Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:45
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:I don't necessarily blame Alec. There were multiple BIG mistakes that led to her death.
But Alec is a big-name movie star. He's been in the business a long time. He has been on the set on many, many movies. A lot of them being big-budget movies. He was the producer on this movie. He has the experience to know what is normal for a movie set and what is not normal. He has the clout. After 4 accidental firings, did that leave Alec friggin' Baldwin to start screaming and demand people start doing their jobs better?
Kinda like when Tom Cruise yelled at the staff members of his movie (Mission Impossible) about Covid safety precautions. Did Alec do something similar? Or did he let all these mistakes slide even though he should have known better?
Tom Cruise is an anal perfectionist. Alec is an anything-goes type of guy. Surely you can see that about them. This is why, despite the fact that Alec did not know the gun was loaded, it is partially his responsibility, *as a lead actor and producer*, that a person died on set. You are perfectly correct, if he wanted to, he could have had the clout to enforce better safety precautions on set. And he should have.
Anyway, as one of the producers, the buck has to stop somewhere. He may not be as guilty as the armorer who physically put the live round in there, but he does bear some of the burden, just like all top people do when accidents happen in the workplace.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:39
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?
I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?
It doesn't matter if he could or should. Either way, he won't.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:39
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:“ The Santa Fe New Mexican reported Baldwin was seen Thursday outside the sheriff’s office in tears, but attempts to get comment from him were unsuccessful.
“According to investigators, it appears that the scene being filmed involved the use of a prop firearm when it was discharged,” sheriff’s spokesman Juan Rios told the Albuquerque Journal. “Detectives are investigating how and what type of projectile was discharged.”
Don't forget he's an actor
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:36
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?
I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?
You sound ghoulish. What sort of liability are you imagining?
I'm wondering if he could get in trouble for this. I think after someone dies, that's a normal concern. Things like manslaughter, etc.
If you're getting that from Twitter, it's time to reconsider your sources.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:34
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
I don't care for Baldwin but I can't believe some of the criticisms in this thread.
Here is the 911 call. It sounds as if the cinematographer was not killed instantly. There was a medic on set trying to help. The caller says she doesn't know if there was live ammo in the gun.
https://www.koat.com/article/rust-alec-baldwin-shooting-911-calls/38039660#
Here is the 911 call. It sounds as if the cinematographer was not killed instantly. There was a medic on set trying to help. The caller says she doesn't know if there was live ammo in the gun.
https://www.koat.com/article/rust-alec-baldwin-shooting-911-calls/38039660#
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:34
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?
I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?
You sound ghoulish. What sort of liability are you imagining?
I'm wondering if he could get in trouble for this. I think after someone dies, that's a normal concern. Things like manslaughter, etc.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:33
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
That LA Times article clarified that a “blank” is characterized as “live” ammo, so may not have been actual bullet but blank?
“A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.”
“A source close to union said Local 44 does not know what projectile was in the gun and clarified that “live” is an industry term that refers to a gun being loaded with some material such as a blank ready for filming.”
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:30
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:I don't necessarily blame Alec. There were multiple BIG mistakes that led to her death.
But Alec is a big-name movie star. He's been in the business a long time. He has been on the set on many, many movies. A lot of them being big-budget movies. He was the producer on this movie. He has the experience to know what is normal for a movie set and what is not normal. He has the clout. After 4 accidental firings, did that leave Alec friggin' Baldwin to start screaming and demand people start doing their jobs better?
Kinda like when Tom Cruise yelled at the staff members of his movie (Mission Impossible) about Covid safety precautions. Did Alec do something similar? Or did he let all these mistakes slide even though he should have known better?
He wasn't the producer, he was an actor with buy-in.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:29
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?
I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?
You sound ghoulish. What sort of liability are you imagining?
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:29
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
I don't necessarily blame Alec. There were multiple BIG mistakes that led to her death.
But Alec is a big-name movie star. He's been in the business a long time. He has been on the set on many, many movies. A lot of them being big-budget movies. He was the producer on this movie. He has the experience to know what is normal for a movie set and what is not normal. He has the clout. After 4 accidental firings, did that leave Alec friggin' Baldwin to start screaming and demand people start doing their jobs better?
Kinda like when Tom Cruise yelled at the staff members of his movie (Mission Impossible) about Covid safety precautions. Did Alec do something similar? Or did he let all these mistakes slide even though he should have known better?
But Alec is a big-name movie star. He's been in the business a long time. He has been on the set on many, many movies. A lot of them being big-budget movies. He was the producer on this movie. He has the experience to know what is normal for a movie set and what is not normal. He has the clout. After 4 accidental firings, did that leave Alec friggin' Baldwin to start screaming and demand people start doing their jobs better?
Kinda like when Tom Cruise yelled at the staff members of his movie (Mission Impossible) about Covid safety precautions. Did Alec do something similar? Or did he let all these mistakes slide even though he should have known better?
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:28
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
“As the camera crew — members of the International Alliance of Theatrical Stage Employees — spent about an hour assembling their gear at the Bonanza Creek Ranch, several nonunion crew members showed up to replace them, the knowledgeable person said.
A member of the producer staff then ordered the union members to leave the set. She said if they didn't leave, the producers would call security to remove them.“
So Alec fires the Union workers and the shooting happens 6 hours later.
A member of the producer staff then ordered the union members to leave the set. She said if they didn't leave, the producers would call security to remove them.“
So Alec fires the Union workers and the shooting happens 6 hours later.
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:21
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?
I mean Alec. Could he face any civil or criminal liability?
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:16
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Do you mean the director? Or the executive producer?
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:15
Subject: Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
It looks like this was the FOURTH misfire in two weeks on that set. How?!?!
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Can any attorneys weigh in on what personal liability Alec might face?
https://www.msn.com/en-us/movies/news/alec-baldwin-rust-camera-crew-walked-off-the-set-in-protest-before-the-fatal-shooting/ar-AAPQj5V
Anonymous
10/22/2021 17:10
Subject: Re:Alec Baldwin fatally shot someone on movie set with gun mishap
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Set member tells
@HumanEvents
that Alec Baldwin was rehearsing a church scene with the cinematographer when he drew the gun and said something like 'is this what you want?' and then pulled the trigger. Director was standing behind her
I thought we read above that rubber guns are used during rehearsals?
Seems like (perhaps,this is hearsay) that rules were not being followed AND he though it was funny to joke with a gun.
From what all of the professionals have posted, even prop guns are supposed to be tightly controlled.
So, I blame who ever had MANAGEMENT authority (on scence, not back at the studio) over the set.
It probably did not help that they were not working with unionized crew (who would be more aware of their rights/required precautions).
That's not how I read it. I thought the director maybe said he wanted a quick, shoot from the hip look, and Baldwin said "Is this what you want" drawing the gun and doing a quick shot. Honestly -- think about how many scenes there were exactly like that in Deadwood with the quick pull and shoot off the hip. Of course he had no idea of knowing that there was live round, and the director and cinematographer were behind plexiglass. He probably didn't even think there was a blank in the gun, as it sounds like they weren't shooting with blanks. Pulling the trigger on an onloaded six-shooter would not be a big deal at all--just a click and nothing else. It's just outrageous that the gun was loaded, and frankly less suprising that his first response was to yell who the hell gave me a loaded gun? He probably yelled that before he even realized he'd hit anyone with it.
Sound more like the gun guy wanted to play with the props during the break -- maybe it was a cool historical model and he wanted to see how it shot and how good his aim would be with it -- and forgot that he left live rounds in the gun.
Point taken, that is a logical interpretation of his alleged comment.