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Post 02/28/2023 12:25     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.


hamilton and wake are not the same tier


Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.


I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.


Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.


If you apply early to Wake, they will admit same students getting admitted to Tulane early. No way Wake is harder admit.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 12:23     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.


hamilton and wake are not the same tier


Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.


I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.


Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.


Wake is great but there is NO comparison to Vandy. At all
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Post 02/28/2023 12:22     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Interesting since Hamilton got 10,000 applications last year. Similar to Vassar.


I wouldn’t call either hot schools.


A good education never goes out of style


Sure, I was not commenting on the quality of the school, just the popularity. SLACs are the best bet coming from a rigorous private as they understand the grading scales.
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Post 02/28/2023 12:09     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?

Interesting since Hamilton got 10,000 applications last year. Similar to Vassar.


I wouldn’t call either hot schools.


A good education never goes out of style
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Post 02/28/2023 12:04     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.




I would definitely say a kid that is accepted by Wake would be accepted by Hamilton. However it is a very limited group of kids that wants to go to a small school in upstate NY. For whatever reason, Colgate is much more popular despite similar geography.


Interesting since Hamilton got 10,000 applications last year. Similar to Vassar.


I wouldn’t call either hot schools.
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Post 02/28/2023 12:03     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.




I would definitely say a kid that is accepted by Wake would be accepted by Hamilton. However it is a very limited group of kids that wants to go to a small school in upstate NY. For whatever reason, Colgate is much more popular despite similar geography.


Interesting since Hamilton got 10,000 applications last year. Similar to Vassar.
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Post 02/28/2023 12:03     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.


hamilton and wake are not the same tier


Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.


I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.


Vandy is a far more competitive admit than Emory, which has a relatively high ED admit rate. Emory is more competitive than Wake, but Wake had had a bigger increase in apps over past two years and catching up,
. Tulane is easier admit than Wake.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:58     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.


hamilton and wake are not the same tier


Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.


I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.



I would definitely say a kid that is accepted by Wake would be accepted by Hamilton. However it is a very limited group of kids that wants to go to a small school in upstate NY. For whatever reason, Colgate is much more popular despite similar geography.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:55     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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My B kid, from a MoCo public school, got into a school on that tier
ED in December. If I had to guess the reason: High testing (1530/35), 10 APs, ED, Full pay.


which tier?


Guessing this is Wake, Lehigh or Bucknell.


Lehigh or Bucknell much easier to get into than Wake.


Not true. Their admit percentages are higher but their enrolled student metrics are about the same. And if you look at engineering admits for Lehigh and Bucknell vs Wake, significantly higher.


I am just talking about competitiveness of the admit from our private. Much easier to get into Lehigh and Bucknell. By a significant margin.
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Post 02/28/2023 11:53     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.


hamilton and wake are not the same tier


Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.


I suggest you look at actual data. ALL those schools are much more selective than they used to be but Emory and Vanderbilt (especially Vanderbilt) are significantly more difficult to get into than Wake or Tulane. Hamilton also used to be easier to get into and is not more selective. Hard to compare SLACS to universities, but I would never if a kid can get into Wake they can get into Hamilton.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:45     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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My B kid, from a MoCo public school, got into a school on that tier
ED in December. If I had to guess the reason: High testing (1530/35), 10 APs, ED, Full pay.


which tier?


Guessing this is Wake, Lehigh or Bucknell.


Lehigh or Bucknell much easier to get into than Wake.


Not true. Their admit percentages are higher but their enrolled student metrics are about the same. And if you look at engineering admits for Lehigh and Bucknell vs Wake, significantly higher.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:41     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


I agree. And not only Big 3, but also B kids from the top MoCo publics (Whitman, Churchill, WJ etc) who have 1450+ SAT / 33+ ACT and are ED /full pay.
They consistently get into the Bates/Hamilton/Colby/Wake/Lehigh/Bucknell tier.


hamilton and wake are not the same tier


Hamilton is a bit more selective but not by much. The southern former
Regional/mid tier schools have gotten much more competitive over the last few decades. Wake, Tulane, Emory - even Vanderbilt; all had very very modest admission standards back in my day. Not anymore.
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:32     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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My B kid, from a MoCo public school, got into a school on that tier
ED in December. If I had to guess the reason: High testing (1530/35), 10 APs, ED, Full pay.


which tier?


Bottom end of Top 50
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:29     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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Anonymous wrote:We aren’t talking about any B students, we are talking about kids coming from academically rigorous schools known to have grade deflation. SLACs in particular are very familiar with these schools and admit their students. People saying no way just aren’t familiar with the admission patterns from those schools.


What happened to 'you are compared against other kids in your school and not across schools' or is that limited to richsplaining to public school kids why they didn't get into UVA although they had a 4.4/1600? Does that not apply to your special snowflake because they went to the magical 'big three'? Do you expect all colleges to take everyone that applies from THE 'big three'? Some sort of rich person grifty expectation, perhaps.

A 'B' is still a 'B'.


Sorry but not really. A “B” from Sidwell or STA is simply different than a B from Quince Orchard HS. Qualitatively.
And the good colleges know it. I’ve seen many, many examples of even C+ kids from top privates go on to
Mid-level LACs and completely slay it academically. Then they end up in top Med, law, b-schools etc.


+1. The so-called As from many public high schools will eventually catch up with you.


Do they? What does the data say?
Anonymous
Post 02/28/2023 11:17     Subject: Re:Where do "B" average Big-3 students go to college?
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My B kid, from a MoCo public school, got into a school on that tier
ED in December. If I had to guess the reason: High testing (1530/35), 10 APs, ED, Full pay.


which tier?


Guessing this is Wake, Lehigh or Bucknell.


Lehigh or Bucknell much easier to get into than Wake.