Anonymous
12/20/2021 15:50
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Which elementary schools have mandatory outdoor lunch when it's 32 degrees outside?
I want to start circulating photos to the media when school starts again.
This is New York and this is one of the gubernatorial candidates. It's going to be getting even more press in January. Only the loonies on AEM (which seems to representative the most craziest people in Arlington) would be for such insanity.
I want to start circulating photos to the media when school starts again.
This is New York and this is one of the gubernatorial candidates. It's going to be getting even more press in January. Only the loonies on AEM (which seems to representative the most craziest people in Arlington) would be for such insanity.
Anonymous
12/19/2021 14:39
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
With the rise of Omicron, outdoor lunch still needs to be optional.
There's that hysterical AEM thread going right now, where every other comment is "outdoor lunch". Nope. Restaurants and bars are packed right now, and kids don't need to be eating outdoors in 35 degree weather. This is just an appeal to the Zero COVID cultists on AEM who are anti-vaxxers that don't trust their vaccines.
From what I understand from that AEM thread, schools with indoor lunch aren't even seeing additional spread. So this is just pure theater, just like pretty much all COVID restrictions.
And as a friendly reminder - everyone will get COVID and COVID will never be eradicated. There will be new variants the rest of our lives. Do you want to live like this for the rest of your life? We don't and haven't been since this summer.
Vaccinated or not, everyone is likely to get COVID-19 at some point, many experts say
'The idea that we’re going to live our lives without ever getting it is a fantasy — and a dangerous one,' says one epidemiologist
https://www.ocregister.com/2021/10/03/vaccinated-or-not-everyone-is-likely-to-get-covid-19-at-some-point-many-experts-say/
There's that hysterical AEM thread going right now, where every other comment is "outdoor lunch". Nope. Restaurants and bars are packed right now, and kids don't need to be eating outdoors in 35 degree weather. This is just an appeal to the Zero COVID cultists on AEM who are anti-vaxxers that don't trust their vaccines.
From what I understand from that AEM thread, schools with indoor lunch aren't even seeing additional spread. So this is just pure theater, just like pretty much all COVID restrictions.
And as a friendly reminder - everyone will get COVID and COVID will never be eradicated. There will be new variants the rest of our lives. Do you want to live like this for the rest of your life? We don't and haven't been since this summer.
Vaccinated or not, everyone is likely to get COVID-19 at some point, many experts say
'The idea that we’re going to live our lives without ever getting it is a fantasy — and a dangerous one,' says one epidemiologist
https://www.ocregister.com/2021/10/03/vaccinated-or-not-everyone-is-likely-to-get-covid-19-at-some-point-many-experts-say/
Anonymous
12/16/2021 14:47
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
I mean, with the global warming that has impacted nova, the vast majority of outdoor lunch days should be comfortable.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 15:50
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:IMO, eating outside in mild weather is less onerous than washing my hands. It's downright nice. Today is a good example. Kids get more recess time. It's not as noisy or crowded. Fewer germs are shared. It's all good all around.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's like saying I shouldn't wash my hands and should hang out with highly contagious people because it's inevitable I'm going to catch the flu and colds. Of course not. You should always try not to get sickAnonymous wrote:
The rule is "not get sick". It's no one can ever get the equivalent of a cold again. Kids need to be masked and their development delayed until they become an adult. We need 0 colds.
So kids eating outside is liking washing your hands, while the kids eat inside at restaurants all weekend long and adults are eating at restaurants while the kids are eating lunch. Great analogy!
And washing your hands is not like wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is inhuman and delays kids' development, ESPECIALLY FOR 2 YEARS!
And wearing a mask is not proven whatsoever to prevent anything - check out the largest, highest quality study on masks, the Bangladesh RCT, which showed cloth masks didn't work (and surgical masks only worked on people 50 or over for barely reducing the spread in a pre-vaccine environment).
Everyone will get COVID. Doing these incredibly harmful mitigation methods has to stop. And someone comparing them to hand washing is such a joke. GMAFB
I like the idea of outdoor lunch, but it is lunchtime, not extra recess time. The younger kids need time to eat, and some of the kids are only getting fed at school. And all reports from teachers and admin are actually eating time has decreased outside. So it's not all good. It's a great idea. But not all good.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 15:40
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Hey girl, this is the lunch thread. We're talking here about 8 year olds (many vaccinated) sitting outside in 35 degree weather to each lunch because of "health", while the much higher risk teachers eat inside and restaurants are packed down the street with high risk adults. It's called ThEScIenCe
There have been no 35 degree days since the first 8 year olds was fully vaccinated. The weather has been warm. If there were, then they would have eaten inside.
