Anonymous
08/22/2024 07:29
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:No. The term actually is “ streatery “ per DC government ( do a little research ) but either way spelling it correctly or not hardly rises to the level of “ sick”.
While one certainly need not wait for a crash to be “fatal” for a risk to be considered significant, or even discussed, in the case of Chevy Chase DC yes there was a fatal crash on a sidewalk cafe at the Parthenon. While not technically a streatery the wake up call at the sidewalk cafe was felt by all.
If streateries were universally safe to be in rush hour traffic lanes then the city would be authorizing them but in fact they aren’t. That’s the point. And that’s one reason the neighborhood has been alarmed.
The problem is that businesses sprouted up on CT back when car traffic was lower volume and much slower. Now CT is trying to be a through-road to downtown while also being a local main-street, and its doing neither well. It needs to pick one or the other, and move the other function somewhere else.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 07:24
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:Nothing like a please t brunch outside and having a car speeding at you in a game of chicken trying to beat cars off the line only to have them swerve over at the last possible second so you can eat overpriced slop at a sh_thole.
And cars/SUVs keep getting faster off the line, leading to more and more people playing this game. Eventually someone's going to plow a $100,000 vehicle into this because those 3.75 seconds were so important.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 06:59
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
I was just down in Penn Quarter and saw a bunch of restaurant seating in the parking lanes of streets. I guess these are different because they're not on streets deemed "rush hour" lanes? They are all still horrible. Wouldn't eat at any of them. What happened to rooftop seating? Does that still exist?
Anonymous
08/22/2024 06:55
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:The problem is not the streateries. The problem is them being next to a road where people drive like maniacs. Conn ave needs 1)bike lanes, 2)huge bumps to deter speeders, and 3)reduce the speed to 15 mph. Tired of bowing down to car brained people
No
Anonymous
08/22/2024 06:54
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Nothing like a please t brunch outside and having a car speeding at you in a game of chicken trying to beat cars off the line only to have them swerve over at the last possible second so you can eat overpriced slop at a sh_thole.
Anonymous
08/22/2024 06:46
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
The problem is not the streateries. The problem is them being next to a road where people drive like maniacs. Conn ave needs 1)bike lanes, 2)huge bumps to deter speeders, and 3)reduce the speed to 15 mph. Tired of bowing down to car brained people
Anonymous
08/21/2024 22:55
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
No. The term actually is “ streatery “ per DC government ( do a little research ) but either way spelling it correctly or not hardly rises to the level of “ sick”.
While one certainly need not wait for a crash to be “fatal” for a risk to be considered significant, or even discussed, in the case of Chevy Chase DC yes there was a fatal crash on a sidewalk cafe at the Parthenon. While not technically a streatery the wake up call at the sidewalk cafe was felt by all.
If streateries were universally safe to be in rush hour traffic lanes then the city would be authorizing them but in fact they aren’t. That’s the point. And that’s one reason the neighborhood has been alarmed.
While one certainly need not wait for a crash to be “fatal” for a risk to be considered significant, or even discussed, in the case of Chevy Chase DC yes there was a fatal crash on a sidewalk cafe at the Parthenon. While not technically a streatery the wake up call at the sidewalk cafe was felt by all.
If streateries were universally safe to be in rush hour traffic lanes then the city would be authorizing them but in fact they aren’t. That’s the point. And that’s one reason the neighborhood has been alarmed.
Anonymous
08/21/2024 21:50
Subject: Re:Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:The city's streatery guidelines state : "Most streets may not be eligible for use as a Streatery due to transportation impacts and will be subject to a detailed transportation assessment and determination by DDOT". Clearly that didn't happen in this case--if there had been an accident involving this streatery and traffic, the city could be held liable for violating its own rules. Not to mention the fact that no insurer would insure a streatery operating in a rush hour lane --so one wonders what was disclosed to Rosemary Bistro's insurer..One would hope Van Ness Main St who represented them, took a look at that.
The Van Ness Main Street application appears to have been approved within 3 days of its submission.
The city knows they made a mistake by allowing any streatery to operate in a lane that is used as a rush hour traffic lane-- so they are no longer approving streateries in rush hour parking lanes. They seem to have grandfathered in a few that were approved in 2020/21 temporarily until end of 2024-- the extensions to 2025 could only be for those that meet their guidelines which will clearly disallow rush hour parking lane structures. Whether they call the extended streateries temporary or permanent remains to be seen but it's clear they want any structure in a rush hour lane to be dismantled. Guidelines are apparently coming in the Fall.
