The gait and walk and crotch grabbing seems like a woman trying to be a man.

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Anonymous wrote:The front door was not broken. Why did Nancy open the door for a masked man? The only answer that makes sense is the masked man after dumping the doorbell camera , removed his mask then rang the doorbell and Nancy recognized/knows the man well and trusts him.

Older people can easily be tricked into something like that by making them think a family member is in trouble. For example, he could have pounded on the door screaming, “Mom, help!” And she would have run to the door and opened it, thinking she was helping her son. Then he grabbed her, which is why there was a small amount of blood, but not enough for a serious injury.

Not saying this is what happened. Just an example of how she could be tricked into opening the door and leaving a small amount of blood behind.

Her son lives on the East coast. She wouldn’t open the door for that. She wasn’t senile. Someone knocks the door at 2am. She knew it would be a perp unless it wasn’t a perp and someone she knew and trusted.. like her son in law, daughter, or an associate. Do we know if anyone else was at that dinner at Annie’s house? Why do the investigators keep returning to Annie’s home? Are they playing this by ear and expecting social media to solve this for them because that’s what it looks like? Every time social media comes with a hot take that goes viral about the Guthries, they return to Annie and Tommaso’s home.

She did not know the person well. The images were only released to the public because they were checked against people that were in their circle and they didn't match anyone.

Why does he cup the camera in that weird way? If you were trying to block a camera, wouldn't you use your palm? Seems like he's doing something with his elbow and just happens to be blocking the camera. Maybe he was ringing the bell?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I truly hope that Savannah did not end up paying the ransom due to lack of communication especially now that it seems obvious the ransom was fake.

I hope that's not her in a ski mask.

You think one of the most well known news show anchors in the country possibly kidnapped her own mother? Like, you genuinely think there's a chance Savannah thought "My face is blasted all over television every morning but what the heck? I probably won't be recognized"?

You think she didn't know her own mother had a ring camera? To say nothing of the fact they've already accounted for the fact she was in NY when this happened?

I swear to God true crime has caused mass hysteria.

The person is wearing a ski mask.

Anonymous wrote:The $50k reward amount seems quite low for this profile of a case.

I think the fbi recommends not making tj reward too high or it brings out too many false tips.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The front door was not broken. Why did Nancy open the door for a masked man? The only answer that makes sense is the masked man after dumping the doorbell camera , removed his mask then rang the doorbell and Nancy recognized/knows the man well and trusts him.

Older people can easily be tricked into something like that by making them think a family member is in trouble. For example, he could have pounded on the door screaming, “Mom, help!” And she would have run to the door and opened it, thinking she was helping her son. Then he grabbed her, which is why there was a small amount of blood, but not enough for a serious injury.

Not saying this is what happened. Just an example of how she could be tricked into opening the door and leaving a small amount of blood behind.

So he grabbed her she’s standing there bleeding in pitch dark (maybe a mouth flashlight in the guys mouth which he’d have to remove to call for her) but not on the flowers and not across the entire porch. He turns back and makes sure he closes the door and walks off with her but the trail stops and there’s no car tire tracks according to the sheriff at the driveway. No screaming is heard. They just poof into the darkness.

Something is not adding up. Well, a lot of things are not adding up.

I don’t know how there would really be tire tracks. Driveways in Tucson are all either stone gravel or concrete. It’s not rainy season so there’s no mud on tires. I could walk all around my mom’s yard and leave no footprints because it is all rockscape.
No screaming makes sense to me. Why scream? Who would hear you? Plus many people freeze and don’t scream even when it would be effective.

I think she either was carried out firefighter style in a semi conscious state (perhaps after being hit on the head by a flashlight or similar), or walked out by her own volition after he pulled the gun and said “let’s make this easy….your daughter will pay us a little money and you’ll be home with her by dinner time.” Hostage takers almost always say something like that to reduce resistance — I don’t want to hurt you, they will pay the money and you’ll be home soon. That’s why the first two flights on 9-11 did not fight back — it’s only because people on tje third flight had their phones on and knew what was gojng on that they fought back.

The $50k reward amount seems quite low for this profile of a case.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Her blood was found on the front porch which means she was removed from The front after she opened the door. She would not open the door for a masked man.