The risk isn’t eating inside, it’s eating inside crowded with other people. As a teacher, I eat alone in my room.
Schools have always protected children from doing stupid risky things that adults routinely do. I don’t let my students jay walk on field trips either.
Kids prefer to be outside.
Eating inside with friends isn't stupid or risky - it's called normal. The vast majority of kids are doing it every week with their families at restaurants. I'd bet teachers are too. This is just absurd COVID safety theater that isn't applied anywhere else in society except to the very lowest group (kids).
There was a 39 degree lunch day last week. Is that normal to eat outside in 39 degree weather? Why didn't teachers too? It's insane.
The media has been covering this insanity more and more.
So, you admit that there were no 39 degree days.
There is nothing similar about an elementary school cafeteria and a restaurant. I know teachers who have chosen to eat outside throughout the pandemic. I have never met an adult who would willing choose to eat in a school cafeteria. So, if you're going with don't put kids in places that teachers don't choose you would be voting for outdoors.
Eating outside is normal. It's called a picnic. It's existed a lot longer than restaurants.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 15:35
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
IMO, eating outside in mild weather is less onerous than washing my hands. It's downright nice. Today is a good example. Kids get more recess time. It's not as noisy or crowded. Fewer germs are shared. It's all good all around.Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:That's like saying I shouldn't wash my hands and should hang out with highly contagious people because it's inevitable I'm going to catch the flu and colds. Of course not. You should always try not to get sickAnonymous wrote:
The rule is "not get sick". It's no one can ever get the equivalent of a cold again. Kids need to be masked and their development delayed until they become an adult. We need 0 colds.
So kids eating outside is liking washing your hands, while the kids eat inside at restaurants all weekend long and adults are eating at restaurants while the kids are eating lunch. Great analogy!
And washing your hands is not like wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is inhuman and delays kids' development, ESPECIALLY FOR 2 YEARS!
And wearing a mask is not proven whatsoever to prevent anything - check out the largest, highest quality study on masks, the Bangladesh RCT, which showed cloth masks didn't work (and surgical masks only worked on people 50 or over for barely reducing the spread in a pre-vaccine environment).
Everyone will get COVID. Doing these incredibly harmful mitigation methods has to stop. And someone comparing them to hand washing is such a joke. GMAFB
Anonymous
12/15/2021 15:17
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
+1. Not to mention, but the severity of the disease is related to exposure and viral load. Removing protections won't just increase the number of cases, but also the severity of cases. And it's not like you only get covid once. You can get sick again every six months to a year.
Everyone is getting COVID eventually. But instead of getting it when you're younger and more immune, you'd prefer to worthlessly spend years of life trying to avoid it. However, COVID gets more dangerous the more you age. Make 0 sense. The only way this "strategy" makes sense is if you think COVID will be eradicated, which no mainstream scientist thinks at all.
Getting infected is one of the best immunities you can get. Yes, you can get reinfected just like any other coronavirus, but the symptoms are much more likely to be not serious.
More importantly, infection-based immunity is one of the best you can get. See the latest data out of Israel.
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Any theories on why the Israeli study's data leads to the opposite conclusion as NIH/CDC studies (re: efficacy of natural immunity vs. vaccine-induced immunity)?
Anonymous
12/15/2021 15:16
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
Any theories on why the Israeli study's data leads to the opposite conclusion as NIH/CDC studies (re: efficacy of natural immunity vs. vaccine-induced immunity)?
+1. Not to mention, but the severity of the disease is related to exposure and viral load. Removing protections won't just increase the number of cases, but also the severity of cases. And it's not like you only get covid once. You can get sick again every six months to a year.
Everyone is getting COVID eventually. But instead of getting it when you're younger and more immune, you'd prefer to worthlessly spend years of life trying to avoid it. However, COVID gets more dangerous the more you age. Make 0 sense. The only way this "strategy" makes sense is if you think COVID will be eradicated, which no mainstream scientist thinks at all.
Getting infected is one of the best immunities you can get. Yes, you can get reinfected just like any other coronavirus, but the symptoms are much more likely to be not serious.
