Anonymous
11/16/2022 01:31
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
Disagree on the "spirit of the OP." And maybe if you are trying to be the "voice of reason" don't inject so such sneering snark that obviously devalues certain perspectives.
But anyway....
I agree completely that the enemy is family un-friendly policies that force parents to either go broke or send their (very) sick kids to school. So perhaps the people on this thread can turn their ire there, versus being consistently jack-holes to parents. Perhaps they can stop pretending that this is an individual, versus a collective, problem.
No, the spirit of the OP was please don't send your super sick kids to school. Read it again.
Sorry if you don't like the sneering but I am at my limit with stupid people these days. We are coming out of a pandemic and the privileged whiners in this area going on an on as though we were going to come through that somehow with no repercussions. They have to have their scapegoats. Right now people are so raw about illness-related stuff and school attendance because of the pandemic and they have become, frankly, irrational. It sucked. Our kids suffered...ALL our kids, but that does not excuse irresponsible behavior now or ever. There are many people who I feel for that send sick kids to school because they feel they have no choice. But there are also a-hats that send their kids to school because they just don't care. Some of them are on this thread.
So that's the thing...there are different kinds of people and some of them are jerks. It's okay to call out the jerks. I'm tired of this you cant' shame anyone nonsense. Shame serves a useful societal purpose in some cases. And this is not an all-or-nothing proposition.
DP. People are "irrational" because we spent the last two and half years with gong outside with a cough being treated like it was tantamount to murder. You can't now try to act like that history isn't there. People feel attacked because people were attacking them. Forget sending sick kids to school, we've been hearing that sending any kid to school was irresponsible. You also can't act like comments like this:
telling at a parent to keep a kid home who has been coughing for three weeks or this
Bullshit. He has SOMETHING, just not what he's been tested for. Thanks for passing whatever it is along to others.yelling a parent whose kid has allergies or thisStop with your crap! Care about others if your kid is sick keep them home thats the message!again directed at someone talking about lingering coughs.No, sick people should stay home and not spread it so these teachers don't have to work overtime to fix your selfish behavior. The spread needs to stop. Sick kids in school are not learning anything and just spreading their illness to others.
That's what's happening this thread. You can't disclaim all that but talking about irrational people who need to be shamed.
Dude calm down. It's DCUM. People don't read carefully. There is no nuance. And there are trolls.
Most rational people agree there is a discussion to be had about not sending kids who are newly or significantly sick and contagious to school. That was the plea of the OP. Despite this, some people still do it, either because they feel they have no choice due to work or because they are selfish jerks. It's one or the other. And we can point the finger at the selfish jerks who have options but do it anyway at the same time that we agree we should change things in this country so that people don't feel they have no choice due to work.
When I read the stuff you have quoted above I figure they either aren't understanding the post they are responding to or they are trolls, or they are a minority of really anxious people. The pandemic did a number on us all. Sounds like it did a number on you, too.
Anonymous
11/16/2022 01:26
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
Disagree on the "spirit of the OP." And maybe if you are trying to be the "voice of reason" don't inject so such sneering snark that obviously devalues certain perspectives.
But anyway....
I agree completely that the enemy is family un-friendly policies that force parents to either go broke or send their (very) sick kids to school. So perhaps the people on this thread can turn their ire there, versus being consistently jack-holes to parents. Perhaps they can stop pretending that this is an individual, versus a collective, problem.
No, the spirit of the OP was please don't send your super sick kids to school. Read it again.
Sorry if you don't like the sneering but I am at my limit with stupid people these days. We are coming out of a pandemic and the privileged whiners in this area going on an on as though we were going to come through that somehow with no repercussions. They have to have their scapegoats. Right now people are so raw about illness-related stuff and school attendance because of the pandemic and they have become, frankly, irrational. It sucked. Our kids suffered...ALL our kids, but that does not excuse irresponsible behavior now or ever. There are many people who I feel for that send sick kids to school because they feel they have no choice. But there are also a-hats that send their kids to school because they just don't care. Some of them are on this thread.
