Anonymous wrote:How are the victims? Are they going to be ok?

Latest I saw, yes-but define OK right? What does our city do specifically for crime victims, mounting at an alarming rate. I'm curious if there is a fund or other resources as they /their families rebuild.

How are the victims? Are they going to be ok?

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Anonymous wrote:Most “suicides by cop” don’t involve cowering behind a locked bathroom in an apartment.

He kept giving the police instructions on where to find him, didn't try to escape, didn't shoot again after the initial, and commited suicide as they were closing in. Maybe suicide with cop. I wish he hadn't hurt anyone at all, but this seems pretty suicidal overall to me. Not minimizing at all what he did.

“Suicide by cop” as generally understood does not include killing or maiming other people beforehand.

I've often understood it as sometimes firing at or baiting the police officer, and yes, someone can get hurt before the police respond with overwhelming force. I think this event reminds me more of that than other types of scenarios.

Highlighting a couple of interesting points, including one that is compatible with my 'sauna theory' (lack of community in these young people's lives). Anyway, very sad for everyone including our community. I'm going to go for a walk, hug a tree, greet a neighbor. And yes- we need to nationally address guns, mental health, and we need to (IMO) nationally address the breakdown of community, connection, civility, regard, kindness and so much more.

This is not the whole article--link provided.

https://leb.fbi.gov/articles/featured-articles/suicide-by-cop-broadening-our-understanding-

"Suicide by cop (SBC) is a situation where individuals deliberately place themselves or others at grave risk in a manner that compels the use of deadly force by police officers. There are many known SBC-specific risk factors, warning signs, and triggers.1 Individuals who feel trapped, ashamed, hopeless, desperate, revengeful, or enraged and those who are seeking notoriety, assuring lethality, saving face, sending a message, or evading moral responsibility often attempt SBC.2 In the field of suicide prevention, SBC has received little attention.

Interpersonal Psychological Theory

The Interpersonal Psychological Theory of Suicide (IPPT) indicates that a potentially fatal suicide attempt requires a strong desire to die and the capability for lethal self-harm.3 An attempt occurs only when both are present in an individual. The intense desire to die often comes from the belief that one is a burden to others or does not belong. A sense of burden can result when people feel they are a liability and have not fulfilled expectations. This leads to thinking that life has no value. Strong unmet needs for social relationships and the perception that no one cares produce feelings of failed belongingness.



For a suicide to occur, more than a desire to die is necessary; an individual also must be capable of ending life. The person must overcome fear, pain, and the instinct for self-preservation. This can result from abuse, trauma, or a history of violence and may be a byproduct of past attempts or mentally practicing a suicide plan.

IPPT helps explain SBC by indicating that a suicide attempt—

is the outcome of a plan;
requires the capability to expose oneself to lethal harm;
becomes more likely when a plan is ruminated upon over time; and
is facilitated by exposure to violence...."

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What’s his source?

He’s the source. He’s a reporter. Apparently scooped the Post. Excellent twitter follow.

News Channel 7 names the suspect and he's from Fairfax!

"The Metropolitan Police Department was looking to speak with Raymond Spencer, 23, of Fairfax, Virginia, whose name they became aware of through social media, Assistant Chief Stuart Emerman said."

Ugh... this is someone who quite possibly lives a few square miles away from me, assuming this is Fairfax City...

Fair Lakes Circle according to the Post.

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Anonymous wrote:Most “suicides by cop” don’t involve cowering behind a locked bathroom in an apartment.

He kept giving the police instructions on where to find him, didn't try to escape, didn't shoot again after the initial, and commited suicide as they were closing in. Maybe suicide with cop. I wish he hadn't hurt anyone at all, but this seems pretty suicidal overall to me. Not minimizing at all what he did.

“Suicide by cop” as generally understood does not include killing or maiming other people beforehand.

I've often understood it as sometimes firing at or baiting the police officer, and yes, someone can get hurt before the police respond with overwhelming force. I think this event reminds me more of that than other types of scenarios.

