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Anonymous wrote:If Walz or Frey had police protecting ICE and removed the 'protesters', two of the 'protesters' would still be alive.

If Trump hadn’t sent ICE to terrorize the city, two of the protesters would be alive.

Can you think of any other ways they might still be alive? I can. Most people can. Millions of people can.

Protesting injustice is as American as Apple Pie.

-signed the Boston Tea Party

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Anonymous wrote:It is a felony to
"Assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with ICE's enforcement of federal law.

People who are doing this might find themselves arrested.
People who are violent while getting arrested might find themselves killed.
The guy was reaching for his holster, perhaps realizing his gun was being taken. Someone saw an empty holster and said he has a gun. At this point everyone backed away, giving a clear shot for an agent who thought he was a threat to shoot.
They already broke his rib the previous week, but this guy was so deranged he thought ICE is evil and he had to step up his attacks.

You missed a word. The word is "forcibly". And, as the case law has developed, this means actual force or threats of force made with sufficient wherewithal to cause a reasonable person to fear noncompliance would lead to injury. It is more than what you wrote. For example, merely touching an ICE agent, as Pretti did, would not be a felony under 18 USC 111.

You don’t have first amendment rights to follow, get as close to officers as you want, block roads, and do whatever you feel like short of assault to impede while they are pursuing people, making arrests, and on duty. What was he doing that got him tackled the week prior? I don’t think he was trying to use his gun, I don’t think he should have been shot- but I do think several poor decisions on his part contributed to his outcome.

if Trump could deport people the way Obama did, Good and Pretti would be alive right now. But he could never. He's gotta find the most asinine way to do anything.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If Walz or Frey had police protecting ICE and removed the 'protesters', two of the 'protesters' would still be alive.

If Trump hadn’t sent ICE to terrorize the city, two of the protesters would be alive.

Can you think of any other ways they might still be alive? I can. Most people can. Millions of people can.

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Anonymous wrote:If Walz or Frey had police protecting ICE and removed the 'protesters', two of the 'protesters' would still be alive.

If Trump hadn’t sent ICE to terrorize the city, two of the protesters would be alive.

Expecting a GOP or Dem politician to do the right thing by taking the high road on an issue to protect the citizens they are elected to serve is asking for too much in this day and age. Now, if it were one of their mega-donors surrounded by a handful of idiots Feds with pistols drawn, these politicians would be there to take a bullet for them.

Anonymous wrote:More than eight hundred ICE detainers ignored by local and county jails in Minneapolis.

Go ahead and drop some cites. No propaganda garbage though.

Anonymous wrote:Good analysis explaining why this is within use of force guidelines-

https://shipwreckedcrew.substack.com/p/the-law-on-excessive-use-of-force

Ship Wrecked Crew gives exceedingly bad legal advice. More often than not, cites a holding but ignores the egregious facts that precipitated the holding. Heed is advice at your peril.

Anonymous wrote:It is a felony to
"Assault, resist, oppose, impede, intimidate, or interfere" with ICE's enforcement of federal law.

People who are doing this might find themselves arrested.
People who are violent while getting arrested might find themselves killed.
The guy was reaching for his holster, perhaps realizing his gun was being taken. Someone saw an empty holster and said he has a gun. At this point everyone backed away, giving a clear shot for an agent who thought he was a threat to shoot.
They already broke his rib the previous week, but this guy was so deranged he thought ICE is evil and he had to step up his attacks.

You missed a word. The word is "forcibly". And, as the case law has developed, this means actual force or threats of force made with sufficient wherewithal to cause a reasonable person to fear noncompliance would lead to injury. It is more than what you wrote. For example, merely touching an ICE agent, as Pretti did, would not be a felony under 18 USC 111.

Anonymous wrote:If Walz or Frey had police protecting ICE and removed the 'protesters', two of the 'protesters' would still be alive.

If Trump hadn’t sent ICE to terrorize the city, two of the protesters would be alive.

If Walz or Frey had police protecting ICE and removed the 'protesters', two of the 'protesters' would still be alive.

More than eight hundred ICE detainers ignored by local and county jails in Minneapolis.

Anonymous wrote:Well the two ICE agents who pulled the trigger and murdered Pretti has been pulled off the street and placed on administrative leave.

Not enough. Not even the beginning of enough.

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^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

Yes, there are criminals on the list. However, according to DHS's own statistic, over 75% of the people being detained have no criminal record.

No criminal conviction is not the same as no criminal charges. Also, people with final removal orders do not have criminal record. Is it the Democrats' position that people should not be deported after they have been ordered removed by immigration court, so long as they have not committed a crime other than illegal entry?

The Democrats don't need to define a position: the Trump administration does. They said they were going after the "worst of the worst." IT IS A LIE. They said they had to send 3000 goons to Minnesota because they're was zero cooperation. IT IS A LIE. Why don't they restate their position and say that they are overwhelmingly going after law-abiding working people who pay taxes? Let's see how popular that is.

