I also think it's pretty rich that the OP who thinks the health care worker pleading with people to wear masks and take extra safety precautions is "abusive" is the same person calling people who disagree with them "psychopaths." Pot, kettle.

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Anonymous wrote:If you call virtue signalling having to see people literally die and/or have a stroke in their 50s w/o any other underlying conditions other than a recent COVID infection, by all means, I'll own the virtue signalling.

The question is, why does it offend you?

I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID.

Here is what I recommend:

1. Wear a well-fitting, high quality mask (KN95 or N95) during surges in all indoor settings when mixing with non household members.

2. Test before gathering with non-household members

3. Do 1 and 2 to keep schools and daycares open

4. Do 1 and 2 so I can do my job in hospitals.

Again, sorry if this offends you

OP here. Thank you for sharing. Speaking specially to your post, I appreciate you being specific about what you want. I'm sorry that things in healthcare settings are difficult right now. What "offends" me about your specific post is basically the implication that COVID (and the flu, and RSV) is the fault of anyone who is engaging in indoor dining in restaurants/indoor activities with people they don't know and can't be sure are testing. And I'm curious - aside from the fact that we're going on three years, which is a long time for people to avoid these types of activities (my child was 12 months old when the pandemic hit, which means these have been three very key years in her social development and yes it has impacted her very much), it also means that many businesses and their employees lose their livelihoods. I know I know, how can I possibly put MONEY above PEOPLE'S LIVES. I think that's a pretty dumb and selfish argument because you're not the one who can't put food on the table.

So I think we can agree that you think I am a terrible person, and I think that's quite unfair at this point.

Wow. You're talking to someone dealing with death on the front lines and you're offended by "the implication[s]" of their post that "you think I am a terrible person" -- which they never said, it's just you're own guilt talking I guess. I think you should try to do better.

The PP literally said "people like you" (referring to me) are responsible for the hospital surge. The PP knows nothing about me or my family. That type if discourse is not true or helpful. It's abusive.

NP - I'm just really impressed by your ability, OP, to take a post where a health care worker talks about how difficult they've had it over the past 3 years and make it All About You.

OP is the true martyr here, everyone!

Who do you think the PP was referring to with this quote? "I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID"

Do you think that is helpful? Do you think it will change anyone's mind?

Hey OP -- your post put "warns" re the dangers of covid in quotes.

Do you not think that covid is dangerous?

Then you get offended when a health care worker answers your question precisely as asked and tells you just what they want you to do. Of course, you don't want to do it, so you get offended more.

I think you should do some self-reflection. jmho

You keep saying that. Is that all you've got?

I’m a DP who said it earlier, so I think more than one person is noticing a lack of self awareness.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

What?! No this is very much not a fringe hypothesis.
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/154886

*Your use of the word theory instead of hypothesis really highlights how ignorant you probably are on this or any other science-related topic.

DP what is "fringe" about AJ Leonardi is he is taking what happens in certain people with long COVID and assumes it happens to everyone who gets COVID, which is demonstrably and obviously false.

I think it’s fairly plausible. Look at Singapore study. https://www.moh.gov.sg/docs/librariesprovider5/resources-statistics/reports/report-on-excess-mortality-during-the-covid-pandemic-18sep2022.pdf

Excess deaths have been linked to a Covid infection within the last 90 days.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

What?! No this is very much not a fringe hypothesis.
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/154886

*Your use of the word theory instead of hypothesis really highlights how ignorant you probably are on this or any other science-related topic.

From the linked study: “ In conclusion, data to date strongly suggest that some severe COVID-19 cases can be explained by preexisting autoantibodies (which, interestingly, confer a risk similar to that conferred by rare inborn genetic errors in the same pathways). With regard to de novo autoantibody formation, a variety of such antibodies are detected when patients are hospitalized with severe COVID-19; however, there is still work to be done to determine whether these antibodies are important contributors to severe disease or an epiphenomenon of the marked inflammation.”

How do the results support the statement above that “The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years.”

