Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you sign the DC residency verification form this is what you are agreeing to:
• I certify that I am the adult student or the student’s legal parent, guardian, custodian, or Other Primary Caregiver and am submitting valid and proper residency documentation accordingly or have identified myself as a non-resident and understand the required tuition agreement and tuition payment needed for enrollment.
• I certify that I have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District, defined as the “actual occupation and inhabitance of a place of abode with the intent to dwell for a continuous period of time”; and I am submitting valid and proper documentation to verify residency, as set forth in 5A DCMR § 5004; or, I have identified myself as a non-resident and will complete the required tuition agreement and tuition payment.
• I consent to the disclosure of whether I was determined to meet the residency requirements for any government funded financial assistance program (such as, Medicaid, TANF, or SNAP) in which I am enrolled for the sole purpose of verifying District residency for DC public or charter school enrollment. By signing below, I am saying: I authorize OSSE to obtain my personally identifiable DC residency status information from other state or federal agencies, including but not limited to, the DC Department of Human Services (DHS), the DC Housing Authority (DCHA), and the Department of Health Care Finance (DHCF). OSSE will protect my information and follow all applicable laws regarding the protection and use of this information.
• I understand that enrollment of the above-named student in District of Columbia Public Schools, public charter schools, or other schools providing educational services funded by the District of Columbia is based on my representation of bona-fide DC residency, including this sworn statement of physical presence and my submission of valid and proper documentation verifying residency or by completion of a tuition agreement and tuition payments.
• I understand that even if the documentation I provide appears to be satisfactory, OSSE or school officials, with reasonable basis, may seek further information to verify the student’s residency or the Other Primary Caregiver status of the adult enrolling the student.
• If the District of Columbia, through OSSE, determines that I am not a resident or an approved non-resident under 5A DCMR § 5007, I understand that I am liable for payment of retroactive tuition for the student, and that the student may be withdrawn from school.
• I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.
• I understand that this form and all supporting documentation to this form, including all other OSSE forms used to verify residency, will be retained by the school. I consent to their disclosure to OSSE, external auditors, and other District agencies including but not limited to the DC Office of the Inspector General and the DC Office of the Attorney General, upon request, for the purposes of ensuring the accuracy of my District residency.
• I understand that the District of Columbia may use whatever legal means it has at its disposal to verify my residence.
• I agree to notify the school of any change of residence for myself or the student within three school days of such change and complete a DC Residency Verification Form.
Residency/boundary fraudsters, just because you haven't been caught (yet) doesn't mean that you aren't committing a crime and facing potential fines and imprisonment.
You do see that "boundary" appears nowhere on this form?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
Exactly. If they investigated, it would end when OSSE determines you are a DC resident paying DC taxes. OSSE isn't investigating where you actually live, they're investigating if you're a DC resident. The school would be the ones that would have to investigate your actual address, and again, they accepted your verification documents at the time of enrollment and there is no mechanism in place for schools to do address verification investigations once they accept your verification documents. If you walked into the front office and told your school registrar you committed boundary fraud, then maybe they'd send you back to your IB school. But there is no DCPS investigation process for boundary fraud and OSSE doesn't care as long as you pay DC taxes.
OSSE cares if you lied on a form you swore was truthful…
I’ve been getting away with it for a long time. Three kids through DCPS elementary school. You have until June to catch me.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
Exactly. If they investigated, it would end when OSSE determines you are a DC resident paying DC taxes. OSSE isn't investigating where you actually live, they're investigating if you're a DC resident. The school would be the ones that would have to investigate your actual address, and again, they accepted your verification documents at the time of enrollment and there is no mechanism in place for schools to do address verification investigations once they accept your verification documents. If you walked into the front office and told your school registrar you committed boundary fraud, then maybe they'd send you back to your IB school. But there is no DCPS investigation process for boundary fraud and OSSE doesn't care as long as you pay DC taxes.
OSSE cares if you lied on a form you swore was truthful…
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
Exactly. If they investigated, it would end when OSSE determines you are a DC resident paying DC taxes. OSSE isn't investigating where you actually live, they're investigating if you're a DC resident. The school would be the ones that would have to investigate your actual address, and again, they accepted your verification documents at the time of enrollment and there is no mechanism in place for schools to do address verification investigations once they accept your verification documents. If you walked into the front office and told your school registrar you committed boundary fraud, then maybe they'd send you back to your IB school. But there is no DCPS investigation process for boundary fraud and OSSE doesn't care as long as you pay DC taxes.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
There is absolutely a consequence for putting a false address on the enrollment form.
