Anonymous wrote:Today the number of cases outside of China has eclipsed the number of cases in China.

China: 80,849

Rest of the World: 81,807 (More than half from 3 countries: 25% from Italy, 17% from Iran, 10% South Korea)

Total:162,646

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

What are the co-morbidities? Yet another scare tactic.

That was the point of the article, yes. To scare you.

But you're too brave for that.

Sorry? I'm the one who went shopping for the stuff that is gone now BEFORE it was gone. I didn't go to CPAC because of the large crowd. I didn't go to other events for the same reason. I'm practical though. Articles like this are a promotion for the hospital. Washington State should be Italy by now. It's not.

You didn't even read it...

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Are you for real?

The PP you are responding to clearly has been following international news on this while you have not. The only countries that have distinguished themselves in handling this are the several Asian nations that went through a very tough challenge with SARS, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea and pulled out their playbooks to avoid a repeat.

There is NO European country that has handled this well, despite the praise one often sees here for their health systems. Italy was clearly caught totally unaware but citizens say there were strong political factors behind the delay. Let us look at countries that had ample warning that failed to take this seriously.

Italy has 350 cases per million; in comparison the US has 9.3. I was a huge early critic of lack of testing (because I was following the Asian situation) and posted here about it but almost no one cared. Let us say with more testing--on a par with some other European countries testing, bearing in mind that most have been only slightly less restrictive and some more restrictive than the US--we would have maybe three to four times as many or 30 to 40.

What's in between? Switzerland--256--they just closed schools Friday, a day after they closed some (not all) of their crossings with Italy and residents say testing is very restricted; Norway--222--again very slow to act although being one of the richest countries in Europe; Spain--166--just last week started closing down schools and pubic places; Denmark--149--just closed its borders Friday; Sweden--101; Austria--89; Belgium--76--just closed schools and public places; France--69--last weekend Macron and his wife went to the theater to encourage the French to continue going out despite the virus, but put in Spain type closures this weekend; Netherlands--66--testing stingier than the US; Germany--65--only now beginning to think of restrictions and testing is not widespread--unlike Spain and Italy they do not test the untested dead.

On the old thread that has been locked because it became too large, people were posting all about the global situation and politics (not policy) comments were reported and deleted. On this new thread people have lost track of the global situation as personal concerns (stockpiling, I am coughing should I get tested?) and political comments have come to dominate. As a result, those who just started following this when it seemed to come close to home are unable to understand the US situation in the international context.

I’ve been following for over a month and what has been lacking is leadership. I wonder who, in recent history, usually steps in in times of crisis and plays the role of global leader?

If you think Obama, Clinton, even Bush fear chrissakes wouldn’t have handled this better you are DELUSIONAL. We all may have been a bit behind still but this administration is actively making things worse by continuing to deny the reality and insist this is some liberal plot to hurt Trump politically. Then they enact policies that are not only pointless but actually make things infinitely worse...see the OHare situation. And I absolutely believe they are deliberately not testing to keep the numbers down. He came right out and said he wanted the numbers low when discussing the cruise.

Testing the population is pandemic 101. He’s turned us into a sh1thole country.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

What are the co-morbidities? Yet another scare tactic.

That was the point of the article, yes. To scare you.

But you're too brave for that.

Sorry? I'm the one who went shopping for the stuff that is gone now BEFORE it was gone. I didn't go to CPAC because of the large crowd. I didn't go to other events for the same reason. I'm practical though. Articles like this are a promotion for the hospital. Washington State should be Italy by now. It's not.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

What are the co-morbidities? Yet another scare tactic.

That was the point of the article, yes. To scare you.

But you're too brave for that.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

What are the co-morbidities? Yet another scare tactic.

How is it less scary if they have co-morbidities? Millions in America have health issues. I’d be shocked if you don’t know many who do.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

What are the co-morbidities? Yet another scare tactic.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

What are the co-morbidities? Yet another scare tactic.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

He said their 11 hospitalized people are men between the ages of 28 and 48. FYI

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Are you for real?

