Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:26
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what I’m taking from this discussion is that forced birthers justify their draconian views on abortion by telling themselves that minors never get pregnant due to rape/incest and therefore there is no need for exceptions to abortion bans to protect them. If that’s incorrect, please explain how you reconcile your views with the repeated efforts in this discussion to deny that the fact pattern could have occurred.
Sad. We are saying that THIS particular case is a lie. And by lying, this doctor has done a ton of damage
And how would you feel if the case were real? After all, these kinds of pregnancies do happen. Do you believe that when it does happen, the victim should have access to abortion without having to splash her name and story all over the media to satisfy your desire for lurid details and confirmation that the 10 year old wasn’t just a little whore whom didn’t bother to use birth control?
We are talking about THIS CASE in particular which, as time goes on, looks more and more like a lie.
There are so many red flags here.... not to mention.... that Ohio does not have a "6 week ban" on abortions. They have a heartbeat law.
The left is losing credibility by trotting out fake stories to garner outrage. I just hope the activist doctor who started this whole thing is held accountable.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:25
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
I'm pretty sure they would want the child to marry her rapist and give the rapist custody rights over the child he raped and the child he conceived.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:24
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what I’m taking from this discussion is that forced birthers justify their draconian views on abortion by telling themselves that minors never get pregnant due to rape/incest and therefore there is no need for exceptions to abortion bans to protect them. If that’s incorrect, please explain how you reconcile your views with the repeated efforts in this discussion to deny that the fact pattern could have occurred.
Sad. We are saying that THIS particular case is a lie. And by lying, this doctor has done a ton of damage
Maybe the “pro-lifers” will put her on one of those lists they make of OB Gyns they don’t like.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:20
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:So what I’m taking from this discussion is that forced birthers justify their draconian views on abortion by telling themselves that minors never get pregnant due to rape/incest and therefore there is no need for exceptions to abortion bans to protect them. If that’s incorrect, please explain how you reconcile your views with the repeated efforts in this discussion to deny that the fact pattern could have occurred.
No, you pretty much nailed it.
And let’s be honest. We’ve all seen enough of the GOP/forced birther rape culture to know that if this girl had been outed under even slightly different circumstances, they would have defaulted to “she knew what she was getting into” or “she was asking for it,” same as they ever do.
The fact is that stories like this will become more likely, only as more states declare women to be non-people, the abortions won’t be obtained and we won’t hear about most of them. Just more misery in the world.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:20
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:So what I’m taking from this discussion is that forced birthers justify their draconian views on abortion by telling themselves that minors never get pregnant due to rape/incest and therefore there is no need for exceptions to abortion bans to protect them. If that’s incorrect, please explain how you reconcile your views with the repeated efforts in this discussion to deny that the fact pattern could have occurred.
Sad. We are saying that THIS particular case is a lie. And by lying, this doctor has done a ton of damage
And how would you feel if the case were real? After all, these kinds of pregnancies do happen. Do you believe that when it does happen, the victim should have access to abortion without having to splash her name and story all over the media to satisfy your desire for lurid details and confirmation that the 10 year old wasn’t just a little whore whom didn’t bother to use birth control?
Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:17
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:So what I’m taking from this discussion is that forced birthers justify their draconian views on abortion by telling themselves that minors never get pregnant due to rape/incest and therefore there is no need for exceptions to abortion bans to protect them. If that’s incorrect, please explain how you reconcile your views with the repeated efforts in this discussion to deny that the fact pattern could have occurred.
Sad. We are saying that THIS particular case is a lie. And by lying, this doctor has done a ton of damage
Anonymous
07/12/2022 15:15
Subject: Re:10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
So what I’m taking from this discussion is that forced birthers justify their draconian views on abortion by telling themselves that minors never get pregnant due to rape/incest and therefore there is no need for exceptions to abortion bans to protect them. If that’s incorrect, please explain how you reconcile your views with the repeated efforts in this discussion to deny that the fact pattern could have occurred.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 13:05
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
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No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
There must be a way to confirm that reports have been filed and an investigation has been opened without disclosing the details of it. If no reports have been filed, and no investigation has been opened, it's a bit fishy.
DP. No, there isn’t. Information about child victims of sex crimes is protected to the hilt to avoid inflicting further harm on the victim. No information about the case, even the fact of its existence, would be available to the public unless her parents decided to share it.
Not true. The DA could easily state that this happened without breaking any laws. Given parents are often implicated in cases like this, I don’t think they have much say
Anonymous
07/12/2022 13:05
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
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No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
There must be a way to confirm that reports have been filed and an investigation has been opened without disclosing the details of it. If no reports have been filed, and no investigation has been opened, it's a bit fishy.
DP. No, there isn’t. Information about child victims of sex crimes is protected to the hilt to avoid inflicting further harm on the victim. No information about the case, even the fact of its existence, would be available to the public unless her parents decided to share it.