What is it?
Here are 45 pages of process and procedures for verifying *residency* -- absolutely nothing on verifying if you live in a boundary.
https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/OER_Handbook_02242023.pdf
Ok, so are you comfortable with me putting my friend's address on my lottery form to get into a school like Maury or Brent? I do pay taxes in DC, I own a home here. But it's zoned for another, less desirable school.
If it's fine for someone to use an address they own but don't live at, as long as they receive mail there, then why can't I use my friend's address as long as she's okay with me getting mail there? I could even "move in" for a long weekend while they are out of town, so it's like I lived there.
I'm guessing a lot of people will argue that's not okay, but all the arguments in favor of claiming to live somewhere you don't, as long as you can jump through Osse's hoops, still apply. So what is the difference?
If you arranged to meet OSSE's residency verification paperwork requirements for your friend's address, you could probably get away with it. That is a completely different issue for whether it's "fine".
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:When you sign the DC residency verification form this is what you are agreeing to:
• I certify that I am the adult student or the student’s legal parent, guardian, custodian, or Other Primary Caregiver and am submitting valid and proper residency documentation accordingly or have identified myself as a non-resident and understand the required tuition agreement and tuition payment needed for enrollment.
• I certify that I have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District, defined as the “actual occupation and inhabitance of a place of abode with the intent to dwell for a continuous period of time”; and I am submitting valid and proper documentation to verify residency, as set forth in 5A DCMR § 5004; or, I have identified myself as a non-resident and will complete the required tuition agreement and tuition payment.
• I consent to the disclosure of whether I was determined to meet the residency requirements for any government funded financial assistance program (such as, Medicaid, TANF, or SNAP) in which I am enrolled for the sole purpose of verifying District residency for DC public or charter school enrollment. By signing below, I am saying: I authorize OSSE to obtain my personally identifiable DC residency status information from other state or federal agencies, including but not limited to, the DC Department of Human Services (DHS), the DC Housing Authority (DCHA), and the Department of Health Care Finance (DHCF). OSSE will protect my information and follow all applicable laws regarding the protection and use of this information.
• I understand that enrollment of the above-named student in District of Columbia Public Schools, public charter schools, or other schools providing educational services funded by the District of Columbia is based on my representation of bona-fide DC residency, including this sworn statement of physical presence and my submission of valid and proper documentation verifying residency or by completion of a tuition agreement and tuition payments.
• I understand that even if the documentation I provide appears to be satisfactory, OSSE or school officials, with reasonable basis, may seek further information to verify the student’s residency or the Other Primary Caregiver status of the adult enrolling the student.
• If the District of Columbia, through OSSE, determines that I am not a resident or an approved non-resident under 5A DCMR § 5007, I understand that I am liable for payment of retroactive tuition for the student, and that the student may be withdrawn from school.
• I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.
• I understand that this form and all supporting documentation to this form, including all other OSSE forms used to verify residency, will be retained by the school. I consent to their disclosure to OSSE, external auditors, and other District agencies including but not limited to the DC Office of the Inspector General and the DC Office of the Attorney General, upon request, for the purposes of ensuring the accuracy of my District residency.
• I understand that the District of Columbia may use whatever legal means it has at its disposal to verify my residence.
• I agree to notify the school of any change of residence for myself or the student within three school days of such change and complete a DC Residency Verification Form.
Residency/boundary fraudsters, just because you haven't been caught (yet) doesn't mean that you aren't committing a crime and facing potential fines and imprisonment.
Residency fraud is a crime. "Boundary fraud" is a phrase that appears nowhere on the OSSE website and you cannot will it into being no matter how much it bothers you.
Anonymous wrote:When you sign the DC residency verification form this is what you are agreeing to:
• I certify that I am the adult student or the student’s legal parent, guardian, custodian, or Other Primary Caregiver and am submitting valid and proper residency documentation accordingly or have identified myself as a non-resident and understand the required tuition agreement and tuition payment needed for enrollment.
• I certify that I have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District, defined as the “actual occupation and inhabitance of a place of abode with the intent to dwell for a continuous period of time”; and I am submitting valid and proper documentation to verify residency, as set forth in 5A DCMR § 5004; or, I have identified myself as a non-resident and will complete the required tuition agreement and tuition payment.
