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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Which colleges are predominantly "illegal" migrants? Even UT Austin is majority white.

That’s what you took from this comment? Myopic doesn’t even begin to describe it.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Op I am not going to read all the responses, but white rural Americans have been screwed over by government choices dating back to Reagan (maybe earlier?). But like Johnson said--(I am paraphrasing)-if you convince this population to focus on the brown folks, they won't notice they are being screwed over by white rich folks. The bad guys might change (let's see first it was AAs, but now it's undocumented immigrants, trans folks, DEI, CRT, etc) but the playbook (i.e., look at the boogeyman vs the people actually making the decisions) hasn't in decades.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

and it would be so EASY for Democrats to win elections but instead of helping the deplorables Democrats focus on expanding immigration.

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Bullshit. We subsidize the hell out of the deplorables. Most of them would not have all this free time and money to give to Trump without some kind of government assistance.

This is actually the problem. Middle America doesn't want welfare. They want to be able to work to support their families as previous generations did. Saying, "what's it to you, your SNAP check bounced or something?" demonstrates the enormous disconnect between elites and the working class.

Uh, midwestern farmers get more federal aid (ie welfare and subsidies) than anyone else in the country. But you keep telling yourself that.

You didn't say anything to contradict what I said. I said, they don't *want* to be reliant.

See, you can't even read statements that don't conform to your worldview. Your brain just scrambles the words into an order that comports with your views.

You claim they don't want the "welfare" but yet, they take it. If what you said was true, they wouldn't.

If you ever worked for a Member of Congress, you would find that nobody asks for more government assistance than “bootstraps” conservatives. All the Republican counties and municipalities are constantly begging the federal government to build new infrastructure for them, subsidize every new development, etc., and Congressional caseworkers are inundated with conservatives seeking disability benefits, SBA loans, federal jobs, and every kind of benefit you can imagine. The distinguishing characteristic of conservatives is that they never for a second doubt that they are entitled to anything that they want.

As evidenced by the red taker states being subsidized by the blue maker states and blue maker cities where 75% of the US GDP and wealth is created.

Anonymous wrote:I still dream of hearing Joe Biden scream out, “Have you checked your 401(k) lately?” a la Trump, because the market has been chugging along beautifully. But he can’t do that because people will say, “Trump supporters don’t have 401(k)s, you elitist Dems!”
Which is, of course, not true.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

and it would be so EASY for Democrats to win elections but instead of helping the deplorables Democrats focus on expanding immigration.

stupid

Bullshit. We subsidize the hell out of the deplorables. Most of them would not have all this free time and money to give to Trump without some kind of government assistance.

This is actually the problem. Middle America doesn't want welfare. They want to be able to work to support their families as previous generations did. Saying, "what's it to you, your SNAP check bounced or something?" demonstrates the enormous disconnect between elites and the working class.

Just stop gaslighting. Trump’s people aren’t poor and they aren’t mistreated. They all have the jobs and the lifestyles and the standards of living they chose and earned. Nobody held them back. We subsidize their healthcare and retirement and education and water, sewer, and transportation infrastructure so they can live in a 95% white rural community or small town or exurb with low taxes and few services, just the way they like it. Every one of them is exactly who, what, and where they chose to be. That’s why all their grievances are imaginary problems and conspiracy theories. There real lives are boring and uneventful.

This so perfectly encapsulates so many Trump supporters. I'll add that MANY Trump supporters live in very blue areas (just look at Jan. 6 geolocation data), benefiting from good public schools, infrastructure, and healthcare. They don't like that people who look "different" (code, non-white/female, gay) are having success. Trump supporters have bought into the myth that THOSE PEOPLE got a hand up/diversity hire/takers etc. They just can't imagine that non-white men could have success. And they ignore that EVERY Black parent has to have The Talk with their sons, women make up are a tiny fraction of top executives, and Latinos, especially women, are often assumed to be uneducated and possibly illegal.

Sorry, it really comes down to the feeling that THEY are getting shivved because Murica is for White folks.

How does that explain the support Trump has among Latino and Black voters?

In any event, I find the myopia in this thread about who Trump supporters are to be fascinating. It’s as if you’ve all forgotten that 2016 happened. I don’t think it’s as much of a foregone conclusion that he will win as it was by summer 2016. People hate Trump more than they did in 2016 and that might motivate voters. J6 and Trump’s dementia might dissuade some potential Trump voters. But the flip side is that a lot of people of all races are alienated from the Democrats now. Reproductive rights might drive some voters but there are also plenty of disaffected voters alienated by crime (the repeated “it’s down” doesn’t help), immigration, Israel policy, some aspects of transgender rights, job losses, inflation, and lingering resentment about covid policies. It’s a complex picture and at this point I don’t think it’s as clear as it was summer 2016.

