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Anonymous wrote:I remember reading (maybe in another context) that there are very few veterinarian pathologists who do canine autopsies, so it may be taking a long time to get that done properly. It seems to me that this is a very challenging case for a human pathologist or toxicologist because of the number of things that they are potentially looking for, the time that elapsed since death, and the likely degradation of the bodies. So that may be slowing down the whole thing as perhaps they needed to call in specialists or send it to a more sophisticated lab for processing.

I think the tainted food folks are waaaay off. There's no way tainted food kills you that quickly. Even botulism....which is about as deadly as it gets with food issues....takes many hours to set in. So maybe they all ate something contaminated with botulism the night before and it hit them all simultaneously on the hike? Seems pretty unlikely. At most, a food born pathogen would likely only accelerate the heat stroke problem -- e.g., if it slowed them down or if they were vomiting, they could become more dehydrated more quickly than they had planned for in a hike. But it would make no sense not to split up and send the more healthly one for an ambulence if that was the case. People don't react on the same timeline or with the same severity to food poisoning.

This isn't true at all. Any university with a vet school can do a necropsy. I used to prosecute animal cruelty cases and I've personally requested at least a dozen of them. That strikes me as an implausible reason for substantial delay.

They're also required for insurance purposes for insured racehorses. Also, some insured show dogs.

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Anonymous wrote:Lightning can cause a dendritic pattern but it seems like they would have noticed that. They could have eaten mayo or sushi that went bad in the heat. I also wonder if it was inadvertent FA. The dad could have chosen a tough hike to be macho, and she had a brain injury so might not have had the best judgement and went along with it. And then karma got him back for picking too hard of a hike for August. Another theory-a subterranean metallic ore deposit conducted lightning to strike in that area, might also be why it's called Devil's Gulch.

I know they’re from SF but nobody brings sushi on a long hike in the morning lol

I’m sorry, what did I just read. 3 people and a dog dropped dead from heated mayo? *Inadvertent* murder/suicide? Wtf

Anonymous wrote:Lightning can cause a dendritic pattern but it seems like they would have noticed that. They could have eaten mayo or sushi that went bad in the heat. I also wonder if it was inadvertent FA. The dad could have chosen a tough hike to be macho, and she had a brain injury so might not have had the best judgement and went along with it. And then karma got him back for picking too hard of a hike for August. Another theory-a subterranean metallic ore deposit conducted lightning to strike in that area, might also be why it's called Devil's Gulch.

I know they’re from SF but nobody brings sushi on a long hike in the morning lol

Anonymous wrote:I remember reading (maybe in another context) that there are very few veterinarian pathologists who do canine autopsies, so it may be taking a long time to get that done properly. It seems to me that this is a very challenging case for a human pathologist or toxicologist because of the number of things that they are potentially looking for, the time that elapsed since death, and the likely degradation of the bodies. So that may be slowing down the whole thing as perhaps they needed to call in specialists or send it to a more sophisticated lab for processing.

I think the tainted food folks are waaaay off. There's no way tainted food kills you that quickly. Even botulism....which is about as deadly as it gets with food issues....takes many hours to set in. So maybe they all ate something contaminated with botulism the night before and it hit them all simultaneously on the hike? Seems pretty unlikely. At most, a food born pathogen would likely only accelerate the heat stroke problem -- e.g., if it slowed them down or if they were vomiting, they could become more dehydrated more quickly than they had planned for in a hike. But it would make no sense not to split up and send the more healthly one for an ambulence if that was the case. People don't react on the same timeline or with the same severity to food poisoning.

This isn't true at all. Any university with a vet school can do a necropsy. I used to prosecute animal cruelty cases and I've personally requested at least a dozen of them. That strikes me as an implausible reason for substantial delay.

Anonymous wrote:Holy crap when are they going to figure out what happened to these people already

Seriously, it’s been almost a month that they’ve been dead. They have the FBI, California state police, toxicology labs all over the country, and UC Davis veterinary school looking into this case. It’s so strange that no new information is being given.

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Anonymous wrote:I read about the mines and minerals in the area. There is gold and abundant sulfides. According to Wikipedia, "Many metal sulfides are so insoluble in water that they are probably not very toxic. Some metal sulfides, when exposed to a strong mineral acid, including gastric acids, will release toxic hydrogen sulfide."

