Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few pages back someone was claiming that Colleen Hoover never wanted Justin Baldoni to play Ryle and that it was a decision that was sprung on her. Huh?

This is an email she sent Justin in 2019:

"Have you given any thought to whether you would want an acting role in this? Say, maybe, Ryle? I could see it."

Oh, don’t get me started on the rewriting history with Colleen on this thread. People are painting it as if 2019 Colleen Hoover was a nobody self publisher, even though she’d sold millions and millions of books, more than 99% of writers ever will. She didn’t sell to Justin on a whim. They had lengthy discussions and yes, she asked him to play Ryle and he was hesitant with directing and acting.

She had been a self published author and had done fine, but not great. I think S&S might have picked her up, but still just did fine. BookTok made her explode, then she had an entire backlist of books that then also started selling like crazy.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the giant document dump is confusing people. People are reading things that Blake, Justin, and others said in texts and emails that are coming out now in the unsealing, and conflating that with arguments being made in court. They are the same thing.

Blake told friends in private texts/emails that she "basically" had to direct the movie because she felt Justin was so incompetent. But that is not the argument she's making in legal filings. At no point in any of her filings is she contending that, actually, she directed the movie. It's just something she said to friends. Now, depending on whose side you're on here, you might view those claims as either (1) evidence that Blake had a lot of power on the movie and therefore was not an employee and also could not have been harassed, OR (2) evidence that Justin was so incompetent that Blake felt she had no choice but to take over.

But it's actually not good evidence of either. People say all kinds of stuff in communications with friends. None of these were formal work communications. I tend to think the texts with Taylor and Matt Damon, the email to Affleck, etc., as fun as they are to discuss, will have little to no bearing on the case. Most likely won't even be brought in at trial, and those that are will mostly be brought just to show something like "state of mind" not to establish Blake's employment status.

The PGA letter is obviously different, that's actual evidence of Blake's position within the film. But that one actually makes me laugh because it puts both sides in a bind.

The pro-Lively folks want to argue that (1) Justin was incompetent and Blake had no choice but to take over the movie, making the PGA letter truthful and her PGA credit merited, AND (2) that Blake was just an employee of the movie and Justin/Jamey were very powerful and harassed her. See how that's hard to argue?

But the pro-Baldoni folks wind up in a similar bind because they want the opposite. They want to argue that (1) Blake didn't deserve he PGA credit and didn't actually do the stuff she claims to have done in the PGA letter and was not as instrumental in the making of the movie as she claims, AND (2) that she was too powerful and had too much control over the set to have been harassed by Justin and Jamey.

It's just funny. Everyone sucks here, and everyone is a hypocrite!

You are way over simplifying here. The people on Baldoni side are arguing that she used her power to take credit for the movie. She clearly did not do any work on the movie before production, which is a huge lift, she came onto the set and and her every demand was met, but that didn’t mean that she did any work. She didn’t want to go to a wardrobe fitting so she had them come to the house. She didn’t want to film in Boston so she made them move it to New Jersey closer to where she lives. She couldn’t be bothered with going to producer meetings so she invited Heath and her trailer while she was breast-feeding.

She had ultimate power on the set of the movie, but no one was saying she did any work. She just had people bend to her will and now she’s trying to take credit for it. There’s no contradiction there.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few pages back someone was claiming that Colleen Hoover never wanted Justin Baldoni to play Ryle and that it was a decision that was sprung on her. Huh?

This is an email she sent Justin in 2019:

"Have you given any thought to whether you would want an acting role in this? Say, maybe, Ryle? I could see it."

Good point. Always call that poster on her bs because there is a lot of it in her five paragraph posts.

Anonymous wrote:I think the giant document dump is confusing people. People are reading things that Blake, Justin, and others said in texts and emails that are coming out now in the unsealing, and conflating that with arguments being made in court. They are the same thing.

Blake told friends in private texts/emails that she "basically" had to direct the movie because she felt Justin was so incompetent. But that is not the argument she's making in legal filings. At no point in any of her filings is she contending that, actually, she directed the movie. It's just something she said to friends. Now, depending on whose side you're on here, you might view those claims as either (1) evidence that Blake had a lot of power on the movie and therefore was not an employee and also could not have been harassed, OR (2) evidence that Justin was so incompetent that Blake felt she had no choice but to take over.

But it's actually not good evidence of either. People say all kinds of stuff in communications with friends. None of these were formal work communications. I tend to think the texts with Taylor and Matt Damon, the email to Affleck, etc., as fun as they are to discuss, will have little to no bearing on the case. Most likely won't even be brought in at trial, and those that are will mostly be brought just to show something like "state of mind" not to establish Blake's employment status.

The PGA letter is obviously different, that's actual evidence of Blake's position within the film. But that one actually makes me laugh because it puts both sides in a bind.

The pro-Lively folks want to argue that (1) Justin was incompetent and Blake had no choice but to take over the movie, making the PGA letter truthful and her PGA credit merited, AND (2) that Blake was just an employee of the movie and Justin/Jamey were very powerful and harassed her. See how that's hard to argue?

But the pro-Baldoni folks wind up in a similar bind because they want the opposite. They want to argue that (1) Blake didn't deserve he PGA credit and didn't actually do the stuff she claims to have done in the PGA letter and was not as instrumental in the making of the movie as she claims, AND (2) that she was too powerful and had too much control over the set to have been harassed by Justin and Jamey.

