Anonymous wrote:What part of “human remains” don’t you understand? Bones are human remains. Fish don’t eat those. Maybe they found their skulls or pelvic bones. The might have been incinerated but not necessarily pulverized, once the water gushed in.

Many people believed there was nothing left of these poor people. Now we know that to not be true, so things didn’t necessarily happen as we initially believed.

You are not as smart as you think you are.

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Anonymous wrote:They are in shock and grieving. And it’s not like they have a say in the scope and cost of the search at this point, which might be tied to a criminal investigation.

How many smuggler boats sink off of Florida every year? How many of them does the coast guard recover? This is 100% because the passengers were rich

Smugglers don't issue distress signals.

However, the Coast Guard does search diligently for normal persons who are lost in US waters. Just this past week, there was a recreational scuba diver who failed to return to the dive boat. This was Deerfield Beach. It was quickly reported and the Coast Guard sent boats, planes and helicopters to search and they did so for days. The diver has yet to be found, but the CG is still out (not quite as much force) searching. The CG does not just respond to rich people. They work their asses off at great risk for normal people too.

Great, how many of those boats are the pulling off of the ocean floor at tax payer expense?

What part of “human remains” don’t you understand? Bones are human remains. Fish don’t eat those. Maybe they found their skulls or pelvic bones. The might have been incinerated but not necessarily pulverized, once the water gushed in.

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Oh, shut up, you pretentious know-it-all.

Everything I read indicated that they would’ve been practically disintegrated—that there was no way they’d find any body parts and that fish would’ve taken care of any remaining tissue.

The fact that they found pretty sizable pieces of the sub and that they found human remains, makes it seem like the implosion may not have happened exactly as we thought.

Take your pompous attitude somewhere else.

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Anonymous wrote:If you are surprised, like I was, at how large the pieces of debris are, you're in good company. This shipwreck guru PhD was also surprised. But it makes sense that once the Titan split apart, the forces from the water pressure would have been equal on either side of the piece, cancelling each other out. He also thinks the victims probably had a few minutes' warning where they knew something was wrong.

The first failure was the carbon composite hull or the seam of the hull to the end caps, so after the first failure, the other pieces must not have experienced the same directional forces, as you say. Another deep sea expert said he heard loud cracks on a trip in the prior iteration of the titan sub, presumably the sounds of delamination, so the occupants could have heard the same.

I wonder if the instrumentation will show if the sub was ascending or descending when the implosion happened? If it was ascending, that points strongly to the crew knowing there was a problem, because at 1h45 min, they wouldn’t have been at titanic depth yet.

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s grotesque that none of these billionaire families have come out to say they’ll be covering the costs of this mission. Selfish until the end.

Agree. I think when people undertake this type of risky endeavor (including climbing Everest) they should have to put several million dollars in an escrow account that is then used for rescue costs if needed and returned to them if not.

I’m actually surprised there are any remains—I figured fish would eat anything edible.

If you are surprised, like I was, at how large the pieces of debris are, you're in good company. This shipwreck guru PhD was also surprised. But it makes sense that once the Titan split apart, the forces from the water pressure would have been equal on either side of the piece, cancelling each other out. He also thinks the victims probably had a few minutes' warning where they knew something was wrong.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m not a mechanical engineer or a materials scientist but it seems like the whole thing should have been made out of one material, titanium. Isn’t that how airplanes are? Having a mixture of materials just seems like too much differential stress at that depth.

Really makes you understand how incredible routine air travel is.

I understand what you’re saying, but even industry-standard submersibles have windows, right? How many materials is too many?

Airplanes are made out of aluminum. So they must be using transparent aluminum for the windows. I saw it on Star Trek.

Anonymous wrote:I’m not a mechanical engineer or a materials scientist but it seems like the whole thing should have been made out of one material, titanium. Isn’t that how airplanes are? Having a mixture of materials just seems like too much differential stress at that depth.

Really makes you understand how incredible routine air travel is.

I understand what you’re saying, but even industry-standard submersibles have windows, right? How many materials is too many?

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Anonymous wrote:They are in shock and grieving. And it’s not like they have a say in the scope and cost of the search at this point, which might be tied to a criminal investigation.

How many smuggler boats sink off of Florida every year? How many of them does the coast guard recover? This is 100% because the passengers were rich

Smugglers don't issue distress signals.

However, the Coast Guard does search diligently for normal persons who are lost in US waters. Just this past week, there was a recreational scuba diver who failed to return to the dive boat. This was Deerfield Beach. It was quickly reported and the Coast Guard sent boats, planes and helicopters to search and they did so for days. The diver has yet to be found, but the CG is still out (not quite as much force) searching. The CG does not just respond to rich people. They work their asses off at great risk for normal people too.

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Anonymous wrote:They are in shock and grieving. And it’s not like they have a say in the scope and cost of the search at this point, which might be tied to a criminal investigation.

Right this is 100% what I am thinking. it is probably due to an investigation into possible crimminal actions. A boat sinking off the coast of FL and the smugglers are dead? What is pulling up the boat going to tell you? Nothing. And the coast guard does rescue people off the coast of florida and they do continue searching for people after a boat sinks. We aren't Greece we don't just ignore migrants in the water.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/us/capsized-boat-florida.html

https://time.com/6189923/haitian-migrants-coast-guard-rescue/

Your post is so off the mark, I don't even know what to say. Other than WTF?

Anonymous wrote:They are in shock and grieving. And it’s not like they have a say in the scope and cost of the search at this point, which might be tied to a criminal investigation.

Right this is 100% what I am thinking. it is probably due to an investigation into possible crimminal actions. A boat sinking off the coast of FL and the smugglers are dead? What is pulling up the boat going to tell you? Nothing. And the coast guard does rescue people off the coast of florida and they do continue searching for people after a boat sinks. We aren't Greece we don't just ignore migrants in the water.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/26/us/capsized-boat-florida.html

https://time.com/6189923/haitian-migrants-coast-guard-rescue/

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Anonymous wrote:These are pretty sizable pieces of the sub, with wires intact. And now “human remains”? Perhaps their death wasn’t as instant and painless as we suspect

That’s definitely what I’m thinking now. 😢😢

No offense, but you simply don’t understand the physics of pressure at depth.

The second there was a hull breach, even the tiniest hull breach, their bodies instantaneously imploded. They died before they knew anything, I promise you. You can find the same information from a dozen scientists explaining this online.

Anonymous wrote:I think it’s grotesque that none of these billionaire families have come out to say they’ll be covering the costs of this mission. Selfish until the end.

I think it’s grotesque that you want the woman who just lost her husband and son to pay for this, when they died through no fault of their own. So.