They could have died from hydrogen sulfide. Interestingly, if they had pennies in their pockets, it would have discolored them. It is as toxic as carbon monoxide, deadens the sense of smell, is produced by swamps, and is denser than air.

From Wikipedia "Short-term, high-level exposure can induce immediate collapse, with loss of breathing and a high probability of death. ..... Although respiratory paralysis may be immediate, it can also be delayed up to 72 hours.[50]"

Many incidents of deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide

I think this could be the cause.

The police would’ve have slept there overnight if this was happening. It would’ve risked their lives as well. Because they slept with the bodies, I believe they have a general idea that it’s not environmental enough to spontaneously kill others nearby but are dealing with a potentially undetectable substance. Hence the delays in autopsy also.

Anonymous wrote:I read about the mines and minerals in the area. There is gold and abundant sulfides. According to Wikipedia, "Many metal sulfides are so insoluble in water that they are probably not very toxic. Some metal sulfides, when exposed to a strong mineral acid, including gastric acids, will release toxic hydrogen sulfide."

They could have died from hydrogen sulfide. Interestingly, if they had pennies in their pockets, it would have discolored them. It is as toxic as carbon monoxide, deadens the sense of smell, is produced by swamps, and is denser than air.

From Wikipedia "Short-term, high-level exposure can induce immediate collapse, with loss of breathing and a high probability of death. ..... Although respiratory paralysis may be immediate, it can also be delayed up to 72 hours.[50]"

Many incidents of deaths.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hydrogen_sulfide

I think this could be the cause.

I read about the mines and minerals in the area. There is gold and abundant sulfides. According to Wikipedia, "Many metal sulfides are so insoluble in water that they are probably not very toxic. Some metal sulfides, when exposed to a strong mineral acid, including gastric acids, will release toxic hydrogen sulfide."

This story recently published doesn’t say anything about heat stroke and suggests it was lightening strike that killed them. I don’t understand why heat stroke wasn’t mentioned in this article as a possible that was ruled out.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9970899/Snapchat-engineer-wife-baby-dog-dead-California-struck-lightning.html

I remember reading (maybe in another context) that there are very few veterinarian pathologists who do canine autopsies, so it may be taking a long time to get that done properly. It seems to me that this is a very challenging case for a human pathologist or toxicologist because of the number of things that they are potentially looking for, the time that elapsed since death, and the likely degradation of the bodies. So that may be slowing down the whole thing as perhaps they needed to call in specialists or send it to a more sophisticated lab for processing.

I think the tainted food folks are waaaay off. There's no way tainted food kills you that quickly. Even botulism....which is about as deadly as it gets with food issues....takes many hours to set in. So maybe they all ate something contaminated with botulism the night before and it hit them all simultaneously on the hike? Seems pretty unlikely. At most, a food born pathogen would likely only accelerate the heat stroke problem -- e.g., if it slowed them down or if they were vomiting, they could become more dehydrated more quickly than they had planned for in a hike. But it would make no sense not to split up and send the more healthly one for an ambulence if that was the case. People don't react on the same timeline or with the same severity to food poisoning.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap when are they going to figure out what happened to these people already

More snd more looks like FA to me.

DP. I'm dense. What does FA mean?

Family annihilator. Murder/suicide.

Oh, gosh. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy crap when are they going to figure out what happened to these people already

More snd more looks like FA to me.

DP. I'm dense. What does FA mean?

Family annihilator. Murder/suicide.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Holy crap when are they going to figure out what happened to these people already

More snd more looks like FA to me.

DP. I'm dense. What does FA mean?

Anonymous wrote:I think they all ate or drank something that was tainted and killed them. That’s the most likely answer. And on a long hot hike, they likely all drank tainted water, or maybe shared a tainted snack of some sort. Secondly, I think maybe heat stroke could have taken them out as well. One of those two scenarios.

+1 I don't believe FA for a single second.

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Anonymous wrote:Holy crap when are they going to figure out what happened to these people already

More snd more looks like FA to me.

Does anyone else wonder if the long delay and lack of info from law enforcement signals this? Or am I reaching?

I know previous reports said they searched their car and home and found nothing significant and had gotten a court order for social media access. I can’t remember hearing anything about the results of that access though or if anything significant was found.

I wonder if it was FA but where they were extremely careful to make sure it didn’t look like FA to spare their families the pain.