So that's the thing...there are different kinds of people and some of them are jerks. It's okay to call out the jerks. I'm tired of this you cant' shame anyone nonsense. Shame serves a useful societal purpose in some cases. And this is not an all-or-nothing proposition.
My kids did not suffer. If yours did look at what is going on in your home. We made it work. Ours are still home because of those who don’t think twice about their sick kids. So, don’t tell me about it when we are still being careful and I cannot send mine because if you. Most have a choice especially those on here.
WTF are you talking about? I don't send my kids to school sick. Didn't before. Don't know. But I am lucky in my flexibility at work. Not everyone has that flexibility.
And everyone suffered during the pandemic. You are another extreme poster, just on the other end, if you can't see that. Nobody's kids should still be home at this point unless they have a rare immune disease. If your kids (multiple) do, I'm sorry, but then you were dealing with that before Covid.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 14:32
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
When you have kids, you need to use your sick and annual leave for your kids and not be under some delusion you get all this vacation and other free time. Public schools are not child care. You need back up child care. If you have two working parents, more than likely, especially if you are on this board, you can afford it but choose to spend your money in other ways like travel, nice house in "good" school district, etc. and then expect free child care. There IS affordable child care. You just don't qualify for it because of your income level.
Public schools actually are meant to be child care so people can work.
No, not everyone on this board is in your income bracket.
No, not all children have parents that can afford back-up care (plus you can't hire sick care).
No, not everyone on this board is married.
You really have no ability to see outside of your judgement.
No, they are to educate. Most kids have two parents. If you are divorced and choose sole custody that is on you. You making those sick who cannot afford to take off is the issue. You are talking about those who cannot afford it but those are the very people you are making sick.
My income bracket. Ours is not high. We live in a house that you never would.
You clearly have flexibility if you are posting now.
You're not sending your kids to school because of your mental health issues, not your physical ones, to be clear. I can't imagine any parent depriving their children of in-person school for years on end for alleged health reasons who doesn't have a debilitating anxiety. Parents have always sent their kids to school in various degrees of sickness and they always will. It that doesn't work for you, fine, but stop acting like being indignant on a message board is somehow going to change anything and more importantly, stop blaming other parents for your anxiety. You should spend more time working on that because that's the only way your kids will see the inside of a classroom. I hope your kids have accepted that the rest of their childhoods will be had behind a computer screen because if you are waiting for a school environment where nobody is sick, you'll be waiting until hell freezes over.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 14:03
Subject: A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
WaPo piece addressing this today - or at least addressing the crappy position parents are in
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/11/15/work-absences-childcare/
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2022/11/15/work-absences-childcare/
Anonymous
11/15/2022 14:03
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
When you have kids, you need to use your sick and annual leave for your kids and not be under some delusion you get all this vacation and other free time. Public schools are not child care. You need back up child care. If you have two working parents, more than likely, especially if you are on this board, you can afford it but choose to spend your money in other ways like travel, nice house in "good" school district, etc. and then expect free child care. There IS affordable child care. You just don't qualify for it because of your income level.
Public schools actually are meant to be child care so people can work.
No, not everyone on this board is in your income bracket.
No, not all children have parents that can afford back-up care (plus you can't hire sick care).
No, not everyone on this board is married.
You really have no ability to see outside of your judgement.
No, they are to educate. Most kids have two parents. If you are divorced and choose sole custody that is on you. You making those sick who cannot afford to take off is the issue. You are talking about those who cannot afford it but those are the very people you are making sick.
My income bracket. Ours is not high. We live in a house that you never would.
You clearly have flexibility if you are posting now.
DP, but in a comment rife with stupid claims (as if choosing sole custody is the only imaginable reason a person would wind up a single parent), this is the dumbest. People have different levels of flexibility at the different times. You can imagine a job where a person has one day free to post on the internet but not another? There are jobs from doctor to construction worker that might be posting on DCUM one day and have to go to work the next. Is your imagination really that limited?
