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Anonymous wrote:If my kid was on Coppermine and had the opportunity to join SW Hero’s or M&D I’d do it in a heartbeat. You never want to be part of a test case.

The earlier questions were about Coppermine vs SW. Heros and M&D are unquestionably better for recruiting for the foreseeable future and if those are options for your daughter and she wants to make the move, she should go. However, SW has already taken a back seat to Coppermine. This is already baked into the cake, and no matter how many SW parents protest, they're now the 4th best club in the Baltimore area. The Baltimore crowd knows this already. It's apparently taking the DC crowd some time to get up to speed. There are worse things than being 4th in that region.

Anonymous wrote:If my kid was on Coppermine and had the opportunity to join SW Hero’s or M&D I’d do it in a heartbeat. You never want to be part of a test case.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

My understanding is that the recruiting director, their relationships, and club reputation have as much to do with successful placement of the full roster, as just getting into top brackets Top players will get seen if they are in the top brackets, but it's the 5-20 that need that advocacy and connections, right?

So I agree with posters suggesting Coppermine has a better shot to break through than Crush. Coppermine's gravitational pull, with several of the top players in the country, 3 year track record, and ranking give them a strong shot, but if I was a parent there, I would be very focused on who the recruiting director is and what their bona fides are if my DD wasn't one of the top 5 players or a starter.

Crush is an interesting case. They are absolutely playing in the top brackets, are a legit top 5-10 team, and could make a strong case for themselves with the high school tourneys like President's Cup. On the recruiting side, the coach is a top 10 D3 coach, and lax is a small world, but yes, agree that it's unproven and a question mark. They do seem to be a close knit group, but I realize it's everyone for themselves come recruiting time.

The top 5 Coppermine players actually have the most to lose by putting their trust in a club with weak recruiting history. Wrong to assume a team’s record is enough to attract top D1 attention. If Coppermine doesn’t have a recruiting director with a strong network it’s better to go with a club where those relationships are intact. Players need to decide soon as summer tryouts will determine where these kids will play when recruiting season kicks in during fall 2025.

Isn’t it the Fall of 2026 that recruiting starts for Class of 2028?

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

My understanding is that the recruiting director, their relationships, and club reputation have as much to do with successful placement of the full roster, as just getting into top brackets Top players will get seen if they are in the top brackets, but it's the 5-20 that need that advocacy and connections, right?

So I agree with posters suggesting Coppermine has a better shot to break through than Crush. Coppermine's gravitational pull, with several of the top players in the country, 3 year track record, and ranking give them a strong shot, but if I was a parent there, I would be very focused on who the recruiting director is and what their bona fides are if my DD wasn't one of the top 5 players or a starter.

Crush is an interesting case. They are absolutely playing in the top brackets, are a legit top 5-10 team, and could make a strong case for themselves with the high school tourneys like President's Cup. On the recruiting side, the coach is a top 10 D3 coach, and lax is a small world, but yes, agree that it's unproven and a question mark. They do seem to be a close knit group, but I realize it's everyone for themselves come recruiting time.

How does this work for the top clubs "B" teams like M&D Red or Heros White? They have the same recruiting director as the A teams. Would a girl have a better chance of being recruited there than playing for a top team but no recruiting history?

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

My understanding is that the recruiting director, their relationships, and club reputation have as much to do with successful placement of the full roster, as just getting into top brackets Top players will get seen if they are in the top brackets, but it's the 5-20 that need that advocacy and connections, right?

So I agree with posters suggesting Coppermine has a better shot to break through than Crush. Coppermine's gravitational pull, with several of the top players in the country, 3 year track record, and ranking give them a strong shot, but if I was a parent there, I would be very focused on who the recruiting director is and what their bona fides are if my DD wasn't one of the top 5 players or a starter.

Crush is an interesting case. They are absolutely playing in the top brackets, are a legit top 5-10 team, and could make a strong case for themselves with the high school tourneys like President's Cup. On the recruiting side, the coach is a top 10 D3 coach, and lax is a small world, but yes, agree that it's unproven and a question mark. They do seem to be a close knit group, but I realize it's everyone for themselves come recruiting time.

The top 5 Coppermine players actually have the most to lose by putting their trust in a club with weak recruiting history. Wrong to assume a team’s record is enough to attract top D1 attention. If Coppermine doesn’t have a recruiting director with a strong network it’s better to go with a club where those relationships are intact. Players need to decide soon as summer tryouts will determine where these kids will play when recruiting season kicks in during fall 2025.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

My understanding is that the recruiting director, their relationships, and club reputation have as much to do with successful placement of the full roster, as just getting into top brackets Top players will get seen if they are in the top brackets, but it's the 5-20 that need that advocacy and connections, right?

So I agree with posters suggesting Coppermine has a better shot to break through than Crush. Coppermine's gravitational pull, with several of the top players in the country, 3 year track record, and ranking give them a strong shot, but if I was a parent there, I would be very focused on who the recruiting director is and what their bona fides are if my DD wasn't one of the top 5 players or a starter.

Crush is an interesting case. They are absolutely playing in the top brackets, are a legit top 5-10 team, and could make a strong case for themselves with the high school tourneys like President's Cup. On the recruiting side, the coach is a top 10 D3 coach, and lax is a small world, but yes, agree that it's unproven and a question mark. They do seem to be a close knit group, but I realize it's everyone for themselves come recruiting time.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

My understanding is that the recruiting director, their relationships, and club reputation have as much to do with successful placement of the full roster, as just getting into top brackets Top players will get seen if they are in the top brackets, but it's the 5-20 that need that advocacy and connections, right?

So I agree with posters suggesting Coppermine has a better shot to break through than Crush. Coppermine's gravitational pull, with several of the top players in the country, 3 year track record, and ranking give them a strong shot, but if I was a parent there, I would be very focused on who the recruiting director is and what their bona fides are if my DD wasn't one of the top 5 players or a starter.

Crush is an interesting case. They are absolutely playing in the top brackets, are a legit top 5-10 team, and could make a strong case for themselves with the high school tourneys like President's Cup. On the recruiting side, the coach is a top 10 D3 coach, and lax is a small world, but yes, agree that it's unproven and a question mark. They do seem to be a close knit group, but I realize it's everyone for themselves come recruiting time.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

Somebody please educate me on what happened to this Pride 23 team? Did it fall apart? The girls didn't get recruited?

Anonymous wrote:How is it this thread is so active and BOTC is dead? Even on the subject of MD teams this is a far more interesting read.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

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Anonymous wrote:If a club isn’t known for being competitive, regardless of how good a specific team may be, they won’t attract the same level of coaches to their games compared to other clubs with more established recruiting histories.

Coppermine 2028 is currently in the top bracket in all the big tournaments and there is no reason to think this will change for high school so all the coaches will be there. Question remains if tournaments continue to put SW teams in the top bracket if they are ranked in the #18-30 spots and do not deserve to be there. That is when the real shift will happen.

This is exactly what the Pride 23 team thought. They were in all the big tournaments too and assumed their performance would win the day when it came time for recruiting. It didn’t happen that way.

I don't know a ton about Pride 23- was that team in the top bracket at those tournaments? I would imagine no if it was the club's first real try at keeping a team together for high school. There are a ton of teams at the top tournaments now so just being there would not help if you are not in the top 1-2 brackets and coaches won't go looking very far.