The PP you are responding to clearly has been following international news on this while you have not. The only countries that have distinguished themselves in handling this are the several Asian nations that went through a very tough challenge with SARS, Singapore, Taiwan, Hong Kong, and South Korea and pulled out their playbooks to avoid a repeat.

There is NO European country that has handled this well, despite the praise one often sees here for their health systems. Italy was clearly caught totally unaware but citizens say there were strong political factors behind the delay. Let us look at countries that had ample warning that failed to take this seriously.

Italy has 350 cases per million; in comparison the US has 9.3. I was a huge early critic of lack of testing (because I was following the Asian situation) and posted here about it but almost no one cared. Let us say with more testing--on a par with some other European countries testing, bearing in mind that most have been only slightly less restrictive and some more restrictive than the US--we would have maybe three to four times as many or 30 to 40.

What's in between? Switzerland--256--they just closed schools Friday, a day after they closed some (not all) of their crossings with Italy and residents say testing is very restricted; Norway--222--again very slow to act although being one of the richest countries in Europe; Spain--166--just last week started closing down schools and pubic places; Denmark--149--just closed its borders Friday; Sweden--101; Austria--89; Belgium--76--just closed schools and public places; France--69--last weekend Macron and his wife went to the theater to encourage the French to continue going out despite the virus, but put in Spain type closures this weekend; Netherlands--66--testing stingier than the US; Germany--65--only now beginning to think of restrictions and testing is not widespread--unlike Spain and Italy they do not test the untested dead.

On the old thread that has been locked because it became too large, people were posting all about the global situation and politics (not policy) comments were reported and deleted. On this new thread people have lost track of the global situation as personal concerns (stockpiling, I am coughing should I get tested?) and political comments have come to dominate. As a result, those who just started following this when it seemed to come close to home are unable to understand the US situation in the international context.

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Bwahahahaha. You really don't think that political leadership matters? Both in the long and the short term, if we had a president who understood epidemics we would have a CDC pandemic team in place, we would have authorized the CDC to use the WHO test, we would have incentivized labs and private manufacturers to ramp up production of tests, masks, and other essential medical equipment, we would have not made crazy announcements to upset the stock market. We would not have politicized the pandemic and we would not have to hear idiotic statements about transcripts and pleas to avoid testing to keep numbers artificially low. Elections matter.

The government should have set up production in this country back in December to start making masks for everyone, test kids, hospital supplies, hand sanitizer etc. This we knew was coming. Anyone who was watching China back in December knew this was coming. The US failed!

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Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’

1) They do not give us the ages of the people or co-morbities
2) They don't tell us what life is like during normal flu season
3) He compares the situation to what he's seen in Haiti.
4) He's a CEO. This is promotion of the hospital

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:https://www.nbcwashington.com/news/local/wife-desperate-for-husbands-coronavirus-results/2241519/

What does it mean be can’t be treated for the virus until they know the results? I obviously feel awful for this family and totally understand the desire for a test result. But will that really change the course of treatment?

Probably not, since there is not treatment. But it does concern me that the largest hospital nearest me (where we would go should things become critical), doesn’t seem to have the capability to get rapid test results and/or to communicate to the family in a reassuring way that they are treating the patient as if he has it and are treating him aggressively, as they would (I hope) any younger person in critical condition with pneumonia.

I hate this administration. They have f***ed this up beyond belief.

It's easy to snap out at current politicians when feeling frustrated and angry. But I don't think any other politician would have had a different impact. Look at Europe. They all also waited before making major actions.

Are you for real?

Anonymous wrote:https://www.roi-nj.com/2020/03/14/opinion/life-at-the-epicenter-of-n-j-s-coronavirus-outbreak/

Holy Name CEO Maron, with 11 current cases and six patients in the ICU, says state may not realize how serious this: ‘There is absolute reason to be extremely cautious, to be very concerned’