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Anonymous wrote:There’s absolutely no way they did not see this plane. Goggles or not. Look at this angle. The light from the plane is illuminating strongly enough to be captured in this manner.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/security-footage-shows-new-angles-of-d-c-crash-230772805611

That is the clearest video I have seen so far. And you are right, no way in h*** they didn't see that plane. Adds to my belief that this was intentional.

Wow super clear footage. It says it was from a security camera; I wonder which building.

You have no idea the perspective of the helicopter from that video. The plane banked to land on a different runway. When you're driving down a street with no divider you are assuming the cars coming at you are going to stay in their lane. When instead they decide to turn into a business on your side of the street, you can be taken aback.

You write this as if the CRJ suddenly made a sharp turn or something; it did not. It was instructed to go to runway 33 well in advance of any of the odd helicopter maneuvers. It’s not like turning a car into the opposite direction of traffic.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

So you’re assuming it was just her error, and hers alone. Go away, you miserable excuse for a human being.

DP. We don’t know whose “fault” is was, but when the military helicopter you are flying is flown directly into a commercial jet, killing 64 people, you aren’t owed privacy, especially when the other two in the helicopter have been named

+1 Exactly! And it suggests that they know it was her fault.

The families of the two of the pilots shared their names. One family has not. Please explain how the family’s choice to share or not share a name means someone is or is not at fault?

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

So you’re assuming it was just her error, and hers alone. Go away, you miserable excuse for a human being.

DP. We don’t know whose “fault” is was, but when the military helicopter you are flying is flown directly into a commercial jet, killing 64 people, you aren’t owed privacy, especially when the other two in the helicopter have been named

This is nothing new. There’s always privacy for a time period.

Will you be this angry in demanding the name of the VIP they took to or from the cia? Why not focus your anger on that? Or is Fox. Was telling you that doesn’t matter and the pilot name does matter?

You’re just being controlled and your emotions played with if you’re letting the TV get you this upset.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

We do not know it was her mistake alone - there were 3 people who were not paying attention to their surroundings, according to control tower communications. Let the investigation go through. Your assumptions and anger are a cover for something else.

That she supports the felon despite her protests. People want her name so they can tar and feather her reputation and tell her family what trash she is. Just wait.

By not releasing her name they are making it worse because people are already angry that this shouldn't have happened and now it looks like a cover up.

No, they are not. You’re just obsessed with the one piece of info and others are not.

Touch grass.

You can't prevent others from engaging in speculation. Hiding info makes it worse.

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Anonymous wrote:Per CNN right now the BH was flying 100 feet above maximum altitude and was also off course.

ngl, a 100 foot difference in elevation in a fast moving helicopter at night will not be noticed by the pilots. Easy to subtly drift 100 feet higher.

Their eyes are not glued to the gauges, they are looking out the window trying to see airplane and other objects. If they were wearing nightvision goggles, then there's even a bigger chance they are not glued to the instruments since their peripheral vision is compromised by the goggles.

If true, the problems I see are:

(1) the flight plan requires helicopters to stay at or below 200ft specifically to avoid planes landing at or taking off form DCA. If doing that is too hard or unrealistic, then that flight plan should not be used.

(2) if flying fast compromises the ability of helicopter pilots to maintain 200ft or to identify incoming aircraft, they should have to fly more slowly.

(3) if using night vision goggles compromises their ability to identify aircraft or maneuver due to limitations to peripheral vision, they should not be permitted to wear night vision goggles in that corridor unless there are specific conditions that would merit them (such as the potential for enemy aircraft that might be flying without lights, something I sincerely hope is never an issue in the airspace around DCA).

People need to understand that airplanes have exterior lights. The helicopter can see these. It was not an issue of fog or poor weather.

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Anonymous wrote:The female pilot is believed to have been commanding the helicopter, her name is being intentionally withheld

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

Per family request.

They are no doubt worried about death threats and other violence.

I'm a female pilot. Given the tone from our government leaders and the witch hunts taking place online ... if I were involved in an accident, knowing I'd likely be the only female crew member from either airplane, I would want my family protected from the media as long as possible. I don't blame them for trying to shield her memory and reputation until more is known about the actual events of the crash.

That’s a superficial response.

You withhold information when yours covering something up or hiding something. They can go hang out at a mountain house and let the name come out.

The pilot Bo doubt has a stellar education, background, top of their class, best training and track record of success. Otherwise how would you continually get to the point where you’re flying a $6m helicopter.

It’s a rationed response. Unfortunately the president doesn’t see that she was as qualified or more so than the men, which is unfortunately why we’re here.

Then shut it down and show her 20 year track record. Put some peer side by sides there too.

Probably isn’t a 20 yr track record. Hegseth initially said the crew of
Helicopter was a young captain, Warren office, and staff Sargent. The staff Sargent and chief warrant officer have been named. That leaves a female “young captain” with 500 flying hrs. Given rank and flying hours, that is probably 2-3 yrs out of flight school

So what. Show her track record of success in high school, college, work, military, etc. We already see some of it for the other two crew members.

You don’t get in a trainer jet program and then heavy helo by being bottom 75% of your class in any country’s flight program.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

So you’re assuming it was just her error, and hers alone. Go away, you miserable excuse for a human being.

DP. We don’t know whose “fault” is was, but when the military helicopter you are flying is flown directly into a commercial jet, killing 64 people, you aren’t owed privacy, especially when the other two in the helicopter have been named

+1 Exactly! And it suggests that they know it was her fault.