But the information about this case has already been made available to the public through the doctor claims. She put it out there. You don't need to disclose anything identifying details about the minor to say that a mandated report has been made to the prosecutor's office and they've opened an investigation.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 13:04
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
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No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
There must be a way to confirm that reports have been filed and an investigation has been opened without disclosing the details of it. If no reports have been filed, and no investigation has been opened, it's a bit fishy.
The DA has confirmed no reports have been filed and no investigation has been opened. We have only the word of this one doctor, who happens to be an activist. For those who don’t like that about her, it doesn’t matter. It’s her past
Anonymous
07/12/2022 13:03
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
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No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
There must be a way to confirm that reports have been filed and an investigation has been opened without disclosing the details of it. If no reports have been filed, and no investigation has been opened, it's a bit fishy.
How will you verify it without violating her privacy?
By saying it's an investigation into sexual abuse/rape/assault of a minor based on mandated report by her physician, and we are not disclosing any more detail?
Anonymous
07/12/2022 13:02
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The right’s desperation about this story not being verifiable, necessary because of doctor-patient privilege, reminds me of how they were furious about the leak of the Dobbs decision. Shouldn’t you all be triumphant that you won?
"Desperation"? On the contrary, the left seems desperate to make sure the public believes this story, without any evidence whatsoever. Of course the girl's information wouldn't be released - but the rapist's information and arrest most definitely would. So where is it? Why hasn't he been arrested yet?
Would his info be released if he is also a minor?
The arrest would be released, not his hame.
What do you mean?
The DA would be able to confirm it happened. There are NO reports. In order for this doctor to be truthful, there would have to be a mandatory reporting prior. There is no evidence anywhere it happened. DA was quite clear about that
Anonymous
07/12/2022 12:59
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
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No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
There must be a way to confirm that reports have been filed and an investigation has been opened without disclosing the details of it. If no reports have been filed, and no investigation has been opened, it's a bit fishy.
How will you verify it without violating her privacy?
Anonymous
07/12/2022 12:52
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
-------------------
No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
Repected? No. Activist.
And, nobody wants to know the name of the victim. We do want to know that whoever raped this child is brought to justice (if this case actually happened)
Doctors are ALSO mandated reporters. The rape of a child is a crime. Has this "respected doctor" reported this rape to authorities?
DP. How would knowing the specifics of how she became pregnant affect your views on whether she should have access to an abortion?
It wouldn’t. Forced birthers are dumb sheep and need to be led away from the actual issue, so they throw out unrelated stuff to confuse them.
Anonymous
07/12/2022 12:51
Subject: 10 year old girl has to travel out of state to get abortio
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Re:
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You can confirm that an event happened without releasing a name. The doctor went public with it right?
This reminds me of all the stories during the pandemic which also could not be verified. All the crying nurses, etc.
-------------------
No, you cannot. Not as a govenment agency. There are special restrictions on potential identifiers such as age (at any given time, "pregnant" + "specific very young age" in "specific area" is going to be a likely unique identifier). Private citizens are bound by fear of being sued, but public employees have specific presumptive restrictions.
Test it. Call up your local CPS unit -- for DC, it's CFSA at https://cfsa.dc.gov/service/report-child-abuse-and-neglect . Ask if they can confirm or deny that, say, there is a pregnant 11 year old. Just do it. I'd bet a paycheck that you do not get a straight yes or no.
Put your money where your mouth it. Test that assumption you are so fond of. See if it holds.
Did you call, PP?
No. I was too busy following up on the results of the FOIA in Ohio. No one - NO ONE can confirm the story. It's a lie
Someone FOIAd every police department in Ohio?
What, you think PP would shitpost without having the receipts to back it up? Well, I never! /s
The Ohio DA, police departments, and abortion clinics have no record. In addition, Dr. Bernard is full of comments in the past, was outspoken prior, but now is all 'no comment'. She has a history of not reporting abuse cases to the state, something she is legally bound to do.
I think Dr. Bernard is our next Jussie Smollett.
And, the IndyStar is the new Rolling Stone.
Bingo on both counts. If this turns out to be a fake story, there isn't enough disgust in the world for me to heap upon this doctor and those posters who were ranting about it here daily. Absolutely sick.
Oh please. A respected doctor says it’s true. There’s no reason to think it is not true. It’s not like she’s going to release a name and a location. Doctors are bound by HIPAA not to mention all the issues of this being a minor coming into play. Save your angst and contempt for the racist…
There must be a way to confirm that reports have been filed and an investigation has been opened without disclosing the details of it. If no reports have been filed, and no investigation has been opened, it's a bit fishy.
DP. No, there isn’t. Information about child victims of sex crimes is protected to the hilt to avoid inflicting further harm on the victim. No information about the case, even the fact of its existence, would be available to the public unless her parents decided to share it.