Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The right wing excuses and non-answers in this thread really demonstrate the damage that right wing propaganda is doing to this country. Republicans legitimately seem confused about basic civics stuff, and that would be okay (we all forget some of that stuff) if they didn’t believe conspiracy theories instead of searching out the actual answers.
Republicans:
Here's a simple test for figuring out when you are being manipulated by your so-called "media" sources:
If you change "Trump" to "Hillary" or "Obama" in any headline, does your feeling about the topic at hand immediately change to the exact opposite?
"Trump kept classified documents in boxes in his basement." EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE!
"Hillary kept classified documents on a server in her basement." LOCK HER UP!
By law, Hillary can’t declassify documents
There is no evidence that Trump declassified these documents. By even if he had, they still would not be his documents to take.
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The rest of that story is that Biden was in this from the beginning and didn’t hear about it ‘when we did, through the media’. His administration waived Trump’s executive privilege. That will probably go to the SC. Given the history of the FBI targeting, I know how that will probably go
Source for these claims?
Idiot PP took the bait. Trumpy “journalist” John Solomon was given the OK to release the letter to get his base all riled up about Biden. But what the letter actually does reveal is hideously bad for Trump.
There is no bait to take. What I said was true. Garland said it was all him and the Biden administration claimed they had nothing to do with it.
The raid, dummy. Biden said he had nothing to do with the raid. That is different than the substance of the underlying dispute. Really people stop creating false disputes.
Ah, so Biden found out about it when we did?
The raid? Yes. Unless you have some proof that Biden is lying.
“According to memos obtained by Just the News, the National ‘acting’ Archivist ran to Joe Biden’s White House, talked to the lawyer, and said Trump’s asserting executive privilege over some presidential papers at Mar-a-Lago. Can you waive your predecessor’s privilege?” Watters recapped.
“The Counsel to the President has informed me that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here,” Wall’s letter stated, “President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President’s purported ‘protective assertion of executive privilege’…I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege.”
“This has never been done before and Joe Biden’s lawyer said yeah, waive the privilege. And that set the raid in motion,”
That was months and months before the search and after NARA’s criminal referral to the DOJ. What is this from? Why is “acting” in quotes?
Nara’s letter stated specifically that WH counsel was involved, and the lawyer stated that he spoke to Biden about waiving privilege. Biden might have not know what date the raid was going down, but he knew it was going down. Where else have we heard the line ‘we heard about it through media the day the American people did”? Obama era
Just think about what you are saying. Several months ago, Trump exerted Executive Privilege for why he might not wish to return documents that he is by law required to return. NARA turned to the only person holding Executive Privilege and said "do you want to intervene here?" Biden said "no." How do you get from there to "Biden signed off on a raid!" There are so many other ways things could have gone. Like Trump actually cooperating. None of us would have heard about any of this if he had just handed over the papers he had no rights to.
Anonymous wrote:Most normal people have no idea how scary the words “special access program” is.
Finding those kinds of documents in random boxes of crap, in a closet at a private residence, is like finding a bloody knife and footprints.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The rest of that story is that Biden was in this from the beginning and didn’t hear about it ‘when we did, through the media’. His administration waived Trump’s executive privilege. That will probably go to the SC. Given the history of the FBI targeting, I know how that will probably go
Source for these claims?
Idiot PP took the bait. Trumpy “journalist” John Solomon was given the OK to release the letter to get his base all riled up about Biden. But what the letter actually does reveal is hideously bad for Trump.
There is no bait to take. What I said was true. Garland said it was all him and the Biden administration claimed they had nothing to do with it.
The raid, dummy. Biden said he had nothing to do with the raid. That is different than the substance of the underlying dispute. Really people stop creating false disputes.
Ah, so Biden found out about it when we did?
The raid? Yes. Unless you have some proof that Biden is lying.
“According to memos obtained by Just the News, the National ‘acting’ Archivist ran to Joe Biden’s White House, talked to the lawyer, and said Trump’s asserting executive privilege over some presidential papers at Mar-a-Lago. Can you waive your predecessor’s privilege?” Watters recapped.
