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Anonymous wrote:Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

You missed that as many as 1 in 10 Americans don’t have a government-issued ID.

As many as? What sort of weasel wording is that?

Those words are that reporter’s. But here you go:

“Across the country, about 11 percent of Americans do not have government-issued photo identification cards, such as a driver’s license or a passport, according to Wendy Weiser of the Democracy Program at the Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/courts_law/getting-a-photo-id-so-you-can-vote-is-easy-unless-youre-poor-black-latino-or-elderly/2016/05/23/8d5474ec-20f0-11e6-8690-f14ca9de2972_story.html?utm_term=.769ee40c851f

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Anonymous wrote:Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

You missed that as many as 1 in 10 Americans don’t have a government-issued ID.

As many as? What sort of weasel wording is that?

Anonymous wrote:Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

You missed that as many as 1 in 10 Americans don’t have a government-issued ID.

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Anonymous wrote:This is a classic beltway argument. Voter ID polls incredibly high across all subsets nationally. It is passed in numerous states with no greater harm to the electorate. I think its a loser for the Dems if they chose to die on this hill. People understand you need ID to do certain things in this country. If you can get a cell phone, a bank card, have cable tv, internet service, shop online, fly on a plane, drive a car, ride the train, order a beer, buy cigarettes....you can figure out the voter id requirements.

none of those are protected rights.

I get that the above aren't rights. But, you still need an ID to do any of them...an ID that would also work re voting. This is what I mean re beltway argument. Common sense takes a back seat.

Perhaps you have difficulty looking beyond people who live like you. I don’t drink or smoke. I frequently shop on line — and have never needed a photo ID to do so. I’m an old, so my cell phone, bank accounts, credit card accounts, cable, and internet service have been in place for over a decade, and none of them required a photo ID. I haven’t needed an ID to ride the train, or to go to the dentist. I do need ID for my current health care options, but I did not when I went to a physician in private practice, and don’t for the dentist.
I’m not sure if these arguments are disingenuous, ignorant, or both, but I hope that the people making them have assisted at least one non-driving, home bound person with accessing what they need to vote.

TLDR: Many people would be fine with voter ID requirements if they were free and easily available. In the unlikely event that the voter ID zealots are sincere, why not work harder on that?

They are. Maybe you should read about the various states that have the requirements (all free) and that they have mobile services to issue. No, they don't come to do door-to-door service, but they make it about as easy as possible and no more difficult than going to the doctor, library, grocery store, out to eat, etc. If you look at the form Virginia used prior, there is more to fill out on the actual voter registration form itself that the form to get an ID.

Look the republicans will use that information to go after voters. The republicans are doing this to get your information and punish you. They will track your vote, send their crazies to your work place, your kids school, etc calling you out by name. You know republicans are lying when they can not tell you any reason to have your vote ID’ed and tracked.

Speaking of crazies ^^^.

Wow, this is really severe problem. Nearly a dozen people affected.

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“Hicks and her daughter, Jonita White, said they were unaware of the RID process, and that without a driver’s license and limited transportation, it's difficult for Hicks to participate in state and federal elections.

"My voice does not count.” Hicks told ABC News. ”It's very important. People have died just to vote, people have stood in line, in the rain, women fought to vote and now I can't vote."

Like many Black elders in the South, Hicks was born at a time when records weren't kept. She never had a birth certificate. Her daughter has helped her apply for one. The pair even went to court over the issue, and said a judge ruled in their favor. Still, they said the Office of Vital Statistics rejected Hicks because she filled out an outdated form, according to White.”
https://abcnews.go.com/amp/Politics/black-woman-rural-texas-unable-obtain-id-needed/story?id=80395815

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“By the time I met Patricia White at a voter education forum in New Smyrna Beach, she had been trying to obtain a state ID for 10 months. Since moving to Florida from Pennsylvania, she had been repeatedly turned away from the DMV. Like many married woman, Patricia’s birth certificate reflects her maiden name rather than her current legal name. The DMV kept giving Patricia inconsistent and confusing information about the documentation requirements before it became clear that without certified copies of marriage certificates from both of her marriages, she couldn’t obtain a Florida state ID.

It seemed as if the only way to complete her ID application would be to fly back to Pennsylvania and chase down her documentation in person. However, Patricia had been recently diagnosed with stage 3 cancer and was scheduled to start chemotherapy in a matter of weeks. She did not have the money, strength, or time to make a trip to Philadelphia to request her marriage certificates in person.”
https://www.voteriders.org/voter-id-story-patricia-in-florida/

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

Krucki first traveled to the DMV in Eau Claire, Wisconsin, in June 2013 with her daughter. “My mother does not have an unexpired passport, Wisconsin-issued photo ID, or any other kind of photo acceptable for voting,” her daughter, Sharon Erickson, said in a court declaration filed by the ACLU. Krucki lived in Illinois most of her life, before moving to Wisconsin five years ago, and no longer drives. She brought her Illinois photo ID, a bank statement and an insurance statement to the DMV. But DMV workers said she needed a birth certificate to get a Wisconsin ID for voting.