You picked a side, posted from that side, and have been subsequently defending that side and belittling those that don't agree with you ever since as being overly anxious and unreasonable.

I don't know how to spell it out for you more clearly. You disagree with the health care worker and others re what behavior is reasonable to expect to protect one another, and are posting from that point of view. You are blaming people who are still taking precautions and who want other people to take more precautions for being unreasonable. They are blaming people who don't take precautions because they don't think covid is dangerous anymore for causing the surge.

I think you have basically said that you eat indoors in restaurants without testing and don't know whether other people around you have tested or are symptomatic (I think you probably do this because you think expecting someone not to do this is unreasonable). So you aren't THAT careful. That's at least one thing the health care worker asks people to do that you don't do. Are there others? Seems like you do fall into the category of people who aren't doing everything that person asked for, yet you're still hiding behind "you don't know how careful I am, I'm plenty careful, so leave me alone!" Do you do everything on their list?

I do not think you are changing anyone's mind, but ymmv.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

What?! No this is very much not a fringe hypothesis.
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/154886

*Your use of the word theory instead of hypothesis really highlights how ignorant you probably are on this or any other science-related topic.

DP what is "fringe" about AJ Leonardi is he is taking what happens in certain people with long COVID and assumes it happens to everyone who gets COVID, which is demonstrably and obviously false.

So you aren't actually reading the literature. Got it.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

NP - this is very much NOT a fringe theory. I’m in the healthcare profession and almost every infectious disease doctor I know thinks this is plausible. The wishing that Covid is a minor disease with little consequence is dangerous.

And to answer your question OP- I’m relatively Covid cautious but hi no means the most cautious person. I don’t care what other people do, but I have found most people I know aren’t educated about Covid so if I post something, it’s not to change someone’s behavior but just to inform people who otherwise wouldn’t know something.

And all the doctors you know would never consider the vaccine problematic

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Anonymous wrote:If you call virtue signalling having to see people literally die and/or have a stroke in their 50s w/o any other underlying conditions other than a recent COVID infection, by all means, I'll own the virtue signalling.

The question is, why does it offend you?

I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID.

Here is what I recommend:

1. Wear a well-fitting, high quality mask (KN95 or N95) during surges in all indoor settings when mixing with non household members.

2. Test before gathering with non-household members

3. Do 1 and 2 to keep schools and daycares open

4. Do 1 and 2 so I can do my job in hospitals.

Again, sorry if this offends you

OP here. Thank you for sharing. Speaking specially to your post, I appreciate you being specific about what you want. I'm sorry that things in healthcare settings are difficult right now. What "offends" me about your specific post is basically the implication that COVID (and the flu, and RSV) is the fault of anyone who is engaging in indoor dining in restaurants/indoor activities with people they don't know and can't be sure are testing. And I'm curious - aside from the fact that we're going on three years, which is a long time for people to avoid these types of activities (my child was 12 months old when the pandemic hit, which means these have been three very key years in her social development and yes it has impacted her very much), it also means that many businesses and their employees lose their livelihoods. I know I know, how can I possibly put MONEY above PEOPLE'S LIVES. I think that's a pretty dumb and selfish argument because you're not the one who can't put food on the table.

So I think we can agree that you think I am a terrible person, and I think that's quite unfair at this point.

Wow. You're talking to someone dealing with death on the front lines and you're offended by "the implication[s]" of their post that "you think I am a terrible person" -- which they never said, it's just you're own guilt talking I guess. I think you should try to do better.

The PP literally said "people like you" (referring to me) are responsible for the hospital surge. The PP knows nothing about me or my family. That type if discourse is not true or helpful. It's abusive.

Your scare quotes around "warn" were totally warranted and normal, but the health care talking about people who aren't taking covid seriously causing the surge they are seeing firsthand is "abusive" lol okay.