• I consent to the disclosure of whether I was determined to meet the residency requirements for any government funded financial assistance program (such as, Medicaid, TANF, or SNAP) in which I am enrolled for the sole purpose of verifying District residency for DC public or charter school enrollment. By signing below, I am saying: I authorize OSSE to obtain my personally identifiable DC residency status information from other state or federal agencies, including but not limited to, the DC Department of Human Services (DHS), the DC Housing Authority (DCHA), and the Department of Health Care Finance (DHCF). OSSE will protect my information and follow all applicable laws regarding the protection and use of this information.
• I understand that enrollment of the above-named student in District of Columbia Public Schools, public charter schools, or other schools providing educational services funded by the District of Columbia is based on my representation of bona-fide DC residency, including this sworn statement of physical presence and my submission of valid and proper documentation verifying residency or by completion of a tuition agreement and tuition payments.
• I understand that even if the documentation I provide appears to be satisfactory, OSSE or school officials, with reasonable basis, may seek further information to verify the student’s residency or the Other Primary Caregiver status of the adult enrolling the student.
• If the District of Columbia, through OSSE, determines that I am not a resident or an approved non-resident under 5A DCMR § 5007, I understand that I am liable for payment of retroactive tuition for the student, and that the student may be withdrawn from school.
• I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.
• I understand that this form and all supporting documentation to this form, including all other OSSE forms used to verify residency, will be retained by the school. I consent to their disclosure to OSSE, external auditors, and other District agencies including but not limited to the DC Office of the Inspector General and the DC Office of the Attorney General, upon request, for the purposes of ensuring the accuracy of my District residency.
• I understand that the District of Columbia may use whatever legal means it has at its disposal to verify my residence.
• I agree to notify the school of any change of residence for myself or the student within three school days of such change and complete a DC Residency Verification Form.
Residency/boundary fraudsters, just because you haven't been caught (yet) doesn't mean that you aren't committing a crime and facing potential fines and imprisonment.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You have got to be kidding. There are no 'sophisticated data approaches.' OSSE is not systematically comparing court records and car registrations with submitted documents. They have neither the staffing levels nor the technical expertise, and probably not the interest, either. Yes, it's very hard that somewhere, people are getting away with behavior you don't like. I think the residency fraud is truly egregious, and I very much wish OSSE would do more, but I'm not making up a whole structure for how those people are actually going to get punished. Most of them won't! It sucks!
Anonymous wrote:When you sign the DC residency verification form this is what you are agreeing to:
• I certify that I am the adult student or the student’s legal parent, guardian, custodian, or Other Primary Caregiver and am submitting valid and proper residency documentation accordingly or have identified myself as a non-resident and understand the required tuition agreement and tuition payment needed for enrollment.
• I certify that I have established and will maintain a physical presence in the District, defined as the “actual occupation and inhabitance of a place of abode with the intent to dwell for a continuous period of time”; and I am submitting valid and proper documentation to verify residency, as set forth in 5A DCMR § 5004; or, I have identified myself as a non-resident and will complete the required tuition agreement and tuition payment.
• I consent to the disclosure of whether I was determined to meet the residency requirements for any government funded financial assistance program (such as, Medicaid, TANF, or SNAP) in which I am enrolled for the sole purpose of verifying District residency for DC public or charter school enrollment. By signing below, I am saying: I authorize OSSE to obtain my personally identifiable DC residency status information from other state or federal agencies, including but not limited to, the DC Department of Human Services (DHS), the DC Housing Authority (DCHA), and the Department of Health Care Finance (DHCF). OSSE will protect my information and follow all applicable laws regarding the protection and use of this information.
• I understand that enrollment of the above-named student in District of Columbia Public Schools, public charter schools, or other schools providing educational services funded by the District of Columbia is based on my representation of bona-fide DC residency, including this sworn statement of physical presence and my submission of valid and proper documentation verifying residency or by completion of a tuition agreement and tuition payments.
• I understand that even if the documentation I provide appears to be satisfactory, OSSE or school officials, with reasonable basis, may seek further information to verify the student’s residency or the Other Primary Caregiver status of the adult enrolling the student.
• If the District of Columbia, through OSSE, determines that I am not a resident or an approved non-resident under 5A DCMR § 5007, I understand that I am liable for payment of retroactive tuition for the student, and that the student may be withdrawn from school.
• I understand that if I provide false information or documentation, I can be referred to DC Office of the Inspector General for criminal prosecution or to the DC Office of the Attorney General for prosecution under the False Claims Act and under DC Code § 38-312 which provides that any person who knowingly supplies false information to a public official in connection with student residency verification shall be subject to payment of a fine of not more than $2,000 or imprisonment for not more than 90 days, but not both a fine and imprisonment.