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Anonymous wrote:

^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

They are not all non-criminals. According to libertarian/conservative Cato Institute, in November 2025 5% of the people detained by ICE had violent crime convictions.

Next question, how is the percentage trending? The percentage is going down: "The share of arrested immigrants with violent convictions fell from 9% in January 2025 to less than 5% by October 2025."

Cato also said the below, so people can stop with the revisionist history that Biden had an Open Borders. That's just MAGA propaganda and an inability to understand two things happening at once:

Summary

The main takeaways are:

Illegal immigration had already increased to a 21-year high before Biden entered office.
Biden immediately started increasing expulsions from his first day in office.
Biden tripled interior detention and increased border detention 12-fold.
Biden increased air removal flights by 55 percent over 2020 levels.
Biden negotiated broader expulsion deals with foreign countries than Trump.
Biden got many foreign countries to carry out crackdowns on illegal and legal migration.
Biden removed or expelled 3.3 million border crossers—three times as many as Trump.
Biden even managed to remove a similar percentage of crossers as Trump’s four years.

Despite Biden’s historic crackdown:

Expulsions did not deter migrants, even among demographics universally expelled.
The percentage increase in evasions of Border Patrol increased as much as Border Patrol arrests, implying that releases did not cause the crisis and that many people did not want Border Patrol to catch them but were undeterred by the threat.
Releases occurred not because Biden cut removals but because migration grew faster than the administration could increase them.
As a result, releases only occurred among specific demographic groups and in certain areas where removals were logistically complicated.
Biden could not easily remove groups to Mexico, like families, children, and immigrants from distant countries who were arrested in record numbers.

The actual causes of the increases in illegal immigration were:

Unprecedented labor demand, which incentivized and funded migration from around the world: From February 2021 to August 2024, there were more open jobs each month than in any month before Biden’s term began. During this time, economies worldwide were recovering far less quickly than the United States. As labor demand subsided in 2024, immigration fell.
Unprecedented access to information about migration through the Internet and social media: Internet access rose rapidly from 2018 to 2021, nearly doubling in Central America and reaching unprecedented highs in South America. Social media platforms gave people step-by-step instructions on migrating and connected them directly with smugglers. This opened migration from around the world, which contributed to the number of releases.
Novel and perverse enforcement policies: The Title 42 expulsion policy incentivized repeat crossings by returning people to Mexico, where they could immediately attempt to re-enter the United States. Title 42 also cut off access to asylum, incentivizing more Border Patrol evasions.
Novel and perverse legal migration policies: Title 42 not only banned asylum for people who crossed illegally but also prohibited legal entries by asylum seekers, including demographic groups that had traditionally always entered legally, like Haitians, Cubans, and Mexican families. Biden eventually increased legal entries by these groups and others, limiting the crisis’s extent and ultimately contributing to its end.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

^^PPS (my last one, as I have to get to work)

This reminds me of what happened with DOGE and federal employees. There really was this overarching assumption that "they're dumb, and lazy, and they're only doing their jobs because they get money for doing nothing. Offer them a glazed carrot on a stick, and we can take the whole thing down without even having to fire them." But nope. The overall numbers were a spit in the wind, and the civil service kept it together -- limping, but not crashing.

I think there was this thing about Minneapolis that "oooh, they're 'nice,' and it's a bunch of liberals who bake casseroles and live soft little lives in their soft little city that refuses to vote for me. Let's arm up some guys and let them loose, Call of Duty style." Welp. Doncha know, that isn't going as planned.

Trump underestimates America. So does Miller, so does Bannon, so does Vought. And they keep underestimating, and we keep learning what works. It's nice to be proud of something again.

+1 This administration also thinks that white people don’t want these “other people” in their neighborhoods and can’t imagine anyone lifting a finger to help them.

Why none of these neighbors helped any of the illegal immigrants to legalize? They surely could have sponsored them, help them with employment visa, talent visa, pay for their immigration attorneys to expedite them receiving green cards? Why do they think whistle blowing would help these illegal aliens somehow to obtain a legal status?

Most of the people being snatched were in the system, gaining legal status. They didn't need help to legalize. Don't you get it? ICE is standing at courthouses abducting people showing up for their status hearings or worse, for their swearing in ceremonies. They are not abducting the actual criminals that we all agree should be deported.

The list of the deported includes a long list of criminal convictions, including violent crimes. Why do you call them non-criminals?

They are not all non-criminals. According to libertarian/conservative Cato Institute, in November 2025 5% of the people detained by ICE had violent crime convictions.

Next question, how is the percentage trending? The percentage is going down: "The share of arrested immigrants with violent convictions fell from 9% in January 2025 to less than 5% by October 2025."