Actually they didn't refer to people who "aren't taking COVID seriously". They're referring to anyone who expresses frustration with the discourse among certain people who have made "taking COVID seriously" a part of their identity and who refuse to acknowledge that expecting healthy people to wear masks in any indoor setting, indefinitely is not realistic. Y'all can keep shouting about this and blaming people, when in fact COVID surges are widely acknowledged to NOT be driven by people's behavior including mask wearing. Do masks help? I'm sure they do, somewhat (given how most of the public wears them).

I do take COVID seriously, and made a lot of sacrifices that cost my child pretty seriously. Of course, you'll deny that I actually made any sacrifices, that's the discourse among you psychopaths. And it's not helpful. All you're doing is alienating people and making yourself sound crazy.

No. When you start a post like this with scare quotes around "warn" you have already taken the position that reasonable people don't warn others about covid anymore. Now you are arguing that a health care worker who asked people to take precautions and cast a little blame your way because of your obvious attitude is "abusive." Lol no.

I'll ask you the same questions you asked about the health care worker. Do you think your post is helpful? Do you think you are changing anyone's mind? I keep asking you to look inward because you keep failing to connect that you are doing exactly the same thing that you think is abusive when other people do it. You just think your point of view is right and theirs is wrong. Good luck with that.

No, putting the word "warn" in quotes is not the same thing as blaming random people you know nothing about for a hospital surge.

I'm sure you have a point you want to make here, but suggesting something so ridiculous makes it hard to discern what that is.

And I didn't post here to change anyone's mind. I posted to understand what exactly is the expectation. As I mentioned, I appreciated that the HCW PP actually answered my question, though they also blamed me for the hospital surge which is unnecessary and yes, abusive.

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Anonymous wrote:If you call virtue signalling having to see people literally die and/or have a stroke in their 50s w/o any other underlying conditions other than a recent COVID infection, by all means, I'll own the virtue signalling.

The question is, why does it offend you?

I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID.

Here is what I recommend:

1. Wear a well-fitting, high quality mask (KN95 or N95) during surges in all indoor settings when mixing with non household members.

2. Test before gathering with non-household members

3. Do 1 and 2 to keep schools and daycares open

4. Do 1 and 2 so I can do my job in hospitals.

Again, sorry if this offends you

OP here. Thank you for sharing. Speaking specially to your post, I appreciate you being specific about what you want. I'm sorry that things in healthcare settings are difficult right now. What "offends" me about your specific post is basically the implication that COVID (and the flu, and RSV) is the fault of anyone who is engaging in indoor dining in restaurants/indoor activities with people they don't know and can't be sure are testing. And I'm curious - aside from the fact that we're going on three years, which is a long time for people to avoid these types of activities (my child was 12 months old when the pandemic hit, which means these have been three very key years in her social development and yes it has impacted her very much), it also means that many businesses and their employees lose their livelihoods. I know I know, how can I possibly put MONEY above PEOPLE'S LIVES. I think that's a pretty dumb and selfish argument because you're not the one who can't put food on the table.

So I think we can agree that you think I am a terrible person, and I think that's quite unfair at this point.

Wow. You're talking to someone dealing with death on the front lines and you're offended by "the implication[s]" of their post that "you think I am a terrible person" -- which they never said, it's just you're own guilt talking I guess. I think you should try to do better.

The PP literally said "people like you" (referring to me) are responsible for the hospital surge. The PP knows nothing about me or my family. That type if discourse is not true or helpful. It's abusive.

Your scare quotes around "warn" were totally warranted and normal, but the health care talking about people who aren't taking covid seriously causing the surge they are seeing firsthand is "abusive" lol okay.

Actually they didn't refer to people who "aren't taking COVID seriously". They're referring to anyone who expresses frustration with the discourse among certain people who have made "taking COVID seriously" a part of their identity and who refuse to acknowledge that expecting healthy people to wear masks in any indoor setting, indefinitely is not realistic. Y'all can keep shouting about this and blaming people, when in fact COVID surges are widely acknowledged to NOT be driven by people's behavior including mask wearing. Do masks help? I'm sure they do, somewhat (given how most of the public wears them).