Anonymous
11/15/2022 14:01
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
Disagree on the "spirit of the OP." And maybe if you are trying to be the "voice of reason" don't inject so such sneering snark that obviously devalues certain perspectives.
But anyway....
I agree completely that the enemy is family un-friendly policies that force parents to either go broke or send their (very) sick kids to school. So perhaps the people on this thread can turn their ire there, versus being consistently jack-holes to parents. Perhaps they can stop pretending that this is an individual, versus a collective, problem.
No, the spirit of the OP was please don't send your super sick kids to school. Read it again.
Sorry if you don't like the sneering but I am at my limit with stupid people these days. We are coming out of a pandemic and the privileged whiners in this area going on an on as though we were going to come through that somehow with no repercussions. They have to have their scapegoats. Right now people are so raw about illness-related stuff and school attendance because of the pandemic and they have become, frankly, irrational. It sucked. Our kids suffered...ALL our kids, but that does not excuse irresponsible behavior now or ever. There are many people who I feel for that send sick kids to school because they feel they have no choice. But there are also a-hats that send their kids to school because they just don't care. Some of them are on this thread.
So that's the thing...there are different kinds of people and some of them are jerks. It's okay to call out the jerks. I'm tired of this you cant' shame anyone nonsense. Shame serves a useful societal purpose in some cases. And this is not an all-or-nothing proposition.
My kids did not suffer. If yours did look at what is going on in your home. We made it work. Ours are still home because of those who don’t think twice about their sick kids. So, don’t tell me about it when we are still being careful and I cannot send mine because if you. Most have a choice especially those on here.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:58
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
When you have kids, you need to use your sick and annual leave for your kids and not be under some delusion you get all this vacation and other free time. Public schools are not child care. You need back up child care. If you have two working parents, more than likely, especially if you are on this board, you can afford it but choose to spend your money in other ways like travel, nice house in "good" school district, etc. and then expect free child care. There IS affordable child care. You just don't qualify for it because of your income level.
Public schools actually are meant to be child care so people can work.
No, not everyone on this board is in your income bracket.
No, not all children have parents that can afford back-up care (plus you can't hire sick care).
No, not everyone on this board is married.
You really have no ability to see outside of your judgement.
No, they are to educate. Most kids have two parents. If you are divorced and choose sole custody that is on you. You making those sick who cannot afford to take off is the issue. You are talking about those who cannot afford it but those are the very people you are making sick.
My income bracket. Ours is not high. We live in a house that you never would.
You clearly have flexibility if you are posting now.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:56
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
When you have kids, you need to use your sick and annual leave for your kids and not be under some delusion you get all this vacation and other free time. Public schools are not child care. You need back up child care. If you have two working parents, more than likely, especially if you are on this board, you can afford it but choose to spend your money in other ways like travel, nice house in "good" school district, etc. and then expect free child care. There IS affordable child care. You just don't qualify for it because of your income level.
Can you point us to this affordable magical back up childcare that is available as needed?
Don’t forget - this affordable magical backup childcare is availabke for your sick kid - fever, flu, COVID, etc. Too sick from school? No problem! We can pay someone to take care of you.
It’s cool. I’m sure whatever caregiver that is offering to provide care to your sick kid has lots of employment options and freely chooses to do this work for the excellent compensation, and there’s no concern whatsoever about exposing that person and their families/housemates to whatever illness your kid has.
Do you have sick and annual leave? That is what it is for. Crummy is sending in your kids sick when others don’t have paid leave. You clearly have flexibility if you can post here during the day. Your kids, your responsibility.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:52
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
Disagree on the "spirit of the OP." And maybe if you are trying to be the "voice of reason" don't inject so such sneering snark that obviously devalues certain perspectives.
But anyway....
I agree completely that the enemy is family un-friendly policies that force parents to either go broke or send their (very) sick kids to school. So perhaps the people on this thread can turn their ire there, versus being consistently jack-holes to parents. Perhaps they can stop pretending that this is an individual, versus a collective, problem.