The problem was that Krucki was born on a farm and didn’t know where her birth certificate was. Erickson called the Wisconsin Department of Health Services and paid $20 for her birth certificate. However, her Polish last name, “Zaszczurynski,” was spelled “Zaszcronynska” instead.

She brought the birth certificate with her on a second trip to the DMV, but the DMV once again would not issue her a voter ID because the birth certificate didn’t match her current last name, Krucki, which she adopted after getting married. They said she’d have to obtain her marriage certificate from Illinois. Erickson paid $15 to get the marriage certificate from Cook County, Illinois, but it listed her maiden name as “Bandys” because Krucki had adopted that name, rather than the Polish name Zaszczurynski, after moving in with her stepsister in her 20s.

Krucki made a third trip to the DMV, but could still not get a voter ID because the maiden name on her Illinois marriage certificate did not match the name on her Wisconsin birth certificate. They said she’d have to change the name on her Illinois marriage certificate. “She almost went over the counter at the DMV, she was so mad,” her daughter told me.

Erickson called the courthouse in Cook County and they said it would cost between $150–300 to amend her mother’s Illinois marriage certificate. A clerk in Eau Claire said there was a “chance” a Wisconsin judge would amend her mother’s documents if they paid $300 in court fees. At that point, Erickson gave up trying to get her mother a Wisconsin voter ID.

The April 5, 2016, presidential primary in Wisconsin was the first election in her life in which Krucki was unable to vote.”
https://www.thenation.com/article/archive/a-90-year-old-woman-whos-voted-since-1948-was-disenfranchised-by-wisconsins-voter-id-law/tnamp/

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“Dorothy Cooper is a 96-year-old black woman who lives in Chattanooga,Tennessee. She was recently denied a voter identification card because she didn’t have her marriage certificate available – the same card that’s required by the state to vote. This coming election may be the first one she misses in 50 years.

Cooper slipped a rent receipt, a copy of her lease, her voter registration card and her birth certificate into a Manila envelope. Typewritten on the birth certificate was her maiden name, Dorothy Alexander.

“But I didn’t have my marriage certificate,” Cooper said Tuesday afternoon, and that was the reason the clerk said she was denied a free voter ID at the Cherokee Boulevard Driver Service Center.”
https://www.colorlines.com/articles/96-year-old-black-woman-denied-right-vote-tennessee

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“A Huntsville woman, 92, who has lived in the same house in Huntsville for 57 years and voted in every election since she was eligible, was turned away from the polls today because her driver's license expired nine months ago.

The woman had the license with her when she came to vote at the precinct at First Baptist Church a little before noon today, June 3, 2014, said Libba Nicholson, a neighbor who often drives her elderly friend on errands. The license had expired in August 2013. She had not renewed it because her eyesight is failing and she has made the tough decision to quit driving. But she thought since it was so recent, it would work. She uses it to cash checks and in other rare incidences when she is asked for an ID.

"If we've ever had to pull the card out, I don't think anyone ever checked the date," Nicholson said. "As we walked in, we were talking about doing our Constitutional duty. She's a very thoughtful citizen."
https://www.al.com/breaking/2014/06/voter_fraud.html

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“Paul Carroll, an 86-year-old World War II veteran who has lived in the same Ohio town for four decades, was denied a chance to vote in the state's primary contests today after a poll worker denied his form of identification, a recently-acquired photo ID from the Department of Veterans Affairs. The poll worker rejected the ID because it did not contain an address, as required by Ohio law.

Carroll told the Cleveland Plain Dealer that he got the ID from the VA after his driver's license expired because he doesn't drive anymore:

“My beef is that I had to pay a driver to take me up there because I don’t walk so well and have to use this cane and now I can’t even vote,” said Paul Carroll, 86, who has lived in Aurora nearly 40 years, running his own business, Carroll Tire, until 1975.

“I had to stop driving, but I got the photo ID from the Veterans Affairs instead, just a month or so ago. You would think that would count for something. I went to war for this country, but now I can’t vote in this country.”
https://readersupportednews.org/news-section2/319-67/10340-86-year-old-ohio-veteran-denied-vote-under-id-law

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“In October 2011, an article appeared in my local paper reporting that, in order to vote in the next election, everyone was going to need a state-issued identity card for the first time. At 85 years old, I didn’t have one, because I’m handicapped and so I never drove a car or needed an ID.

