Anonymous
11/02/2023 00:52
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Michigan offers things that Harvard and MIT cannot and never will. I’ll give the academic superiority to the HM. For the combined experience of academics, athletics, and socially, Michigan has few peers. Lots of 18 year olds are looking for the total package, so I’d say 3 out of ten is not out of line.
Here's the problem:
It is true that UIUC is better than Michigan for CS
It is not true that Purdue is better than Michigan for engineering
It is not true that Notre Dame is better than Michigan for business
It is not true that Northwestern is better than Michigan for everything else plus prestige
One out of four things you stated are true. That’s the problem.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 22:09
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
You mad, bro?
Anonymous
11/01/2023 20:59
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone fill me in with the obsession over UVA for out of staters?
I get it is a good school and price of tuition can’t be beat if you are instate.
But I don’t get the obsession from the MD crowd.
Is it just since they are influenced by the VA parents?
I haven't read 17 pages
Absolutely no one cares about UVA.
It's a fine school. But it's not Michigan or Berkeley or UCLA or Chapel Hill or UT Austin or Wisconsin or UIUC or Purdue.
And Maryland is significantly better in engineering and computer science.
Virginia is ok. But goodness. Let's not even get into MIT and Duke and Rice and Harvard and Princeton and Williams and Stanford.
UVA is fine. And that's ok.
Thanks Terp, for chiming in. Sorry your kid didn’t get into UVA. Your bitterness is showing.
Well, I don't live in Virginia. I'm sure UVA is a lovely school. But it doesn't compete in engineering or computer science. It really isn't competing with other publics - Michigan, Berkeley, UCLA, UIUC, Texas Austin,Wisconsin, Purdue, Indiana. Not to mention a whole bunch of privates - MIT, Stanford, Harvard, Rice, Yale, Vanderbilt, Columbia, Penn, Duke, Princeton, Brown, CalTech and so on and so forth.
UVA is a mediocre school. And that's ok.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 19:51
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Michigan offers things that Harvard and MIT cannot and never will. I’ll give the academic superiority to the HM. For the combined experience of academics, athletics, and socially, Michigan has few peers. Lots of 18 year olds are looking for the total package, so I’d say 3 out of ten is not out of line.
I tested Harvard vs. some other state Universities to see how cross-admits choose according to Parchment. It looks like this.
75% Indiana
36% UC Irvine
35% Illinois
33% William and Mary
33% Michigan
33% UC Santa Barbara
33% UC Davis
33% UC Santa Cruz
32% UC Berkeley
28% UVA
25% UNC
25% UT Austin
16% UC San Diego
UCLA, Florida, Purdue, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and others were not statistically significant so I did not include them.
Make of it what you will.
Same schools vs Princeton.
37% UCLA
33% UNC
33% Virginia Tech
33% UC Santa Barbara
33% UC Irvine
29% UVA
28% Indiana
28% Washington
28% William and Mary
26% Michigan
24% Wisconsin
24% Illinois
18% Georgia Tech
16% UC San Diego
UT Austin, UF, Purdue, not statistically significant.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 19:44
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone fill me in with the obsession over UVA for out of staters?
I get it is a good school and price of tuition can’t be beat if you are instate.
But I don’t get the obsession from the MD crowd.
Is it just since they are influenced by the VA parents?
I haven't read 17 pages
Absolutely no one cares about UVA.
It's a fine school. But it's not Michigan or Berkeley or UCLA or Chapel Hill or UT Austin or Wisconsin or UIUC or Purdue.
And Maryland is significantly better in engineering and computer science.
Virginia is ok. But goodness. Let's not even get into MIT and Duke and Rice and Harvard and Princeton and Williams and Stanford.
UVA is fine. And that's ok.
Thanks Terp, for chiming in. Sorry your kid didn’t get into UVA. Your bitterness is showing.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 19:41
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
If you’re a public and not Big Ten you’re not relevant
Anonymous
11/01/2023 19:39
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Michigan offers things that Harvard and MIT cannot and never will. I’ll give the academic superiority to the HM. For the combined experience of academics, athletics, and socially, Michigan has few peers. Lots of 18 year olds are looking for the total package, so I’d say 3 out of ten is not out of line.