Yet all you just keep on screaming “deplorables” over and over. It’s nuts.

Trump is the essence of deplorable.

Trump only became prominent because of his birther movement against our first Black president.

Trump refused to apologize for taking out four full-page ads in NYC newspapers calling for the death penalty of the Central Park 5, who were exonerated.

Trump defended his comment about "very fine people" at the Charlottesville white supremacist rally.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

Op I am not going to read all the responses, but white rural Americans have been screwed over by government choices dating back to Reagan (maybe earlier?). But like Johnson said--(I am paraphrasing)-if you convince this population to focus on the brown folks, they won't notice they are being screwed over by white rich folks. The bad guys might change (let's see first it was AAs, but now it's undocumented immigrants, trans folks, DEI, CRT, etc) but the playbook (i.e., look at the boogeyman vs the people actually making the decisions) hasn't in decades.

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

and it would be so EASY for Democrats to win elections but instead of helping the deplorables Democrats focus on expanding immigration.

stupid

Bullshit. We subsidize the hell out of the deplorables. Most of them would not have all this free time and money to give to Trump without some kind of government assistance.

This is actually the problem. Middle America doesn't want welfare. They want to be able to work to support their families as previous generations did. Saying, "what's it to you, your SNAP check bounced or something?" demonstrates the enormous disconnect between elites and the working class.

Just stop gaslighting. Trump’s people aren’t poor and they aren’t mistreated. They all have the jobs and the lifestyles and the standards of living they chose and earned. Nobody held them back. We subsidize their healthcare and retirement and education and water, sewer, and transportation infrastructure so they can live in a 95% white rural community or small town or exurb with low taxes and few services, just the way they like it. Every one of them is exactly who, what, and where they chose to be. That’s why all their grievances are imaginary problems and conspiracy theories. There real lives are boring and uneventful.

This so perfectly encapsulates so many Trump supporters. I'll add that MANY Trump supporters live in very blue areas (just look at Jan. 6 geolocation data), benefiting from good public schools, infrastructure, and healthcare. They don't like that people who look "different" (code, non-white/female, gay) are having success. Trump supporters have bought into the myth that THOSE PEOPLE got a hand up/diversity hire/takers etc. They just can't imagine that non-white men could have success. And they ignore that EVERY Black parent has to have The Talk with their sons, women make up are a tiny fraction of top executives, and Latinos, especially women, are often assumed to be uneducated and possibly illegal.

Sorry, it really comes down to the feeling that THEY are getting shivved because Murica is for White folks.

How does that explain the support Trump has among Latino and Black voters?

In any event, I find the myopia in this thread about who Trump supporters are to be fascinating. It’s as if you’ve all forgotten that 2016 happened. I don’t think it’s as much of a foregone conclusion that he will win as it was by summer 2016. People hate Trump more than they did in 2016 and that might motivate voters. J6 and Trump’s dementia might dissuade some potential Trump voters. But the flip side is that a lot of people of all races are alienated from the Democrats now. Reproductive rights might drive some voters but there are also plenty of disaffected voters alienated by crime (the repeated “it’s down” doesn’t help), immigration, Israel policy, some aspects of transgender rights, job losses, inflation, and lingering resentment about covid policies. It’s a complex picture and at this point I don’t think it’s as clear as it was summer 2016.

Yet all you just keep on screaming “deplorables” over and over. It’s nuts.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

and it would be so EASY for Democrats to win elections but instead of helping the deplorables Democrats focus on expanding immigration.

stupid

Bullshit. We subsidize the hell out of the deplorables. Most of them would not have all this free time and money to give to Trump without some kind of government assistance.

This is actually the problem. Middle America doesn't want welfare. They want to be able to work to support their families as previous generations did. Saying, "what's it to you, your SNAP check bounced or something?" demonstrates the enormous disconnect between elites and the working class.

Just stop gaslighting. Trump’s people aren’t poor and they aren’t mistreated. They all have the jobs and the lifestyles and the standards of living they chose and earned. Nobody held them back. We subsidize their healthcare and retirement and education and water, sewer, and transportation infrastructure so they can live in a 95% white rural community or small town or exurb with low taxes and few services, just the way they like it. Every one of them is exactly who, what, and where they chose to be. That’s why all their grievances are imaginary problems and conspiracy theories. There real lives are boring and uneventful.

