Midnights, and say nothing about Janelle, Phoebe, SZA, Miley? And of course she said nothing about Olivia, they have beef.

Her whole speech came off as incredibly self-involved and obnoxious. "I'd love to tell you this is the happiest moment of my life"? No one expects you to say that because you've won this exact award three times before.

And the "shocked face" when she wins? She is not some 19 year old ingenue anymore. It is getting SO old.

I saw some annoyed faces in the crowd as she was getting into her antics going on stage. People are sick of her. Just absolutely over it. And I'm sorry, she may have some good songs, but she also produces a lot of drivel and her body of work is simply not good enough from an artistic perspective for people to ignore this stuff.

They played Karma when she won the award, which is NOT the best song on Midnights and kind of highlighted for me how weak the album is. They should have played Anti Hero but I think it would have felt a little to on the nose.

I think anti-hero was one of my least favorite songs on that album.

She had everyone with writing credits from the album up there, including Lana. I do agree that Lana didn’t want to go up there though I don’t think Taylor meant anything bad by it. She was just losing her mind. I’m sure she’s not happy with how it went for a few reasons but what can you do?

I think many of these people are socially awkward. They are artists.

WHY is she losing her mind though? This is her 14th win. She's been nominated over 50 times. She is coming off a hugely successful year. Why is she acting so overwhelmed in that moment.

It's not socially awkward. It's a put on. And it's not even convincing. I don't believe for one moment that she felt so overwhelmed in that moment that she couldn't have hit some prepared talking points (like mentioning the other nominees, acknowledging Celine). I mean, she knew she was going to announce the new album when she won for best Pop Vocal, the whole thing was orchestrated in advance. Well so is the starry-eyed "who, me?!" act. It's a put-on she does to try and make herself more relatable to fans. The sad thing is that it still works!

It wasn't "just" her 14th Grammy. First, it was for album of the year. That's the one they all want. Why do you think Jay Z is up there all butt hurt, griping about Beyonce never winning one? Second, she's the first artist ever to win it 4 times. It was a big deal, however you slice it.

Anonymous wrote:Her awkwardness is baked in. Fans know she is and that is part of why they like her.

Anonymous wrote:I am not a Taylor fan nor do I hate, I mostly ignore and am really not familiar with her personality- so I was surprised she did not have more composure, grace, self awareness etc. The shock at winning a Grammy when you are a once in a generation artist was cringeworthy for me. She also looked disheveled and I was surprised she hadn’t been touched up or anything!

I am sure that sounds like hating but it really was just genuine surprise since I expected her to command the situation like more of a professional!

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

^ Taylor was looking out for her all night from the time they arrived: https://www.tiktok.com/@enews/video/7331921555582209323

Taylor means well but her intentions don't translate that in her actions. It was insensitive to bring Lana up. The poor girl has been snubbed for years. She didnt have time to process the loss before being dragged up on stage to celebrate her friend's win. Her immaturity is staggering

I agree but maybe Taylor was thinking about Lana sitting at the table by herself, which she would have been.

And? It is weirder to act like Lana del Rey would feel like some shy forgotten girl for being alone for a little bit. Sometimes it feels like Taylor Swift is stuck in high school.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

It did not look like Lana wanted to go up, at all, and did so only because Taylor was just in her own world in that moment and Lana didn't want to make a scene.

It also winds up being super rude to the other nominees, going out of her way to tout Lana but say nothing about any of them. Especially in a year where the the list was almost entirely female artists. I love Lana del Rey and actually much preferred her album to Taylor's this year. But to single Lana out in that way, even if she is on one track on Midnights, and say nothing about Janelle, Phoebe, SZA, Miley? And of course she said nothing about Olivia, they have beef.

Her whole speech came off as incredibly self-involved and obnoxious. "I'd love to tell you this is the happiest moment of my life"? No one expects you to say that because you've won this exact award three times before.

And the "shocked face" when she wins? She is not some 19 year old ingenue anymore. It is getting SO old.

