Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is that if you are applying as an unhooked academic kid, you really do need to submit test scores at about 1540 or so.

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This. Same at UVA. Last years incoming class had a 1510 at the 75th percentile (25 percent had higher). So if unhooked, and especially if from nova and competing against top kids from your high school, you want to try to hit well above a 1510.

But that 1510 is deceiving. A ton of UVA’s incoming class went TO. I am too lazy to look it up, but I bet someone else knows the exact percentage.

According to UVa’s last cds, 71 percent of emrolled freshman submitted either SAT or ACT.

Anonymous wrote:17 year old senior in HS reading all of these crazy parent posts. I submitted a 1500 non super-scored test to Duke. I'm proud of scoring that. If they don't accept me, then it is their loss. I'm not hiding my scores as I think the people in admissions obviously know your score is lower if you don't submit it.

Life will go on if I get accepted or not. Same with your kids as well.

I like the cut of your jib, youngster! My kid (and I) have taken the same approach to this collage acceptance game.

From a different thread - just shows how TO skewed everything. Duke average SAT was 1450 just a few years back. Look at all of the schools that are higher.

Now schools are showing inflated averages due to TO since many kids who don’t hit the 75% go TO, yet a few years back would have been thrilled with their scores.


This was precovid average SAT scores:

1. Cal Tech 1544
2. MIT 1507
3. Olin College of Engineering 1506
4. UChicago 1506
5. Yale 1498
5. Vanderbilt 1498
7. Harvard 1497
8. Princeton 1490
9. Harvey Mudd 1484
10. Rice 1482
11. Stanford 1479
12. Columbia 1473
13. Wash Univ 1469
14. Northwestern 1460
15. Penn 1457
15. Brown 1457
17. Notre Dame 1455
18. Johns Hopkins 1453
19. Amherst 1451
20. Duke 1450
21. Carnegie Mellon 1448
22. Williams 1442
23. Webb Iinstitute 1442
24. Dartmouth 1437
25. Pomona 1435
25. Northeastern 1435

Anonymous wrote:17 year old senior in HS reading all of these crazy parent posts. I submitted a 1500 non super-scored test to Duke. I'm proud of scoring that. If they don't accept me, then it is their loss. I'm not hiding my scores as I think the people in admissions obviously know your score is lower if you don't submit it.

Life will go on if I get accepted or not. Same with your kids as well.

This. A 1500 is not “too low” for literally any college. You might not get into a specific college with a 1500 but it won’t be because the SAT is insufficient.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The point is that if you are applying as an unhooked academic kid, you really do need to submit test scores at about 1540 or so.

[b]


This. Same at UVA. Last years incoming class had a 1510 at the 75th percentile (25 percent had higher). So if unhooked, and especially if from nova and competing against top kids from your high school, you want to try to hit well above a 1510.

But that 1510 is deceiving. A ton of UVA’s incoming class went TO. I am too lazy to look it up, but I bet someone else knows the exact percentage.

HI, this is OP. DC did not submit scores. Got in to Duke. Maybe DC would have gotten in if scores were submitted. Still think the system is crazy when kids feel 1500 is too low to submit. Maybe with more schools requiring test scores, this will change.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:System is getting more and more fukced up

Yes, including rich people buying college counselors.

And helping write essays. And starting non-profits. And curating the kids educational experience starting in middle school. It’s pathetic - and yet they think it’s completely justified.

What's unethical about the last one? Every parent curates their child's educational experience, and I don't see anything wrong with that.

Anonymous wrote:The point is that if you are applying as an unhooked academic kid, you really do need to submit test scores at about 1540 or so.

[b]


This. Same at UVA. Last years incoming class had a 1510 at the 75th percentile (25 percent had higher). So if unhooked, and especially if from nova and competing against top kids from your high school, you want to try to hit well above a 1510.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A relative of mine knows someone who works in Duke admissions. This person said TO iOS not for white kids with college educated parents- that it’s seen as a red flag not to submit in that demographic situation. If 1500 is over the 25th quartile, submit

this is flat out wrong

What’s wrong with it? This is the test optional reality of the American college and university system today. And also why the top schools are started mg to return to requiring tests. Few AOs will admit it, but it’s the truth. Ask any private college counselor

Anonymous wrote:17 year old senior in HS reading all of these crazy parent posts. I submitted a 1500 non super-scored test to Duke. I'm proud of scoring that. If they don't accept me, then it is their loss. I'm not hiding my scores as I think the people in admissions obviously know your score is lower if you don't submit it.

Life will go on if I get accepted or not. Same with your kids as well.

Hello kid! You are on the right track. Stay well adjusted and enjoy college wherever you go!

Anonymous wrote:Didn't some of the Ivies just release a report that said they were able to identify a lot of students they would have accepted if only they had submitted their scores? These were borderline cases where the students had scores over 1400 but didn't submit them.

Yes, but they were talking about students from disadvantaged backgrounds.

When this was initially posted, I was in favor of her submitting. By this time, she likely has a decision as she was applying ED.

Didn't some of the Ivies just release a report that said they were able to identify a lot of students they would have accepted if only they had submitted their scores? These were borderline cases where the students had scores over 1400 but didn't submit them.

17 year old senior in HS reading all of these crazy parent posts. I submitted a 1500 non super-scored test to Duke. I'm proud of scoring that. If they don't accept me, then it is their loss. I'm not hiding my scores as I think the people in admissions obviously know your score is lower if you don't submit it.

Life will go on if I get accepted or not. Same with your kids as well.

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Anonymous wrote:Students in the bottom test quartile tend to bring something else to the table--eg, recruited athlete, URM, donor, legacy.

Hey. Wait a minute. you can’t have it both ways…..

So the 25% of the class that were admitted TO are “recruited athlete, URM, donor, legacy” AND the bottom quartile of the remaining 75% that did submit scores are the same group?

Newsflash: there ain’t that many scapegoats for your Argument. Try again. LOL

+1 Approximately 660 or 40% of the enrolled class scored below 1520 (this includes those who submitted a score and TO students).

Anonymous wrote:Students in the bottom test quartile tend to bring something else to the table--eg, recruited athlete, URM, donor, legacy.

Hey. Wait a minute. you can’t have it both ways…..

So the 25% of the class that were admitted TO are “recruited athlete, URM, donor, legacy” AND the bottom quartile of the remaining 75% that did submit scores are the same group?

Newsflash: there ain’t that many scapegoats for your Argument. Try again. LOL