No, the spirit of the OP was please don't send your super sick kids to school. Read it again.
Sorry if you don't like the sneering but I am at my limit with stupid people these days. We are coming out of a pandemic and the privileged whiners in this area going on an on as though we were going to come through that somehow with no repercussions. They have to have their scapegoats. Right now people are so raw about illness-related stuff and school attendance because of the pandemic and they have become, frankly, irrational. It sucked. Our kids suffered...ALL our kids, but that does not excuse irresponsible behavior now or ever. There are many people who I feel for that send sick kids to school because they feel they have no choice. But there are also a-hats that send their kids to school because they just don't care. Some of them are on this thread.
So that's the thing...there are different kinds of people and some of them are jerks. It's okay to call out the jerks. I'm tired of this you cant' shame anyone nonsense. Shame serves a useful societal purpose in some cases. And this is not an all-or-nothing proposition.
DP. People are "irrational" because we spent the last two and half years with gong outside with a cough being treated like it was tantamount to murder. You can't now try to act like that history isn't there. People feel attacked because people were attacking them. Forget sending sick kids to school, we've been hearing that sending any kid to school was irresponsible. You also can't act like comments like this:
telling at a parent to keep a kid home who has been coughing for three weeks or this
Bullshit. He has SOMETHING, just not what he's been tested for. Thanks for passing whatever it is along to others.
yelling a parent whose kid has allergies or thisStop with your crap! Care about others if your kid is sick keep them home thats the message!
again directed at someone talking about lingering coughs.No, sick people should stay home and not spread it so these teachers don't have to work overtime to fix your selfish behavior. The spread needs to stop. Sick kids in school are not learning anything and just spreading their illness to others.
That's what's happening this thread. You can't disclaim all that but talking about irrational people who need to be shamed.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:33
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
When you have kids, you need to use your sick and annual leave for your kids and not be under some delusion you get all this vacation and other free time. Public schools are not child care. You need back up child care. If you have two working parents, more than likely, especially if you are on this board, you can afford it but choose to spend your money in other ways like travel, nice house in "good" school district, etc. and then expect free child care. There IS affordable child care. You just don't qualify for it because of your income level.
Can you point us to this affordable magical back up childcare that is available as needed?
Don’t forget - this affordable magical backup childcare is availabke for your sick kid - fever, flu, COVID, etc. Too sick from school? No problem! We can pay someone to take care of you.
It’s cool. I’m sure whatever caregiver that is offering to provide care to your sick kid has lots of employment options and freely chooses to do this work for the excellent compensation, and there’s no concern whatsoever about exposing that person and their families/housemates to whatever illness your kid has.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:26
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
[b]The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).[b]
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
This is exactly it. The total lack of support or regard for families in this country. It’s ridiculous.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:16
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
Disagree on the "spirit of the OP." And maybe if you are trying to be the "voice of reason" don't inject so such sneering snark that obviously devalues certain perspectives.
But anyway....
I agree completely that the enemy is family un-friendly policies that force parents to either go broke or send their (very) sick kids to school. So perhaps the people on this thread can turn their ire there, versus being consistently jack-holes to parents. Perhaps they can stop pretending that this is an individual, versus a collective, problem.
No, the spirit of the OP was please don't send your super sick kids to school. Read it again.
Sorry if you don't like the sneering but I am at my limit with stupid people these days. We are coming out of a pandemic and the privileged whiners in this area going on an on as though we were going to come through that somehow with no repercussions. They have to have their scapegoats. Right now people are so raw about illness-related stuff and school attendance because of the pandemic and they have become, frankly, irrational. It sucked. Our kids suffered...ALL our kids, but that does not excuse irresponsible behavior now or ever. There are many people who I feel for that send sick kids to school because they feel they have no choice. But there are also a-hats that send their kids to school because they just don't care. Some of them are on this thread.
