The fact that you felt you had to recruit your neighbors says a lot.

Anonymous wrote: Many VLC’s parents feel incredibly burned by the program. We sent our kids there and we encouraged our friends to send their kids there. Only to find a dumpster fire of a program. Nowadays, It’s uncomfortable to meet some of our old friends who’s kids we recruited to VLC. I personally have apologized to several families that I recruited for VLC. They’ve all been very gracious, but there is an undercurrent of resentment.

Ok. Now pull up your skirt, get over it, and move on with your life.

They probably resent you because you sound like an incredibly annoying person, not because of a club lacrosse team you recommended for their kid.

Every team, within every club, every year is different. Your experience as a 28 last year will not be the same as someone who is a 31 this year.

Not every family will have the same experience you had. Maybe their kid is a better or worse player, maybe their coach will be a better or worse coach than the coach you had.

This stuff is all so coach dependent it’s crazy to say there is one “VLC culture”. The clubs themselves rent field space and enter tournaments. After that it’s all on the coach to set the tone and shape the experience. If you think VLC is setting up practice plans or roster depth charts for their coaches, or basically has anything to do with the day to day workings of a specific team you are off your rocker.


- signed
Someone who has been involved as a player, coach, and parent for multiple clubs in NoVa over the last 20 years.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

(d) This is a discussion thread about VLC, and therefore all comments about VLC, including negative ones from people with experience in the program, are completely on-topic and legitimate.

Why do you feel the need to attack the motives of "anti-VLC people"? What is your secret agenda? Are you DiCo or Cramp trying to gaslight everyone into believing nothing had ever been wrong with VLC and only people "with an axe to grind" complain about it?

Both the pro-VLC and anti-VLC crowd have become tiring. There isn't any new information being provided. While on topic, both are pissing into the wind at each other yelling the same arguments over and over.

I agree with this. I would only be interested in what VLC will do to makes things better.

They went from elite team to money grab to dying club. They're not going to un-crap the bed.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Many VLC’s parents feel incredibly burned by the program. We sent our kids there and we encouraged our friends to send their kids there. Only to find a dumpster fire of a program. Nowadays, It’s uncomfortable to meet some of our old friends who’s kids we recruited to VLC. I personally have apologized to several families that I recruited for VLC. They’ve all been very gracious, but there is an undercurrent of resentment.

You are unbelievable. This post represents greater issues ahead for your lacrosse journey. Where is your son playing now? I am sure we will soon here about how much of a dumpster fire that club is. LOL

BTW the neighbors are laughing at you behind your back.

They absolutely are. I lost a lot of credibility recommending VLC to other families. BTW for the families who didn’t quit travel across after their VLC experience are very happy with their new teams.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

(d) This is a discussion thread about VLC, and therefore all comments about VLC, including negative ones from people with experience in the program, are completely on-topic and legitimate.

Why do you feel the need to attack the motives of "anti-VLC people"? What is your secret agenda? Are you DiCo or Cramp trying to gaslight everyone into believing nothing had ever been wrong with VLC and only people "with an axe to grind" complain about it?

Both the pro-VLC and anti-VLC crowd have become tiring. There isn't any new information being provided. While on topic, both are pissing into the wind at each other yelling the same arguments over and over.

I agree with this. I would only be interested in what VLC will do to makes things better.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

(d) This is a discussion thread about VLC, and therefore all comments about VLC, including negative ones from people with experience in the program, are completely on-topic and legitimate.

Why do you feel the need to attack the motives of "anti-VLC people"? What is your secret agenda? Are you DiCo or Cramp trying to gaslight everyone into believing nothing had ever been wrong with VLC and only people "with an axe to grind" complain about it?

Both the pro-VLC and anti-VLC crowd have become tiring. There isn't any new information being provided. While on topic, both are pissing into the wind at each other yelling the same arguments over and over.

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

(d) This is a discussion thread about VLC, and therefore all comments about VLC, including negative ones from people with experience in the program, are completely on-topic and legitimate.

Why do you feel the need to attack the motives of "anti-VLC people"? What is your secret agenda? Are you DiCo or Cramp trying to gaslight everyone into believing nothing had ever been wrong with VLC and only people "with an axe to grind" complain about it?