The newspaper said that I’d have to go to the Department of Motor Vehicles (DMV) and register for a card, and it had a list of the documents that I needed to bring. I had everything – except for the legal birth certificate. I’m not sure my parents ever gave that to me. I did have a baptism certificate that was notarized, but that was all.”
https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/sep/24/wisconsin-new-voter-id-law-woman-denied-right-87?CMP=twt_gu

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“Everything that proves Chartez Tucker exists fits in a plastic grocery bag.

There’s a wadded-up photocopy of his expired Michigan identification card. Some pieces of mail that look like they’ve been through the wash. A few pieces of this-and-that to try to authenticate his 45 years on Earth.

“Right now, he’s a John Doe. A nobody,” says his sister, Jacqueline Tucker.

Her brother cuts her off.

“I am somebody!” he says. “I just can’t prove it.”

The two were recently at a social services agency on Detroit’s east side to begin the process of acquiring a state ID so he can get an apartment. But the process can take six months and unfold through a series of fits, starts and bureaucratic walls that reveals the everyday hassle of being poor.

For Tucker, it means bus trips, long waits in government offices and cobbling together money for copies of his birth certificate, academic and other records. He lost his ID with his wallet four years ago. When he talked to Bridge last month, Tucker had been to the Social Security office four times without luck.

“They make it so hard,” said Tucker, who lives with his mother, doesn’t work and suffers from seizures.

Lacking identification is a surprisingly common problem, particularly in cities: As many as 1 in 10 Americans don’t have a government-issued ID, according to the Brennan Center for Justice at the New York University School of Law. Other studies claim as many as 13 percent of African-Americans lack IDs.
https://www.bridgemi.com/urban-affairs/poor-michigan-no-id-i-am-somebody-i-just-cant-prove-it?amp

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“So this month, with the North Carolina primary approaching, Reba wanted to make sure she could vote again. She needed to register, and she needed a valid photo ID, because beginning this year, North Carolina is requiring one to vote.

Last week, Ed helped her gather the papers the state said she needed for that ID. They decided to make an event of the process – a celebration of democracy. They went out to lunch. They filled out her voter registration form. They took a happy photo.

On Monday, they went to the Department of Motor Vehicles in west Asheville. There, they laid out all of Reba’s paperwork for a DMV official – her birth records from Pennsylvania, her Social Security card, the N.H. driver’s license she let expire because she no longer wanted to drive.

But there was a problem. When Reba got married in 1950, she had her name legally changed. Like millions upon millions of women, she swapped out her middle name for her maiden name.

That name – Reba Miller Bowser – didn’t match the name on her birth record. A DMV computer flagged the discrepancy, Ed says. The photo ID application was rejected.

Ed was surprised. And Reba? “It wasn’t obvious to my mom what was happening,” he says.

There’s good reason for Reba’s confusion. Her name had never been an issue before this week. Not when she applied for driver’s licenses in Pennsylvania and New Hampshire. Not when she’s flown on airplanes and traveled to other countries.”
https://amp.charlotteobserver.com/opinion/article59695406.html

You’ve lost all credibility with this paranoid argument. Also it just simply isn’t hard to get a valid picture ID of some form. I don’t care who you are or what your lame excuse is. It’s part of being an adult.

“Before SB14 came into effect, Kennie was able to vote by simply showing a voter registration card posted to his home address. Under the vastly more stringent demands of the new law, he must take with him to the polling station one of six forms of identification bearing his photograph. The problem is, he doesn’t have any of the six and there’s no way he’s going to be able to acquire one any time soon.

To get an EIC, Kennie needs to be able to show the Texas department of public safety (DPS) other forms of documentation that satisfy them as to his identity. He presented them with his old personal ID card – issued by the DPS itself and with his photo on it – but because it is more than 60 days expired (it ran out in 2000) they didn’t accept it. Next he showed them an electricity bill, and after that a cable TV bill, but on each occasion they said it didn’t cut muster and turned him away.

Each trip to the DPS office involved taking three buses, a journey that can stretch to a couple of hours. Then he had to stand in line, waiting for up to a further three hours to be seen, before finally making another two-hour schlep home.
In one of his trips to the DPS last year they told him he needed to get hold of a copy of his birth certificate as the only remaining way he could meet the requirements and get his EIC. That meant going on yet another three-bus trek to the official records office in a different part of town.
The cost of acquiring a birth certificate in Texas is $23, which may not sound much but it is to Kennie. He is poor, like many of the up to 600,000 Texans caught in the current voter ID trap.”
https://amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/oct/27/texas-vote-id-proof-certificate-minority-law