There are only a handful of streateries in this situation so one would hope the city would warn those restaurants and give them fair time to plan their exit. The ANC commissioner for this district should ask for any correspondence or notes of contact with the city, that the applicant, landlord or restaurant has had-as well as confirm that insurance is properly adapted to cover the rush hour lane structure through the end of the permitting period.
There hasn't been a single case, in all 4 years of the streeteries operating, of a fatal crash involving one. And yet here you are, both mis-spelling streeteries and holding up veiled threats. Sick.
Anonymous
08/21/2024 19:28
Subject: Re:Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
The city's streatery guidelines state : "Most streets may not be eligible for use as a Streatery due to transportation impacts and will be subject to a detailed transportation assessment and determination by DDOT". Clearly that didn't happen in this case--if there had been an accident involving this streatery and traffic, the city could be held liable for violating its own rules. Not to mention the fact that no insurer would insure a streatery operating in a rush hour lane --so one wonders what was disclosed to Rosemary Bistro's insurer..One would hope Van Ness Main St who represented them, took a look at that.
The Van Ness Main Street application appears to have been approved within 3 days of its submission.
The city knows they made a mistake by allowing any streatery to operate in a lane that is used as a rush hour traffic lane-- so they are no longer approving streateries in rush hour parking lanes. They seem to have grandfathered in a few that were approved in 2020/21 temporarily until end of 2024-- the extensions to 2025 could only be for those that meet their guidelines which will clearly disallow rush hour parking lane structures. Whether they call the extended streateries temporary or permanent remains to be seen but it's clear they want any structure in a rush hour lane to be dismantled. Guidelines are apparently coming in the Fall.
There are only a handful of streateries in this situation so one would hope the city would warn those restaurants and give them fair time to plan their exit. The ANC commissioner for this district should ask for any correspondence or notes of contact with the city, that the applicant, landlord or restaurant has had-as well as confirm that insurance is properly adapted to cover the rush hour lane structure through the end of the permitting period.
The Van Ness Main Street application appears to have been approved within 3 days of its submission.
The city knows they made a mistake by allowing any streatery to operate in a lane that is used as a rush hour traffic lane-- so they are no longer approving streateries in rush hour parking lanes. They seem to have grandfathered in a few that were approved in 2020/21 temporarily until end of 2024-- the extensions to 2025 could only be for those that meet their guidelines which will clearly disallow rush hour parking lane structures. Whether they call the extended streateries temporary or permanent remains to be seen but it's clear they want any structure in a rush hour lane to be dismantled. Guidelines are apparently coming in the Fall.
There are only a handful of streateries in this situation so one would hope the city would warn those restaurants and give them fair time to plan their exit. The ANC commissioner for this district should ask for any correspondence or notes of contact with the city, that the applicant, landlord or restaurant has had-as well as confirm that insurance is properly adapted to cover the rush hour lane structure through the end of the permitting period.
Anonymous
08/21/2024 18:18
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Someone on the CCDC listserv emailed DDOT about the streateries. Its response:
"We are no longer approving streatery permits in Rush Hour Parking lanes. There are several existing streateries in Rush Hour Parking lanes now that were approved back in 2020/2021, but all will expire once the temporary program ends and need to be removed from public space."
The permit for Rosemary's Bistro expires at the end of the year and it will need to be removed then. So it'll be gone soon enough, thank goodness.
That is a very good update.
Except it might be double speak. Isn't the issue that the DC Government is proposing an extension of that expiry?
Anonymous
08/21/2024 18:01
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Unbridled pettiness of middle-aged mean girls.
Anonymous
08/21/2024 13:12
Subject: Re:Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:This is a very long thread about an extremely mediocre restaurant. Of all the places you could go to eat in DC, this is what you choose?
Boomers in Chevy chase DC love mediocre food
Anonymous
08/21/2024 12:31
Subject: Re:Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:This is a very long thread about an extremely mediocre restaurant. Of all the places you could go to eat in DC, this is what you choose?
Not this. But a splash of bus exhaust with the streetery meal might actually enhance the taste.
Anonymous
08/21/2024 11:20
Subject: Re:Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
This is a very long thread about an extremely mediocre restaurant. Of all the places you could go to eat in DC, this is what you choose?
Anonymous
08/21/2024 11:14
Subject: Rosemary's Bistro Blocking Connecticut Avenue
Anonymous wrote:Someone on the CCDC listserv emailed DDOT about the streateries. Its response:
"We are no longer approving streatery permits in Rush Hour Parking lanes. There are several existing streateries in Rush Hour Parking lanes now that were approved back in 2020/2021, but all will expire once the temporary program ends and need to be removed from public space."
The permit for Rosemary's Bistro expires at the end of the year and it will need to be removed then. So it'll be gone soon enough, thank goodness.
That is a very good update.