It's just funny. Everyone sucks here, and everyone is a hypocrite!

Anonymous wrote:I think the giant document dump is confusing people. People are reading things that Blake, Justin, and others said in texts and emails that are coming out now in the unsealing, and conflating that with arguments being made in court. They are the same thing.

Blake told friends in private texts/emails that she "basically" had to direct the movie because she felt Justin was so incompetent. But that is not the argument she's making in legal filings. At no point in any of her filings is she contending that, actually, she directed the movie. It's just something she said to friends. Now, depending on whose side you're on here, you might view those claims as either (1) evidence that Blake had a lot of power on the movie and therefore was not an employee and also could not have been harassed, OR (2) evidence that Justin was so incompetent that Blake felt she had no choice but to take over.

But it's actually not good evidence of either. People say all kinds of stuff in communications with friends. None of these were formal work communications. I tend to think the texts with Taylor and Matt Damon, the email to Affleck, etc., as fun as they are to discuss, will have little to no bearing on the case. Most likely won't even be brought in at trial, and those that are will mostly be brought just to show something like "state of mind" not to establish Blake's employment status.

The PGA letter is obviously different, that's actual evidence of Blake's position within the film. But that one actually makes me laugh because it puts both sides in a bind.

The pro-Lively folks want to argue that (1) Justin was incompetent and Blake had no choice but to take over the movie, making the PGA letter truthful and her PGA credit merited, AND (2) that Blake was just an employee of the movie and Justin/Jamey were very powerful and harassed her. See how that's hard to argue?

But the pro-Baldoni folks wind up in a similar bind because they want the opposite. They want to argue that (1) Blake didn't deserve he PGA credit and didn't actually do the stuff she claims to have done in the PGA letter and was not as instrumental in the making of the movie as she claims, AND (2) that she was too powerful and had too much control over the set to have been harassed by Justin and Jamey.

It's just funny. Everyone sucks here, and everyone is a hypocrite!

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reminder Blake, Ryan, and Taylor all have zero higher education. They really are this stupid. What we’ve been sold about their abilities and intellect is fake marketing. There is no there there. They are dullard schemers with arrested development.

And where are Justin's and Jamey's college degree from, pray tell.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few pages back someone was claiming that Colleen Hoover never wanted Justin Baldoni to play Ryle and that it was a decision that was sprung on her. Huh?

This is an email she sent Justin in 2019:

"Have you given any thought to whether you would want an acting role in this? Say, maybe, Ryle? I could see it."

Oh, don’t get me started on the rewriting history with Colleen on this thread. People are painting it as if 2019 Colleen Hoover was a nobody self publisher, even though she’d sold millions and millions of books, more than 99% of writers ever will. She didn’t sell to Justin on a whim. They had lengthy discussions and yes, she asked him to play Ryle and he was hesitant with directing and acting.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Reminder Blake, Ryan, and Taylor all have zero higher education. They really are this stupid. What we’ve been sold about their abilities and intellect is fake marketing. There is no there there. There dullard schemers with arrested development.

And where are Justin's and Jamey's college degree from, pray tell.

Anonymous wrote:I think the giant document dump is confusing people. People are reading things that Blake, Justin, and others said in texts and emails that are coming out now in the unsealing, and conflating that with arguments being made in court. They are the same thing.

Blake told friends in private texts/emails that she "basically" had to direct the movie because she felt Justin was so incompetent. But that is not the argument she's making in legal filings. At no point in any of her filings is she contending that, actually, she directed the movie. It's just something she said to friends. Now, depending on whose side you're on here, you might view those claims as either (1) evidence that Blake had a lot of power on the movie and therefore was not an employee and also could not have been harassed, OR (2) evidence that Justin was so incompetent that Blake felt she had no choice but to take over.

But it's actually not good evidence of either. People say all kinds of stuff in communications with friends. None of these were formal work communications. I tend to think the texts with Taylor and Matt Damon, the email to Affleck, etc., as fun as they are to discuss, will have little to no bearing on the case. Most likely won't even be brought in at trial, and those that are will mostly be brought just to show something like "state of mind" not to establish Blake's employment status.

The PGA letter is obviously different, that's actual evidence of Blake's position within the film. But that one actually makes me laugh because it puts both sides in a bind.

The pro-Lively folks want to argue that (1) Justin was incompetent and Blake had no choice but to take over the movie, making the PGA letter truthful and her PGA credit merited, AND (2) that Blake was just an employee of the movie and Justin/Jamey were very powerful and harassed her. See how that's hard to argue?

But the pro-Baldoni folks wind up in a similar bind because they want the opposite. They want to argue that (1) Blake didn't deserve he PGA credit and didn't actually do the stuff she claims to have done in the PGA letter and was not as instrumental in the making of the movie as she claims, AND (2) that she was too powerful and had too much control over the set to have been harassed by Justin and Jamey.

It's just funny. Everyone sucks here, and everyone is a hypocrite!

Anonymous wrote:Reminder Blake, Ryan, and Taylor all have zero higher education. They really are this stupid. What we’ve been sold about their abilities and intellect is fake marketing. There is no there there. There dullard schemers with arrested development.