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote: Many VLC’s parents feel incredibly burned by the program. We sent our kids there and we encouraged our friends to send their kids there. Only to find a dumpster fire of a program. Nowadays, It’s uncomfortable to meet some of our old friends who’s kids we recruited to VLC. I personally have apologized to several families that I recruited for VLC. They’ve all been very gracious, but there is an undercurrent of resentment.

You are unbelievable. This post represents greater issues ahead for your lacrosse journey. Where is your son playing now? I am sure we will soon here about how much of a dumpster fire that club is. LOL

BTW the neighbors are laughing at you behind your back.

Anonymous wrote: Many VLC’s parents feel incredibly burned by the program. We sent our kids there and we encouraged our friends to send their kids there. Only to find a dumpster fire of a program. Nowadays, It’s uncomfortable to meet some of our old friends who’s kids we recruited to VLC. I personally have apologized to several families that I recruited for VLC. They’ve all been very gracious, but there is an undercurrent of resentment.

You are unbelievable. This post represents greater issues ahead for your lacrosse journey. Where is your son playing now? I am sure we will soon here about how much of a dumpster fire that club is. LOL

Many VLC’s parents feel incredibly burned by the program. We sent our kids there and we encouraged our friends to send their kids there. Only to find a dumpster fire of a program. Nowadays, It’s uncomfortable to meet some of our old friends who’s kids we recruited to VLC. I personally have apologized to several families that I recruited for VLC. They’ve all been very gracious, but there is an undercurrent of resentment.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

You need to look back at prior post, similar question was asked. The response was that a parent felt they spent a lot of money and his expectations were not met.

Bingo. More than one parent. Probably many

Naw mostly one parent and def not Dico or Z posting here. Unlike True this is not a full time gig for VLC.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

You need to look back at prior post, similar question was asked. The response was that a parent felt they spent a lot of money and his expectations were not met.

Bingo. More than one parent. Probably many

Anonymous wrote:I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

You need to look back at prior post, similar question was asked. The response was that a parent felt they spent a lot of money and his expectations were not met.

I get why people who are defending VLC do so. parents want to feel good about the program their son is in. if someone like James C, Dico, or Coach Z is posting, then of course I know whey they would say what they do.

but can one of the anti-VLC people explain why it is important to you to argue ad nauseum why the program is not so good?

(a) your son warms the bench on a "better" program like MadLax or Next Level and you want to feel good about that choice?
(b) your son got cut from VLC or had a bad experience and you want validation that it was their fault, not his?
(c) you have no dog in the hunt, but feel it is your civic duty to point out weaknesses in programs when you see them?

or some other reason I am missing?

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:That is just so very misinformed especially at the level of the 2024s. When you go to tournaments like NLF and play teams like Prime Time and Eclipse your sophomore and junior summers the sidelines are packet with college coaches who don't care who wins or loses. Losing against high level teams at high level tournaments is MUCH more valuable than playing in a lower bracket and winning. Good clubs understand this and can get into these tournaments. That is where recruiting really cranks up. Yes coaches are at showcases and at their own money grab camps but seeing a player against great competition playing as a team player with his actual team is most telling about overall talent.

Sure thing, bro. Except VLC loves to tout the greatness of their "player development". Obviously they haven't managed to develop these players so that they are competitive against high-level teams.

I'm sure if you are an attack player who wants to get recruited, you love being at a tournament where you never get the ball because it's always on the other side of the field, and when you do get the ball you are trying to penetrate a rested defense. That's really going to show the recruiters what you can do! You'll definitely want to send an email after the tournament to the college coaches - "did you see me score one of the three points against Annapolis Hawks during our 10-3 defeat?" lmao.

Another point is, OK, VLC got into the high level tournament. But they lacked the good judgement to put the team in the proper bracket so they don't get thrashed. They would be just as visible in a more competitive bracket.

You obviously know nothing about the sport, the recruiting process and probably never played college sports. If your team got beat by the Hawks that would never be something the coach would see or care about. However, if you score against the Hawks that shows up on your highlight reel, So yes, did you see me score against the Hawks would be something a player would definitely send to a coach.

Sure bro, keep coping.

You think the Hawks are telling their players "doesn't matter if we win, it's all about being in the right tournament"?

You think Hawks players have better or worse highlight footage than VLC?

Why don't you take your theory "It DoEsN'T mAtTeR iF yOu'rE oN vLc Or HaWkS sO lOnG aS yOu'rE aT tHe ElItE tOuRnAmEnT" to the Hawks forum at Back of the Cage and report back with what they say.