She knew the kidnapper very well

I thought it had been reported that the back door was left open. The person could have disabled the front door camera, knowing that’s how he was going to come out with Nancy and didn’t want any footage of that, and gained entry to the house through the back.

That’s what I assumed happened and tracks with the blood on the stoop. I don’t find the flower shreds dispositive either way.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The front door was not broken. Why did Nancy open the door for a masked man? The only answer that makes sense is the masked man after dumping the doorbell camera , removed his mask then rang the doorbell and Nancy recognized/knows the man well and trusts him.

Older people can easily be tricked into something like that by making them think a family member is in trouble. For example, he could have pounded on the door screaming, “Mom, help!” And she would have run to the door and opened it, thinking she was helping her son. Then he grabbed her, which is why there was a small amount of blood, but not enough for a serious injury.

Not saying this is what happened. Just an example of how she could be tricked into opening the door and leaving a small amount of blood behind.

So he grabbed her she’s standing there bleeding in pitch dark (maybe a mouth flashlight in the guys mouth which he’d have to remove to call for her) but not on the flowers and not across the entire porch. He turns back and makes sure he closes the door and walks off with her but the trail stops and there’s no car tire tracks according to the sheriff at the driveway. No screaming is heard. They just poof into the darkness.

Something is not adding up. Well, a lot of things are not adding up.

Or the plant material landed there after Nancy was taken. No one knows anything.
NO WOMAN OPENS THEIR DOOR but lots of women open their door. They live in safe places and there are all sorts of reasons they might open their door. Some women won't.
Maybe he had locksmith tools in that full backpack
Maybe he went in the back door

I think that in addition to the celebrity factor, people are drawn to this case because it very much lends itself to the fashion for making up your own facts. We know when Nancy was last seen, and when Nancy's pacemaker went out of range of her phone and watch, we have some low quality footage of an assailant, some blood on the doorstep, but that is about it.

Anonymous wrote:The garage only being open for two minutes when she’s dropped off. She has limited mobility. She would need more time to get out of the car and into the house I would think.

Why was the blood on the porch not roped off by the Sheriffs immediately? Could this be old blood from a previous injury?

She can walk, just no more than 50 yards at a time. 2 minutes is plenty.

No idea how/why the Sheriff botched the porch blood.

The blood was not there in the doorcam video released by the FBI. It was after that.

The garage only being open for two minutes when she’s dropped off. She has limited mobility. She would need more time to get out of the car and into the house I would think.

Why was the blood on the porch not roped off by the Sheriffs immediately? Could this be old blood from a previous injury?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The front door was not broken. Why did Nancy open the door for a masked man? The only answer that makes sense is the masked man after dumping the doorbell camera , removed his mask then rang the doorbell and Nancy recognized/knows the man well and trusts him.

Older people can easily be tricked into something like that by making them think a family member is in trouble. For example, he could have pounded on the door screaming, “Mom, help!” And she would have run to the door and opened it, thinking she was helping her son. Then he grabbed her, which is why there was a small amount of blood, but not enough for a serious injury.

Not saying this is what happened. Just an example of how she could be tricked into opening the door and leaving a small amount of blood behind.

So he grabbed her she’s standing there bleeding in pitch dark (maybe a mouth flashlight in the guys mouth which he’d have to remove to call for her) but not on the flowers and not across the entire porch. He turns back and makes sure he closes the door and walks off with her but the trail stops and there’s no car tire tracks according to the sheriff at the driveway. No screaming is heard. They just poof into the darkness.

Something is not adding up. Well, a lot of things are not adding up.

The status of any doors or any forced entry (or lack thereof) has not been confirmed by authorities. We do not know any of that. We know the doorbell camera was removed and we know some floodlights on the property were damaged/broken.

Anonymous wrote:The front door was not broken. Why did Nancy open the door for a masked man? The only answer that makes sense is the masked man after dumping the doorbell camera , removed his mask then rang the doorbell and Nancy recognized/knows the man well and trusts him.

Older people can easily be tricked into something like that by making them think a family member is in trouble. For example, he could have pounded on the door screaming, “Mom, help!” And she would have run to the door and opened it, thinking she was helping her son. Then he grabbed her, which is why there was a small amount of blood, but not enough for a serious injury.

Not saying this is what happened. Just an example of how she could be tricked into opening the door and leaving a small amount of blood behind.