More importantly, infection-based immunity is one of the best you can get. See the latest data out of Israel.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 15:03
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:That's like saying I shouldn't wash my hands and should hang out with highly contagious people because it's inevitable I'm going to catch the flu and colds. Of course not. You should always try not to get sickAnonymous wrote:
The rule is "not get sick". It's no one can ever get the equivalent of a cold again. Kids need to be masked and their development delayed until they become an adult. We need 0 colds.
So kids eating outside is liking washing your hands, while the kids eat inside at restaurants all weekend long and adults are eating at restaurants while the kids are eating lunch. Great analogy!
And washing your hands is not like wearing a mask. Wearing a mask is inhuman and delays kids' development, ESPECIALLY FOR 2 YEARS!
And wearing a mask is not proven whatsoever to prevent anything - check out the largest, highest quality study on masks, the Bangladesh RCT, which showed cloth masks didn't work (and surgical masks only worked on people 50 or over for barely reducing the spread in a pre-vaccine environment).
Everyone will get COVID. Doing these incredibly harmful mitigation methods has to stop. And someone comparing them to hand washing is such a joke. GMAFB
Anonymous
12/15/2021 14:35
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
That's like saying I shouldn't wash my hands and should hang out with highly contagious people because it's inevitable I'm going to catch the flu and colds. Of course not. You should always try not to get sickAnonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
So now no one can ever get sick again?!? You'd prefer to stretch this out for 5 to 10 years, when COVID will be here forever. EVERYONE WILL GET COVID. It's only a matter of time.
The rule is "not get sick". It's no one can ever get the equivalent of a cold again. Kids need to be masked and their development delayed until they become an adult. We need 0 colds.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 13:26
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
So now no one can ever get sick again?!? You'd prefer to stretch this out for 5 to 10 years, when COVID will be here forever. EVERYONE WILL GET COVID. It's only a matter of time.
The rule is "not get sick". It's no one can ever get the equivalent of a cold again. Kids need to be masked and their development delayed until they become an adult. We need 0 colds.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 13:22
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
+1. Not to mention, but the severity of the disease is related to exposure and viral load. Removing protections won't just increase the number of cases, but also the severity of cases. And it's not like you only get covid once. You can get sick again every six months to a year.
Everyone is getting COVID eventually. But instead of getting it when you're younger and more immune, you'd prefer to worthlessly spend years of life trying to avoid it. However, COVID gets more dangerous the more you age. Make 0 sense. The only way this "strategy" makes sense is if you think COVID will be eradicated, which no mainstream scientist thinks at all.
Getting infected is one of the best immunities you can get. Yes, you can get reinfected just like any other coronavirus, but the symptoms are much more likely to be not serious.
More importantly, infection-based immunity is one of the best you can get. See the latest data out of Israel.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 13:17
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
So now no one can ever get sick again?!? You'd prefer to stretch this out for 5 to 10 years, when COVID will be here forever. EVERYONE WILL GET COVID. It's only a matter of time.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 12:25
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.
+1. Not to mention, but the severity of the disease is related to exposure and viral load. Removing protections won't just increase the number of cases, but also the severity of cases. And it's not like you only get covid once. You can get sick again every six months to a year.
Anonymous
12/15/2021 12:20
Subject: Re:APS Outdoor Lunch Needs to Be Optional
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Honey, things aren't normal in a pandemic. You need to figure out a way to deal with that. Please get therapy if this is a hard concept for you to handle.
"in a pandemic" - but kids are having normal lunches in many places in the US and Europe. So it's not "because of the pandemic" - we have people using our kids to chase Zero COVID, which is scientifically not possible.
I myself are for letting Omicron rip - otherwise, we'll be doing these restrictions for the next 5 to 10 years. Everyone will be exposed to COVID repeatedly in their life, it's never going away, and delaying your exposure to it means your increasing your risk, considering the steep age stratification with COVID complications.
I know many parents are doing the "let it rip" strategy outside of school now. The COVIDians can put their kids in their blue K94 masks, keep their kids locked away and cause them mental problems, only to delay the inevitable. We're done.
Do you realize that many adults--including vaccinated adults--feel shitty for a solid week or two when they get COVID? Sure, some are asymptomatic, but many breakthrough cases are comparable to a bad flu. I wouldn't ignore a flu outbreak in a school just because I got a flu shot, and for the same reason I wouldn't ignore a COVID outbreak. I don't want to spend my holiday break isolated and sick, nor do I want to burn through two weeks of my PTO being sick in February. Being sick sucks. Let's not "let it rip." That sounds insanely stupid. I'm not COVID anxious at all, but common sense measures to help keep people healthy and avoid huge outbreaks should remain in place.