I do take COVID seriously, and made a lot of sacrifices that cost my child pretty seriously. Of course, you'll deny that I actually made any sacrifices, that's the discourse among you psychopaths. And it's not helpful. All you're doing is alienating people and making yourself sound crazy.

No. When you start a post like this with scare quotes around "warn" you have already taken the position that reasonable people don't warn others about covid anymore. Now you are arguing that a health care worker who asked people to take precautions and cast a little blame your way because of your obvious attitude is "abusive." Lol no.

I'll ask you the same questions you asked about the health care worker. Do you think your post is helpful? Do you think you are changing anyone's mind? I keep asking you to look inward because you keep failing to connect that you are doing exactly the same thing that you think is abusive when other people do it. You just think your point of view is right and theirs is wrong. Good luck with that.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

What?! No this is very much not a fringe hypothesis.
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/154886

*Your use of the word theory instead of hypothesis really highlights how ignorant you probably are on this or any other science-related topic.

DP what is "fringe" about AJ Leonardi is he is taking what happens in certain people with long COVID and assumes it happens to everyone who gets COVID, which is demonstrably and obviously false.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

What?! No this is very much not a fringe hypothesis.
https://www.jci.org/articles/view/154886

*Your use of the word theory instead of hypothesis really highlights how ignorant you probably are on this or any other science-related topic.

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Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.

NP - this is very much NOT a fringe theory. I’m in the healthcare profession and almost every infectious disease doctor I know thinks this is plausible. The wishing that Covid is a minor disease with little consequence is dangerous.

And to answer your question OP- I’m relatively Covid cautious but hi no means the most cautious person. I don’t care what other people do, but I have found most people I know aren’t educated about Covid so if I post something, it’s not to change someone’s behavior but just to inform people who otherwise wouldn’t know something.

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Anonymous wrote:If you call virtue signalling having to see people literally die and/or have a stroke in their 50s w/o any other underlying conditions other than a recent COVID infection, by all means, I'll own the virtue signalling.

The question is, why does it offend you?

I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID.

Here is what I recommend:

1. Wear a well-fitting, high quality mask (KN95 or N95) during surges in all indoor settings when mixing with non household members.

2. Test before gathering with non-household members

3. Do 1 and 2 to keep schools and daycares open

4. Do 1 and 2 so I can do my job in hospitals.

Again, sorry if this offends you

OP here. Thank you for sharing. Speaking specially to your post, I appreciate you being specific about what you want. I'm sorry that things in healthcare settings are difficult right now. What "offends" me about your specific post is basically the implication that COVID (and the flu, and RSV) is the fault of anyone who is engaging in indoor dining in restaurants/indoor activities with people they don't know and can't be sure are testing. And I'm curious - aside from the fact that we're going on three years, which is a long time for people to avoid these types of activities (my child was 12 months old when the pandemic hit, which means these have been three very key years in her social development and yes it has impacted her very much), it also means that many businesses and their employees lose their livelihoods. I know I know, how can I possibly put MONEY above PEOPLE'S LIVES. I think that's a pretty dumb and selfish argument because you're not the one who can't put food on the table.

So I think we can agree that you think I am a terrible person, and I think that's quite unfair at this point.

Wow. You're talking to someone dealing with death on the front lines and you're offended by "the implication[s]" of their post that "you think I am a terrible person" -- which they never said, it's just you're own guilt talking I guess. I think you should try to do better.

The PP literally said "people like you" (referring to me) are responsible for the hospital surge. The PP knows nothing about me or my family. That type if discourse is not true or helpful. It's abusive.

NP - I'm just really impressed by your ability, OP, to take a post where a health care worker talks about how difficult they've had it over the past 3 years and make it All About You.

OP is the true martyr here, everyone!

Who do you think the PP was referring to with this quote? "I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID"

Do you think that is helpful? Do you think it will change anyone's mind?

Hey OP -- your post put "warns" re the dangers of covid in quotes.