I tested Harvard vs. some other state Universities to see how cross-admits choose according to Parchment. It looks like this.
75% Indiana
36% UC Irvine
35% Illinois
33% William and Mary
33% Michigan
33% UC Santa Barbara
33% UC Davis
33% UC Santa Cruz
32% UC Berkeley
28% UVA
25% UNC
25% UT Austin
16% UC San Diego
UCLA, Florida, Purdue, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech and others were not statistically significant so I did not include them.
Make of it what you will.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 17:37
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Can someone fill me in with the obsession over UVA for out of staters?
I get it is a good school and price of tuition can’t be beat if you are instate.
But I don’t get the obsession from the MD crowd.
Is it just since they are influenced by the VA parents?
I haven't read 17 pages
Absolutely no one cares about UVA.
It's a fine school. But it's not Michigan or Berkeley or UCLA or Chapel Hill or UT Austin or Wisconsin or UIUC or Purdue.
And Maryland is significantly better in engineering and computer science.
Virginia is ok. But goodness. Let's not even get into MIT and Duke and Rice and Harvard and Princeton and Williams and Stanford.
UVA is fine. And that's ok.
56,000 applications last year, the majority from OOS.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 17:30
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Can someone fill me in with the obsession over UVA for out of staters?
I get it is a good school and price of tuition can’t be beat if you are instate.
But I don’t get the obsession from the MD crowd.
Is it just since they are influenced by the VA parents?
I haven't read 17 pages
Absolutely no one cares about UVA.
It's a fine school. But it's not Michigan or Berkeley or UCLA or Chapel Hill or UT Austin or Wisconsin or UIUC or Purdue.
And Maryland is significantly better in engineering and computer science.
Virginia is ok. But goodness. Let's not even get into MIT and Duke and Rice and Harvard and Princeton and Williams and Stanford.
UVA is fine. And that's ok.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 15:16
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Michigan offers things that Harvard and MIT cannot and never will. I’ll give the academic superiority to the HM. For the combined experience of academics, athletics, and socially, Michigan has few peers. Lots of 18 year olds are looking for the total package, so I’d say 3 out of ten is not out of line.
Here's the problem:
UIUC is better than Michigan for CS
Purdue is better than Michigan for engineering
Notre Dame is better than Michigan for business
Northwestern is better than Michigan for everything else plus prestige
It is what it is.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 15:03
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Is parchment based on actual data? How is it collected?
Agree - the data seems sketchy and sample sizes must be really low for a lot of these comparisons.
Anonymous
11/01/2023 15:02
Subject: What is the obsession with UVA for out of staters?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:59% Michigan vs 41% Berkeley
That is odd.
I have not known anyone who chose Michigan over UC Berkeley. I lived in Chicago for many years, and UC Berkeley is generally considered as good as (or a little bit lower than) Chicago or Northwestern. Michigan is far away, even though it is within driving distance.
Anonymous wrote:Parchment comparisons
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+California%2C+Berkeley
59% Michigan vs 41% Berkeley
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+California%2C+Los+Angeles
56% Michigan vs 44% UCLA
And of course the most telling of all:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+California%2C+Los+Angeles
61% Michigan vs 39% UVA
You missed the correction earlier:
https://www.parchment.com/c/college/tools/college-cross-admit-comparison.php?compare=University+of+Michigan+-+Ann+Arbor&with=University+of+Virginia
69% Michigan vs 39% UVA
Parchment also says that 1 out of 3 students accepted both to Harvard and Michigan choose Michigan, which is patently ridiculous. I take Parchment with a huge grain of salt.
78% Harvard vs 22% UVA
I can’t believe two out of ten admits would chose UVA! It’s totally ridiculous!
Probably in-state donut hole kids. Harvard is $84K/year net price for the kid of two GS-15 Feds with another kid and own their home in VA. Versus net price of $38K for UVA in-state.