This so perfectly encapsulates so many Trump supporters. I'll add that MANY Trump supporters live in very blue areas (just look at Jan. 6 geolocation data), benefiting from good public schools, infrastructure, and healthcare. They don't like that people who look "different" (code, non-white/female, gay) are having success. Trump supporters have bought into the myth that THOSE PEOPLE got a hand up/diversity hire/takers etc. They just can't imagine that non-white men could have success. And they ignore that EVERY Black parent has to have The Talk with their sons, women make up are a tiny fraction of top executives, and Latinos, especially women, are often assumed to be uneducated and possibly illegal.

Sorry, it really comes down to the feeling that THEY are getting shivved because Murica is for White folks.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

and it would be so EASY for Democrats to win elections but instead of helping the deplorables Democrats focus on expanding immigration.

stupid

Bullshit. We subsidize the hell out of the deplorables. Most of them would not have all this free time and money to give to Trump without some kind of government assistance.

This is actually the problem. Middle America doesn't want welfare. They want to be able to work to support their families as previous generations did. Saying, "what's it to you, your SNAP check bounced or something?" demonstrates the enormous disconnect between elites and the working class.

Uh, midwestern farmers get more federal aid (ie welfare and subsidies) than anyone else in the country. But you keep telling yourself that.

You didn't say anything to contradict what I said. I said, they don't *want* to be reliant.

See, you can't even read statements that don't conform to your worldview. Your brain just scrambles the words into an order that comports with your views.

You claim they don't want the "welfare" but yet, they take it. If what you said was true, they wouldn't.

If you ever worked for a Member of Congress, you would find that nobody asks for more government assistance than “bootstraps” conservatives. All the Republican counties and municipalities are constantly begging the federal government to build new infrastructure for them, subsidize every new development, etc., and Congressional caseworkers are inundated with conservatives seeking disability benefits, SBA loans, federal jobs, and every kind of benefit you can imagine. The distinguishing characteristic of conservatives is that they never for a second doubt that they are entitled to anything that they want.

Anonymous wrote:I think OP has some stereotypes in her post that aren't quite accurate.

But, I will say that when voters compare Biden and Trump, they find that Biden's policies have largely benefited high income earners and not so much the poor and middle class.

His push to redistribute student loan payments benefits mostly advanced degree upper income earners while saddling the middle class with the payments. Likewise, the subsidies for EVs benefits the wealthy. Few middle class/poor can afford or choose to buy EVs. There are many other examples.

And, inflation has not helped. While the rate of inflation has slowed, prices have not decreased.

https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/

Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

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Anonymous wrote:I'm a typical educated and wealthy DC-area striver. Atheist, support women's right to choose, value the diversity of cultures in this world, etc. I wouldn't say no to a tax cut, lol. I'm going to be good whoever gets elected.

We gotta face facts, though. Most of America is not like DC. It's hugely white, under-educated, under-employed people, who have been truly screwed over by progressive policies.

They have to compete with millions upon millions of lower cost illegal migrants flooding across the borders. They have been penalized by the color of their skin when applying to college and jobs. Suicide, depression, opioids, wars they have to fight and die in...it has gotten quite bad.

Once upon a time, democrats valued this massive part of America. Do they still? Can they?

and it would be so EASY for Democrats to win elections but instead of helping the deplorables Democrats focus on expanding immigration.

stupid

Bullshit. We subsidize the hell out of the deplorables. Most of them would not have all this free time and money to give to Trump without some kind of government assistance.

This is actually the problem. Middle America doesn't want welfare. They want to be able to work to support their families as previous generations did. Saying, "what's it to you, your SNAP check bounced or something?" demonstrates the enormous disconnect between elites and the working class.

Just stop gaslighting. Trump’s people aren’t poor and they aren’t mistreated. They all have the jobs and the lifestyles and the standards of living they chose and earned. Nobody held them back. We subsidize their healthcare and retirement and education and water, sewer, and transportation infrastructure so they can live in a 95% white rural community or small town or exurb with low taxes and few services, just the way they like it. Every one of them is exactly who, what, and where they chose to be. That’s why all their grievances are imaginary problems and conspiracy theories. There real lives are boring and uneventful.

Anonymous wrote:I think OP has some stereotypes in her post that aren't quite accurate.

But, I will say that when voters compare Biden and Trump, they find that Biden's policies have largely benefited high income earners and not so much the poor and middle class.

His push to redistribute student loan payments benefits mostly advanced degree upper income earners while saddling the middle class with the payments. Likewise, the subsidies for EVs benefits the wealthy. Few middle class/poor can afford or choose to buy EVs. There are many other examples.

And, inflation has not helped. While the rate of inflation has slowed, prices have not decreased.

https://reason.com/2022/08/06/biden-comforts-the-comfortable/