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Anonymous wrote:Be careful with open ended phrases like "generally accepted." It is generally accepted that the Earth is a sphere but there are still a few million people who insist that it is flat.

Here in the United States of America the service academies are hallowed halls. You may not think so but you are in the minority and, in a sense, a Flat Earther.

Cue up all the statistics you like. The measure here for this particular thread is "prestige" and the service academies do enjoy widespread respect and admiration.

A campaign of anonymous snark on DCUM will not move the needle there

I think you live in your own special version of the United States of America; regardless, while appointments to the service academies are respected, the schools are not considered prestigious.

I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, or if you wish others had the same admiration for the military that you clearly do, but the service academies aren't considered "prestigious" - whether it's West Point or the Naval Academy, much less the Air Force Academy or the Coast Guard Academy.

Hugs.

My spouse comes from a country where the military (militias, really) are entirely conscripted. They are always undereducated, frequently untrained, and usually unfed unless they are in combat. The idea of a professional soldier that adheres to a formal code-of-conduct - or of leaders that have an education in history, philosophy, law, rhetoric, etc. is so utterly foreign to them they just can't "get it."

My family - which has graduates from Berkeley, Georgetown, Stanford and Johns Hopkins AND West Point - tries keeps the big picture in mind. We are proud of each one of them.

I will see two of them this weekend and will happily share your hug.

Anonymous wrote:Be careful with open ended phrases like "generally accepted." It is generally accepted that the Earth is a sphere but there are still a few million people who insist that it is flat.

Here in the United States of America the service academies are hallowed halls. You may not think so but you are in the minority and, in a sense, a Flat Earther.

Cue up all the statistics you like. The measure here for this particular thread is "prestige" and the service academies do enjoy widespread respect and admiration.

A campaign of anonymous snark on DCUM will not move the needle there

I think you live in your own special version of the United States of America; regardless, while appointments to the service academies are respected, the schools are not considered prestigious.

I'm sorry if that doesn't sit well with you, or if you wish others had the same admiration for the military that you clearly do, but the service academies aren't considered "prestigious" - whether it's West Point or the Naval Academy, much less the Air Force Academy or the Coast Guard Academy.

Hugs.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame ahead of Brown & Chicago. Ouch.

Not surprising to me. Notre Dame has the 7th largest endowment of any university, right behind UPenn. If anything it seems they are underperforming for the money and resources they have.

For context, Notre Dame has ~3x the endowment of Brown, and ~2x of UChicago.

Anonymous wrote:Notre Dame ahead of Brown & Chicago. Ouch.

Not surprising to me. Notre Dame has the 7th largest endowment of any university, right behind UPenn. If anything it seems they are underperforming for the money and resources they have.

Notre Dame ahead of Brown & Chicago. Ouch.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."

After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.

Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.

Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton

A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech

A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)

You're providing PP's point. There's no "consensus T15 schools."

That's fair, but there was the aggregate rank shared somewhere earlier. To pull it back up, it gives a reasonable idea of what an overall T15 could look like:

So Brown would be a very average school without the Ivy tag

To be honest… yes. What do they actually excel in academically?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."

After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.

Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.

Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton

A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech

A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)

You're providing PP's point. There's no "consensus T15 schools."

That's fair, but there was the aggregate rank shared somewhere earlier. To pull it back up, it gives a reasonable idea of what an overall T15 could look like:

So Brown would be a very average school without the Ivy tag

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."

After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.

Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.

Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton

A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech

A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)

You're providing PP's point. There's no "consensus T15 schools."

That's fair, but there was the aggregate rank shared somewhere earlier. To pull it back up, it gives a reasonable idea of what an overall T15 could look like:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."

After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.

Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.

Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton

A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech

A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)

You're providing PP's point. There's no "consensus T15 schools."

Anonymous wrote:The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."

After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.

Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.

Even within Ivies, it's more restricted to HYP and maybe Wharton

A noncontroversial definition would be to just include HYPSM and Caltech

A broader elite college definition I think would include the consensus T15 schools (Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Caltech, Duke, Northwestern, Chicago, JHU)

Anonymous wrote:Be careful with open ended phrases like "generally accepted." It is generally accepted that the Earth is a sphere but there are still a few million people who insist that it is flat.

Here in the United States of America the service academies are hallowed halls. You may not think so but you are in the minority and, in a sense, a Flat Earther.

Cue up all the statistics you like. The measure here for this particular thread is "prestige" and the service academies do enjoy widespread respect and admiration.

A campaign of anonymous snark on DCUM will not move the needle there

I wonder if this is more community-specific than you think. My husband comes from a military family and they hold that kind of regard. I did not, and they were never even a blip on the screen of my college-educated, professional family. Just not in the sphere of where you think about college, what colleges you value etc.

Be careful with open ended phrases like "generally accepted." It is generally accepted that the Earth is a sphere but there are still a few million people who insist that it is flat.

Here in the United States of America the service academies are hallowed halls. You may not think so but you are in the minority and, in a sense, a Flat Earther.

Cue up all the statistics you like. The measure here for this particular thread is "prestige" and the service academies do enjoy widespread respect and admiration.

A campaign of anonymous snark on DCUM will not move the needle there

The Ivies, MIT, and Stanford are generally accepted as "prestigious."

After that, it's coming up with a longer list that gives a poster just enough cover to include their own school.

Keep in mind that "prestigious" is not the same as "good," "respected," or "competitive." It has a different connotation, yet one that posters here seem endlessly ready to fight over.

Anonymous wrote:I hate to say it, but the caliber of students at West Point and Annapolis is not the same as it was decades ago. Lot of lackluster kids who enter the civilian workforce IME.

Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech are elite.

You sure say it often enough!

I hate to say it, but the caliber of students at West Point and Annapolis is not the same as it was decades ago. Lot of lackluster kids who enter the civilian workforce IME.

Ivies, MIT, Stanford, Chicago, Northwestern, Duke, Caltech are elite.