I saw some annoyed faces in the crowd as she was getting into her antics going on stage. People are sick of her. Just absolutely over it. And I'm sorry, she may have some good songs, but she also produces a lot of drivel and her body of work is simply not good enough from an artistic perspective for people to ignore this stuff.

They played Karma when she won the award, which is NOT the best song on Midnights and kind of highlighted for me how weak the album is. They should have played Anti Hero but I think it would have felt a little to on the nose.

I think anti-hero was one of my least favorite songs on that album.

She had everyone with writing credits from the album up there, including Lana. I do agree that Lana didn’t want to go up there though I don’t think Taylor meant anything bad by it. She was just losing her mind. I’m sure she’s not happy with how it went for a few reasons but what can you do?

I think many of these people are socially awkward. They are artists.

WHY is she losing her mind though? This is her 14th win. She's been nominated over 50 times. She is coming off a hugely successful year. Why is she acting so overwhelmed in that moment.

It's not socially awkward. It's a put on. And it's not even convincing. I don't believe for one moment that she felt so overwhelmed in that moment that she couldn't have hit some prepared talking points (like mentioning the other nominees, acknowledging Celine). I mean, she knew she was going to announce the new album when she won for best Pop Vocal, the whole thing was orchestrated in advance. Well so is the starry-eyed "who, me?!" act. It's a put-on she does to try and make herself more relatable to fans. The sad thing is that it still works!

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Anonymous wrote:Jay Z is an idiot

What is he doing? What did he do?

Jay-Z read the GRammy's for some filth. He won the Dr Dre Global impact award. Brough Blue Ivy on stage (when did she become a teenager!). Gave a rambling speech that hard some hard-hitting points but rambled a bit too incoherently. Brought up that Beyonce has the most grammys ever, btu hasn't ever won album of the year. There's also long-standing controversy of how songs/acts are placed in different categories, with some real head scratchers/insults, especially in the rap categories. Did make a funny joke about Will smith boycotting the grammy's the year they won a rap grammy but boycotted when their category wasn't in the broadcast. He joked it was a dumb boycott because then they watched the grammys on TV, which I thought he might be trying to diss Will and DJ Jazzy Jeff, but then he joked he also had a dumb boycott where he also watched after DMZ wasn't nominated.

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Anonymous wrote:Haunting performance by Joni Mitchell at 80 and clearly not in good health.

But she seemed very lucid. She also performed the song (not just going through the motions ). I liked the perspective of those lyrics coming from an elder. It was well done.

Agree. The lyrics were beautiful. I was trying to explain to my Gen Z daughter that Joni is the older generation's TS. I'm a Xennial and don't even feel like my generation is familiar with her so now I'm going to dig a little more into her music.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

^ Taylor was looking out for her all night from the time they arrived: https://www.tiktok.com/@enews/video/7331921555582209323

Taylor means well but her intentions don't translate that in her actions. It was insensitive to bring Lana up. The poor girl has been snubbed for years. She didnt have time to process the loss before being dragged up on stage to celebrate her friend's win. Her immaturity is staggering

I agree but maybe Taylor was thinking about Lana sitting at the table by herself, which she would have been.

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

It did not look like Lana wanted to go up, at all, and did so only because Taylor was just in her own world in that moment and Lana didn't want to make a scene.

It also winds up being super rude to the other nominees, going out of her way to tout Lana but say nothing about any of them. Especially in a year where the the list was almost entirely female artists. I love Lana del Rey and actually much preferred her album to Taylor's this year. But to single Lana out in that way, even if she is on one track on Midnights, and say nothing about Janelle, Phoebe, SZA, Miley? And of course she said nothing about Olivia, they have beef.

Her whole speech came off as incredibly self-involved and obnoxious. "I'd love to tell you this is the happiest moment of my life"? No one expects you to say that because you've won this exact award three times before.

And the "shocked face" when she wins? She is not some 19 year old ingenue anymore. It is getting SO old.

I saw some annoyed faces in the crowd as she was getting into her antics going on stage. People are sick of her. Just absolutely over it. And I'm sorry, she may have some good songs, but she also produces a lot of drivel and her body of work is simply not good enough from an artistic perspective for people to ignore this stuff.