“The Counsel to the President has informed me that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here,” Wall’s letter stated, “President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President’s purported ‘protective assertion of executive privilege’…I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege.”
“This has never been done before and Joe Biden’s lawyer said yeah, waive the privilege. And that set the raid in motion,”
That was months and months before the search and after NARA’s criminal referral to the DOJ. What is this from? Why is “acting” in quotes?
Nara’s letter stated specifically that WH counsel was involved, and the lawyer stated that he spoke to Biden about waiving privilege. Biden might have not know what date the raid was going down, but he knew it was going down. Where else have we heard the line ‘we heard about it through media the day the American people did”? Obama era
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
The rest of that story is that Biden was in this from the beginning and didn’t hear about it ‘when we did, through the media’. His administration waived Trump’s executive privilege. That will probably go to the SC. Given the history of the FBI targeting, I know how that will probably go
Source for these claims?
Idiot PP took the bait. Trumpy “journalist” John Solomon was given the OK to release the letter to get his base all riled up about Biden. But what the letter actually does reveal is hideously bad for Trump.
There is no bait to take. What I said was true. Garland said it was all him and the Biden administration claimed they had nothing to do with it.
The raid, dummy. Biden said he had nothing to do with the raid. That is different than the substance of the underlying dispute. Really people stop creating false disputes.
Ah, so Biden found out about it when we did?
The raid? Yes. Unless you have some proof that Biden is lying.
“According to memos obtained by Just the News, the National ‘acting’ Archivist ran to Joe Biden’s White House, talked to the lawyer, and said Trump’s asserting executive privilege over some presidential papers at Mar-a-Lago. Can you waive your predecessor’s privilege?” Watters recapped.
“The Counsel to the President has informed me that, in light of the particular circumstances presented here,” Wall’s letter stated, “President Biden defers to my determination, in consultation with the Assistant Attorney General for the Office of Legal Counsel, regarding whether or not I should uphold the former President’s purported ‘protective assertion of executive privilege’…I have therefore decided not to honor the former President’s ‘protective’ claim of privilege.”
“This has never been done before and Joe Biden’s lawyer said yeah, waive the privilege. And that set the raid in motion,”
That was months and months before the search and after NARA’s criminal referral to the DOJ. What is this from? Why is “acting” in quotes?
Nara’s letter stated specifically that WH counsel was involved, and the lawyer stated that he spoke to Biden about waiving privilege. Biden might have not know what date the raid was going down, but he knew it was going down. Where else have we heard the line ‘we heard about it through media the day the American people did”? Obama era
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The right wing excuses and non-answers in this thread really demonstrate the damage that right wing propaganda is doing to this country. Republicans legitimately seem confused about basic civics stuff, and that would be okay (we all forget some of that stuff) if they didn’t believe conspiracy theories instead of searching out the actual answers.
Republicans:
Here's a simple test for figuring out when you are being manipulated by your so-called "media" sources:
If you change "Trump" to "Hillary" or "Obama" in any headline, does your feeling about the topic at hand immediately change to the exact opposite?
"Trump kept classified documents in boxes in his basement." EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE!
"Hillary kept classified documents on a server in her basement." LOCK HER UP!
By law, Hillary can’t declassify documents
The Secretary of State most certainly can declassify documents.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:The right wing excuses and non-answers in this thread really demonstrate the damage that right wing propaganda is doing to this country. Republicans legitimately seem confused about basic civics stuff, and that would be okay (we all forget some of that stuff) if they didn’t believe conspiracy theories instead of searching out the actual answers.
Republicans:
Here's a simple test for figuring out when you are being manipulated by your so-called "media" sources:
If you change "Trump" to "Hillary" or "Obama" in any headline, does your feeling about the topic at hand immediately change to the exact opposite?
"Trump kept classified documents in boxes in his basement." EXECUTIVE PRIVILEGE!
"Hillary kept classified documents on a server in her basement." LOCK HER UP!
By law, Hillary can’t declassify documents
Anonymous wrote:The damage that Trump (and Trumpsters) have done to this country is going to last for a very very long time, and most of it the public will never know about. I really weep for this country. IMO, it's worse than what GWB/Cheney did regards to the WMD fiasco, which is the reason I left the R party.