Again, not minimizing that he hurt people grievously or sympathetic to his choice to do this dreadful act.

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Anonymous wrote:Most “suicides by cop” don’t involve cowering behind a locked bathroom in an apartment.

He kept giving the police instructions on where to find him, didn't try to escape, didn't shoot again after the initial, and commited suicide as they were closing in. Maybe suicide with cop. I wish he hadn't hurt anyone at all, but this seems pretty suicidal overall to me. Not minimizing at all what he did.

“Suicide by cop” as generally understood does not include killing or maiming other people beforehand.

I've often understood it as sometimes firing at or baiting the police officer, and yes, someone can get hurt before the police respond with overwhelming force. I think this event reminds me more of that than other types of scenarios.

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Anonymous wrote:Most “suicides by cop” don’t involve cowering behind a locked bathroom in an apartment.

He kept giving the police instructions on where to find him, didn't try to escape, didn't shoot again after the initial, and commited suicide as they were closing in. Maybe suicide with cop. I wish he hadn't hurt anyone at all, but this seems pretty suicidal overall to me. Not minimizing at all what he did.

“Suicide by cop” as generally understood does not include killing or maiming other people beforehand.

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Anonymous wrote:NP and I haven't read the whole thread, but does anyone know what was going on after the shooting but before they found him? I read that the surrounded his apartment hours after the shooting. Was he going to try to escape or was he hiding out?

He must have been watching as they searched for him. He posted that they were searching the wrong side of the building, he was posting on Wikipedia also and the last post was at 4:38pm according to the Reddit thread.

He reportedly edited the Burke wiki page. Don’t know if it’s true.

Can you link to the Reddit thread?

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Anonymous wrote:Most “suicides by cop” don’t involve cowering behind a locked bathroom in an apartment.

He kept giving the police instructions on where to find him, didn't try to escape, didn't shoot again after the initial, and commited suicide as they were closing in. Maybe suicide with cop. I wish he hadn't hurt anyone at all, but this seems pretty suicidal overall to me. Not minimizing at all what he did.

I’m not aware of any instructions. Just an oblique post on 4chan.

Anonymous wrote:NP and I haven't read the whole thread, but does anyone know what was going on after the shooting but before they found him? I read that the surrounded his apartment hours after the shooting. Was he going to try to escape or was he hiding out?

He must have been watching as they searched for him. He posted that they were searching the wrong side of the building, he was posting on Wikipedia also and the last post was at 4:38pm according to the Reddit thread.

Anonymous wrote:WaPo just posted a story about the shooter but of course there is a pay wall. Can anyone summarize and share if they actually have new information or is this just clickbait.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/23/raymond-spencer-dc-shooting/

Someone should tell the WP that avenues don’t panic. And teens forced to dodge bullets and then shelter in a closet for hours, trying to figure out if people in the hallway telling them to come out are the police or a possible shooter don’t have the luxury.

Anonymous wrote:Most “suicides by cop” don’t involve cowering behind a locked bathroom in an apartment.

He kept giving the police instructions on where to find him, didn't try to escape, didn't shoot again after the initial, and commited suicide as they were closing in. Maybe suicide with cop. I wish he hadn't hurt anyone at all, but this seems pretty suicidal overall to me. Not minimizing at all what he did.

Anonymous wrote:WaPo just posted a story about the shooter but of course there is a pay wall. Can anyone summarize and share if they actually have new information or is this just clickbait.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/23/raymond-spencer-dc-shooting/

Not clickbait, but most if not all of what's in the article is all discussed on this thread.

WaPo just posted a story about the shooter but of course there is a pay wall. Can anyone summarize and share if they actually have new information or is this just clickbait.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/2022/04/23/raymond-spencer-dc-shooting/

NP and I haven't read the whole thread, but does anyone know what was going on after the shooting but before they found him? I read that the surrounded his apartment hours after the shooting. Was he going to try to escape or was he hiding out?