They played Karma when she won the award, which is NOT the best song on Midnights and kind of highlighted for me how weak the album is. They should have played Anti Hero but I think it would have felt a little to on the nose.

I think anti-hero was one of my least favorite songs on that album.

She had everyone with writing credits from the album up there, including Lana. I do agree that Lana didn’t want to go up there though I don’t think Taylor meant anything bad by it. She was just losing her mind. I’m sure she’s not happy with how it went for a few reasons but what can you do?

I think many of these people are socially awkward. They are artists.

WHY is she losing her mind though? This is her 14th win. She's been nominated over 50 times. She is coming off a hugely successful year. Why is she acting so overwhelmed in that moment.

It's not socially awkward. It's a put on. And it's not even convincing. I don't believe for one moment that she felt so overwhelmed in that moment that she couldn't have hit some prepared talking points (like mentioning the other nominees, acknowledging Celine). I mean, she knew she was going to announce the new album when she won for best Pop Vocal, the whole thing was orchestrated in advance. Well so is the starry-eyed "who, me?!" act. It's a put-on she does to try and make herself more relatable to fans. The sad thing is that it still works!

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

It did not look like Lana wanted to go up, at all, and did so only because Taylor was just in her own world in that moment and Lana didn't want to make a scene.

It also winds up being super rude to the other nominees, going out of her way to tout Lana but say nothing about any of them. Especially in a year where the the list was almost entirely female artists. I love Lana del Rey and actually much preferred her album to Taylor's this year. But to single Lana out in that way, even if she is on one track on Midnights, and say nothing about Janelle, Phoebe, SZA, Miley? And of course she said nothing about Olivia, they have beef.

Her whole speech came off as incredibly self-involved and obnoxious. "I'd love to tell you this is the happiest moment of my life"? No one expects you to say that because you've won this exact award three times before.

And the "shocked face" when she wins? She is not some 19 year old ingenue anymore. It is getting SO old.

I saw some annoyed faces in the crowd as she was getting into her antics going on stage. People are sick of her. Just absolutely over it. And I'm sorry, she may have some good songs, but she also produces a lot of drivel and her body of work is simply not good enough from an artistic perspective for people to ignore this stuff.

They played Karma when she won the award, which is NOT the best song on Midnights and kind of highlighted for me how weak the album is. They should have played Anti Hero but I think it would have felt a little to on the nose.

I think anti-hero was one of my least favorite songs on that album.

She had everyone with writing credits from the album up there, including Lana. I do agree that Lana didn’t want to go up there though I don’t think Taylor meant anything bad by it. She was just losing her mind. I’m sure she’s not happy with how it went for a few reasons but what can you do?

I think many of these people are socially awkward. They are artists.

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Anonymous wrote:Haunting performance by Joni Mitchell at 80 and clearly not in good health.

But she seemed very lucid. She also performed the song (not just going through the motions ). I liked the perspective of those lyrics coming from an elder. It was well done.

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Anonymous wrote:For anyone who hasn’t yet heard the new Billy Joel song:

Fantastic!

Who sits around and listens to bombastic, overwrought garbage like this?

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Anonymous wrote:Not to join the Taylor what the heck were you doing train but why in the world did she bring Lana up?! Lana had just lost the aoty and looked so disappointed. Lana didn't even say anything. I felt awful for her

Same here. Taylor appeared to literally drag Lana up on to the stage, where she attempted to hide until Taylor insisted that she come out. Very awkward, poorly handled moment.

Did she actually do that? Why?! Lana is so talented and has a very loyal fan base and so much respect. I think it's rude and condescending if it happened the way described here. She needs no hyping.

They came together and sat together and Lana was featured on Midnights, so it is not totally random.

^ Taylor was looking out for her all night from the time they arrived: https://www.tiktok.com/@enews/video/7331921555582209323

Taylor means well but her intentions don't translate that in her actions. It was insensitive to bring Lana up. The poor girl has been snubbed for years. She didnt have time to process the loss before being dragged up on stage to celebrate her friend's win. Her immaturity is staggering

I agree but maybe Taylor was thinking about Lana sitting at the table by herself, which she would have been.