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Meanwhile in reality…

Woke up, saw this and... yup still Guilty!

End of next week, we'll see what's what

The SCOTUS immunity decision, no matter how bad it is, is not going to disappear a conviction of a former president for crimes committed in part before he was president.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

He’s running for president. I don’t think he’s a flight risk, especially when he isn’t looking at a long sentence, if any.

Even if he weren't, he has lifetime Secret Service protection. It's hard to flee from those guys. Now...if Trump opts out of his detail like Nixon did, then I might consider him a flight risk.

Some of “those guys” are very much politically aligned with the Christian nationalist and far right. Pence didn’t get in the car to leave because he had personal apprehensions about their allegiance to the alleged aims of protecting key government employees. I think there are a number of USSS who would happily assist Trump in fleeing if he so chose to, and I think this summer after his sentencing is probably the time that Trump is most likely to flee. Not that I think he’s necessarily going to do that, but for this I can’t say it wouldn’t happen.

I still think Biden should have done some housecleaning in USSS when he took office. We STILL don't have the full picture of what was going on with them on J6, they destroyed records, wiped phones and everything else. Not to mention a number of other questionable and suspicious goings-on with USSS over the last few years.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

He’s running for president. I don’t think he’s a flight risk, especially when he isn’t looking at a long sentence, if any.

Even if he weren't, he has lifetime Secret Service protection. It's hard to flee from those guys. Now...if Trump opts out of his detail like Nixon did, then I might consider him a flight risk.

Some of “those guys” are very much politically aligned with the Christian nationalist and far right. Pence didn’t get in the car to leave because he had personal apprehensions about their allegiance to the alleged aims of protecting key government employees. I think there are a number of USSS who would happily assist Trump in fleeing if he so chose to, and I think this summer after his sentencing is probably the time that Trump is most likely to flee. Not that I think he’s necessarily going to do that, but for this I can’t say it wouldn’t happen.

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Meanwhile in reality…

Woke up, saw this and... yup still Guilty!

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Meanwhile in reality…

Omg he’s running for president to become king and not go to jail

He knows once he’s in office the cash will flow right to him

Taxpayers will be paying him to be in crowns and jewels and America will die a horrible death

He will rape the treasury blind

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

He’s running for president. I don’t think he’s a flight risk, especially when he isn’t looking at a long sentence, if any.

He's running for president because he thinks it will get him a pardon, immunity and/or let him go after the people who (rightly) found him guilty.

"I don't think that polling accurately reflects the sentiments of the American people"

Well, except when the polling goes their way - then it's God's Will.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

He’s running for president. I don’t think he’s a flight risk, especially when he isn’t looking at a long sentence, if any.

He's only running for president to get out of all of the litigation against him. He filed to run shortly after all of the 91 cases started popping up against him. His lawyers have been trying valiantly to delay any of the trials until after he believes he will be elected in November 2024. Any case not already in court will be dismissed or delayed until he leaves office in 2029 at which point, some of them, the statute of limitations will have expired. Others, he intends to pardon himself where he can. And still others, he would spend the presidency working to get anyone who isn't on his side removed from office or pressured to leave office.

He's a flight risk because he thinks that he can leave the country and then work behind the scenes to get MAGA politicians to help him get rid of any legal issues he has. He's not a flight risk, as in, never coming back. He's a flight risk to avoid imprisonment and do whatever he wants when he wants to. He has never followed laws and he isn't about to start now.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

He’s running for president. I don’t think he’s a flight risk, especially when he isn’t looking at a long sentence, if any.

Even if he weren't, he has lifetime Secret Service protection. It's hard to flee from those guys. Now...if Trump opts out of his detail like Nixon did, then I might consider him a flight risk.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

He’s running for president. I don’t think he’s a flight risk, especially when he isn’t looking at a long sentence, if any.

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that's... not true, though

Shhhhh, you’ll pop their bubble.

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Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

And he's struggling to meet other obligations such as paying the settlements and fines from his other cases.

Anonymous wrote:Why would he be confined before his appeals? That doesn’t make sense. He is a rich, white man convicted of a white collar crime.

He's also a flight risk. He was convicted in NY. Typically, if you are released, you are not allowed to leave the state where you were convicted. In this case, everyone knows that his intent is to travel to Milwaukee for the RNC convention 4 days after the sentencing hearing. Even if he were to ask to travel to the RNC, with his own private jet, he has the ability to travel wherever and whenever he wants anywhere in the world, including outside of the US. And he is known to lie about his intentions and he has lied multiple times to Judge Merchan. So much so that Judge Merchan had already said that any future transgressions, he would incarcerate Trump. So, why would Merchan trust anything that Donald Trump has to say about his intentions?

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Anonymous wrote:Excellent points and good questions by Massie.

I have no doubt that had Trump filed these payments as election expenses instead, he would have been prosecuted for that and told it should have been listed as a business expense or attorney fees.

To potentially be answered in an appeal in some future year down the road. Maybe move on in the meantime. It’s going to be a long wait.

And you just conceded the point - which was to convict him at any cost - regardless of whether reversible error occurred . . . or any violations of that pesky Constitution.

The problem is that it just isn't working out the way it was planned.

DP. You are delusional. Unclear why you believe Trump is above the law. Unclear why you don’t believe in the jury system. Unclear how you reconcile the reality of Trump losing hundreds of cases to date with this tale of “rigged”.

Trump is not likely to win on appeal but as an American he does have the right to appeal.

He also had the right to plea bargain which probably would not have led to a felony conviction. But Trump chose not to. He could have stipulated that he had extramarital relations with Ms Daniels and spared all Americans the shame of that testimony. But Trump chose not to. He could also have not called payments legal expenses and defrauded the NYS, and by extension the American, electorate. But Trump chose not to.

He’s a grownup and needs to take responsibility for his choices.

Where did say any of this? Nice strawmen you've built there.

Will you apologize if the conviction is reversed on appeal and say that justice was done? Or will you pull a Harry Reid....

Harry Reid, D-Nev. has no regrets about his 2012 claims that then presidential candidate Mitt Romney paid no taxes for 10 years. The outgoing Senate Minority Leader even bragged to CNN that the comments, which had been described as McCarthyism, helped keep Romney from winning the election. “They can call it whatever they want. Romney didn’t win did he?” Reid said

Romney was never going to beat incumbent Obama.
Romney could have produced his taxes like every other candidate had in the post-Watergate era.