Do you not think that covid is dangerous?

Then you get offended when a health care worker answers your question precisely as asked and tells you just what they want you to do. Of course, you don't want to do it, so you get offended more.

I think you should do some self-reflection. jmho

You keep saying that. Is that all you've got?

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Anonymous wrote:If you call virtue signalling having to see people literally die and/or have a stroke in their 50s w/o any other underlying conditions other than a recent COVID infection, by all means, I'll own the virtue signalling.

The question is, why does it offend you?

I am about to be slammed in the hospital yet again because people like you get so offended by COVID.

Here is what I recommend:

1. Wear a well-fitting, high quality mask (KN95 or N95) during surges in all indoor settings when mixing with non household members.

2. Test before gathering with non-household members

3. Do 1 and 2 to keep schools and daycares open

4. Do 1 and 2 so I can do my job in hospitals.

Again, sorry if this offends you

OP here. Thank you for sharing. Speaking specially to your post, I appreciate you being specific about what you want. I'm sorry that things in healthcare settings are difficult right now. What "offends" me about your specific post is basically the implication that COVID (and the flu, and RSV) is the fault of anyone who is engaging in indoor dining in restaurants/indoor activities with people they don't know and can't be sure are testing. And I'm curious - aside from the fact that we're going on three years, which is a long time for people to avoid these types of activities (my child was 12 months old when the pandemic hit, which means these have been three very key years in her social development and yes it has impacted her very much), it also means that many businesses and their employees lose their livelihoods. I know I know, how can I possibly put MONEY above PEOPLE'S LIVES. I think that's a pretty dumb and selfish argument because you're not the one who can't put food on the table.

So I think we can agree that you think I am a terrible person, and I think that's quite unfair at this point.

Wow. You're talking to someone dealing with death on the front lines and you're offended by "the implication[s]" of their post that "you think I am a terrible person" -- which they never said, it's just you're own guilt talking I guess. I think you should try to do better.

The PP literally said "people like you" (referring to me) are responsible for the hospital surge. The PP knows nothing about me or my family. That type if discourse is not true or helpful. It's abusive.

Your scare quotes around "warn" were totally warranted and normal, but the health care talking about people who aren't taking covid seriously causing the surge they are seeing firsthand is "abusive" lol okay.

Actually they didn't refer to people who "aren't taking COVID seriously". They're referring to anyone who expresses frustration with the discourse among certain people who have made "taking COVID seriously" a part of their identity and who refuse to acknowledge that expecting healthy people to wear masks in any indoor setting, indefinitely is not realistic. Y'all can keep shouting about this and blaming people, when in fact COVID surges are widely acknowledged to NOT be driven by people's behavior including mask wearing. Do masks help? I'm sure they do, somewhat (given how most of the public wears them).

I do take COVID seriously, and made a lot of sacrifices that cost my child pretty seriously. Of course, you'll deny that I actually made any sacrifices, that's the discourse among you psychopaths. And it's not helpful. All you're doing is alienating people and making yourself sound crazy.

Anonymous wrote:I believe that there are increasing studies from more than a few scientists now showing that covid -- even mild covid -- can cause severe autoimmunity disorder effects from its effects on your B and T cells, and that getting multiple cases of covid increases your chances of getting these effects. I think it used to be that just randos like AJ Leonardi on twitter were warning about this but others are coming out and joining him now.

Ignore the warnings if you want but that doesn't change the science. The science is saying that it would be good if people -- even vaccinated people -- try to protect one another from getting covid over and over again, because it ages your autoimmunity reactions by about 10 years. You can do this by wearing masks and cleaning the air in your house/workplace and trying not to infect other people when you're sick, as well as not going around very crowded places unnecessarily or eating inside restaurants. It isn't rocket science, but some people take eating inside restaurants to be an inalienable right that you will need to pry from their cold dead fingers (whereas personally I like to get takeout and watch Netflix with the fam, so win-win).

This is very much a fringe theory. It’s on the same level as ivermectin cures Covid.