• I understand that this form and all supporting documentation to this form, including all other OSSE forms used to verify residency, will be retained by the school. I consent to their disclosure to OSSE, external auditors, and other District agencies including but not limited to the DC Office of the Inspector General and the DC Office of the Attorney General, upon request, for the purposes of ensuring the accuracy of my District residency.
• I understand that the District of Columbia may use whatever legal means it has at its disposal to verify my residence.
• I agree to notify the school of any change of residence for myself or the student within three school days of such change and complete a DC Residency Verification Form.
Residency/boundary fraudsters, just because you haven't been caught (yet) doesn't mean that you aren't committing a crime and facing potential fines and imprisonment.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
There is absolutely a consequence for putting a false address on the enrollment form.
What is it?
Here are 45 pages of process and procedures for verifying *residency* -- absolutely nothing on verifying if you live in a boundary.
https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/OER_Handbook_02242023.pdf
Ok, so are you comfortable with me putting my friend's address on my lottery form to get into a school like Maury or Brent? I do pay taxes in DC, I own a home here. But it's zoned for another, less desirable school.
If it's fine for someone to use an address they own but don't live at, as long as they receive mail there, then why can't I use my friend's address as long as she's okay with me getting mail there? I could even "move in" for a long weekend while they are out of town, so it's like I lived there.
I'm guessing a lot of people will argue that's not okay, but all the arguments in favor of claiming to live somewhere you don't, as long as you can jump through Osse's hoops, still apply. So what is the difference?
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
There is absolutely a consequence for putting a false address on the enrollment form.
What is it?
Here are 45 pages of process and procedures for verifying *residency* -- absolutely nothing on verifying if you live in a boundary.
https://osse.dc.gov/sites/default/files/dc/sites/osse/publication/attachments/OER_Handbook_02242023.pdf
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
There is absolutely a consequence for putting a false address on the enrollment form.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.
You are missing the point. There is no consequence for this for boundary fraud, except possibly losing your feeder pattern. There is a consequence for residency fraud.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It’s a gray area, especially if parents continue using the original address with DCPS. But if you own residential DC real estate that you don’t formally rent out, do what you want when registering in boundary. Just make sure that you pick up mail at the property you use for school residency regularly. In our experience, things will work out if you cover your bases on the residency docs and mail collection fronts. Asking permission from DCPS is the last thing you want to do, OP. Opening that can of worms would be naive and dumb.
Translation: If you commit residency fraud, don’t tell anyone and cover your tracks.
Same advice that criminals follow.
So get those boundary cheating criminals arrested then. Report them! Lobby for them to be busted, fine, jailed.
So nobody have anything better to worry about? These parents own these properties so they pick up mail at them if they wish. For all you know, they lived in the properties whose addresses they use for enrollment at the time of enrollment. Yawn.
DC, after year of complaints about out of state students, finally cracked down in roughly 2015-2016.
A Maryland couple who fraudulently enrolled three children in top D.C. public schools for a decade must pay the city more than $500,000 in fines, Attorney General Karl Racine announced Thursday.
The parents, both D.C. police officers, lived at various locations in Maryland and Virginia while their children attended D.C. schools between 2003 and 2013, according to the attorney general’s office. The husband owned a home in Northeast that he rented to tenants, using that address to enroll the couple’s children in some of the city’s most coveted public schools — a violation of city law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/md-family-that-sent-kids-to-dc-public-schools-must-pay-more-than-500000-fine/2016/07/28/b7f3656c-54eb-11e6-b7de-dfe509430c39_story.html
Seems like you can't claim an address that you rent out as your primary residence. As quoted, a violation of city laws.
The larger problem is that DC looked into this once and tried to make a statement with fines. The problem is there is no enforcement now.
Wow. Some posters on this thread could be looking at hundreds of thousands of dollars in fines. I wonder if the AG’s office is reading this?
That was residency fraud. They lived in Maryland.
+1. Posters are still conflating residency and boundary. They can and do come after residency fraud. They do not come after boundary fraud.
You’re really missing the point. YES DC cares most about residency fraud. Which means that they will increasingly investigate it, including by using more sophisticated data approaches that identify students who do not appear to live at the OSSE provided address through matching up other addresses used by the parent in many other datasets (mail, subscriptions, court records, car registrations, etc.) Once they suspect you listed a fake address what do you think happens? They investigate you. Because you listed a fake address and they do not know if you live in DC or MD. Because again, to repeat, you listed a fake address. And this is the point where you decide whether to double down on your lie or confess that you lied on the form, the form that you signed and attested to its truthfulness.