So that's the thing...there are different kinds of people and some of them are jerks. It's okay to call out the jerks. I'm tired of this you cant' shame anyone nonsense. Shame serves a useful societal purpose in some cases. And this is not an all-or-nothing proposition.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:15
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
Disagree on the "spirit of the OP." And maybe if you are trying to be the "voice of reason" don't inject so such sneering snark that obviously devalues certain perspectives.
But anyway....
I agree completely that the enemy is family un-friendly policies that force parents to either go broke or send their (very) sick kids to school. So perhaps the people on this thread can turn their ire there, versus being consistently jack-holes to parents. Perhaps they can stop pretending that this is an individual, versus a collective, problem.
I completely agree with this too. But I can tell you, as a daycare worker, the amount of times that sick kids have been dropped off when their parents have the days off. More than I can count. Parents will medicate the kids, drop them off so they can go to the gym, shopping or whatever. It’s not just an issue with parents not having the leave at work. It is a mentality where their kids are not their problem M-F 7 to 5. Their sick kids are either the teachers problem or the daycare problems.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:14
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
I’m
Just feeling freaked out because I’m on week 3 straight of zero illnesses in my household. Zero. In NOVEMBER. My kids are 4 and 6.
I do not understand how this is possible?!!!!!
Is this just the calm before the storm?
Have I made a mistake by mentioning it at all?
We have never had a full straight week of no illness between October and April in the family since becoming parents.
Just feeling freaked out because I’m on week 3 straight of zero illnesses in my household. Zero. In NOVEMBER. My kids are 4 and 6.
I do not understand how this is possible?!!!!!
Is this just the calm before the storm?
Have I made a mistake by mentioning it at all?
We have never had a full straight week of no illness between October and April in the family since becoming parents.
Anonymous
11/15/2022 13:09
Subject: Re:A plea: please stop sending your sick kids to school
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:I'll reiterate that this thread, at base, is just about shaming parents.
So what. Sometimes people need to be shamed when they act badly.
Reading these threads are so depressing. People don't listen to each other. A teacher wants you to keep your kids home when they are contagious. The OP clarified they were talking about just a few days, not week, but you have pages of posters droning on and on about extremes.
People are selfish and stupid.
Yeah, there's that person that seems selfish and stupid going on about keeping kids home for colds.
That person apparently has no empathy for parents and can't think of the community.
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
But the spirit of the OP was about people who send their kids in too soon when they are truly sick (fever etc) and contagious.
And you have proven my point about the stupid in this thread of focusing on extremes. Ugh. Morons. Covid-pandemic brain rot....everyone is trying to keep my kids out of schoooooooooooooooooooooooooooool.
The real problem here is capitalism and family-UNfriendly policies that make it hard for so many parents to just stay home and care for sick children (or their sick selves).
So everyone can agree we should all elect representatives that will fight for more family-friendly maternity and sick-leave policies...right?? right!!??
The societal problems run much deeper than leave policies. Yes, we need more leave for everyone. But we also need jobs with workloads that allow the use of the leave. If you want sick kids to stay home, it must be easy for them to make up the work they miss. There needs to be affordable childcare for working parents who have exhausted their leave or for parents to use for the myriad school holidays so that they can avoid exhausting their leave for reasons not related to leisure or sickness. Public schools refuse to adjust, even in the slightest, to the reality that most families have two working parents. Impossible demands on the community lead to questionable decisions that undermine community health.
When you have kids, you need to use your sick and annual leave for your kids and not be under some delusion you get all this vacation and other free time. Public schools are not child care. You need back up child care. If you have two working parents, more than likely, especially if you are on this board, you can afford it but choose to spend your money in other ways like travel, nice house in "good" school district, etc. and then expect free child care. There IS affordable child care. You just don't qualify for it because of your income level.
Can you point us to this affordable magical back up childcare that is available as needed?
That will also accept sick children? Also, that somehow stops the spread of colds -- the sitter should not be able to give or get a cold, since the point is to 'stop the spread of colds'. Where is that service?