Just trying to contemplate the type of thinking that goes in to typing this sentence, and I’m coming up empty. It is complete nonsense.

It's not nonsense. I would not want all the speculation that occurs whrn people try to keep the facts hidden.

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

We do not know it was her mistake alone - there were 3 people who were not paying attention to their surroundings, according to control tower communications. Let the investigation go through. Your assumptions and anger are a cover for something else.

That she supports the felon despite her protests. People want her name so they can tar and feather her reputation and tell her family what trash she is. Just wait.

By not releasing her name they are making it worse because people are already angry that this shouldn't have happened and now it looks like a cover up.

No, they are not. You’re just obsessed with the one piece of info and others are not.

Touch grass.

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Anonymous wrote:The female pilot is believed to have been commanding the helicopter, her name is being intentionally withheld

https://www.npr.org/2025/01/30/nx-s1-5281246/pentagon-jet-military-helicopter-collision

Per family request.

They are no doubt worried about death threats and other violence.

I'm a female pilot. Given the tone from our government leaders and the witch hunts taking place online ... if I were involved in an accident, knowing I'd likely be the only female crew member from either airplane, I would want my family protected from the media as long as possible. I don't blame them for trying to shield her memory and reputation until more is known about the actual events of the crash.

That’s a superficial response.

You withhold information when yours covering something up or hiding something. They can go hang out at a mountain house and let the name come out.

The pilot Bo doubt has a stellar education, background, top of their class, best training and track record of success. Otherwise how would you continually get to the point where you’re flying a $6m helicopter.

It’s a rationed response. Unfortunately the president doesn’t see that she was as qualified or more so than the men, which is unfortunately why we’re here.

Then shut it down and show her 20 year track record. Put some peer side by sides there too.

Maybe her family just doesn't want to deal with this kind of witch hunt while they are grieving. Her record will be known to the military and the NTSB, which is enough.

Families of the male pilots chose to make their names public. That's their choice, and understandable since people don't immediately start screaming demands to see a "20 year track record" when they hear a male name - there's a unstated assumption that he's qualified, nobody questions it. People don't give the female pilot that benefit of doubt.

Stop conflating things.

Deliberately hiding information when 70 died in a horrific accident is a bad look. Period.

+1

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Anonymous wrote:That POS president has taken away her family, her friends, the public's right to mourn her. Shame on him! He needs to go back to h#ll where he came from.

I'm no trump supporter but he hasn't done that. Her family chose to hide this information from the public who have a right to know. More importantly, the families of those killed because of her error (if it was actually unintentional), deserve to know who caused them to lose their family member. Her mistake cost lives and saying it would affect her family doesn't cut it.

So you’re assuming it was just her error, and hers alone. Go away, you miserable excuse for a human being.

DP. We don’t know whose “fault” is was, but when the military helicopter you are flying is flown directly into a commercial jet, killing 64 people, you aren’t owed privacy, especially when the other two in the helicopter have been named

+1 Exactly! And it suggests that they know it was her fault.

Just trying to contemplate the type of thinking that goes in to typing this sentence, and I’m coming up empty. It is complete nonsense.

Anonymous wrote:I'd also love to know the name of any VIP who was flown over initially, requiring the return helicopter flight.

If this is ever released, I’ll be shocked.

My prediction: We will never find out who the vip was.

Anonymous wrote:Per CNN right now the BH was flying 100 feet above maximum altitude and was also off course.

ngl, a 100 foot difference in elevation in a fast moving helicopter at night will not be noticed by the pilots. Easy to subtly drift 100 feet higher.

Their eyes are not glued to the gauges, they are looking out the window trying to see airplane and other objects. If they were wearing nightvision goggles, then there's even a bigger chance they are not glued to the instruments since their peripheral vision is compromised by the goggles.

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Anonymous wrote:There’s absolutely no way they did not see this plane. Goggles or not. Look at this angle. The light from the plane is illuminating strongly enough to be captured in this manner.

https://www.nbcnews.com/video/security-footage-shows-new-angles-of-d-c-crash-230772805611

That is the clearest video I have seen so far. And you are right, no way in h*** they didn't see that plane. Adds to my belief that this was intentional.

Wow super clear footage. It says it was from a security camera; I wonder which building.

You have no idea the perspective of the helicopter from that video. The plane banked to land on a different runway. When you're driving down a street with no divider you are assuming the cars coming at you are going to stay in their lane. When instead they decide to turn into a business on your side of the street, you can be taken aback.

This comment doesn't make sense, even if it's appropriate to compare air space to a road (it's not). The plane had lined up for runway 33 way back before ATC even asked the helicopter if they saw the plane. And regardless of which runway they were landing at, the helicopter should have anticipated the plane would veer across the river towards the airport -- that path *is* the street in this situation. Planes rarely continue straight up the river past the airport unless something goes wrong with their landing.

Yes I understand it's possible/likely the helicopter thought ATC was talking about another plane further down the river. That explains why they didn't see the RJ that was closer to them. It does not explain why they chose to change direction SW and ascend to a higher altitude.

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Anonymous wrote:Wonder what happened to those passengers who were next to land behind the CRJ, I guess they quickly had to reroute, or did they just land as planned? Must have been terrifying for them also.

All the planes behind were diverted. If you track AA3130, they went to BWI. Others went to Dulles, and others turned back to their origination airport.

The people on board AA3130 would have witnessed this tragedy. I can only imagine what went through their minds.

I don’t think they could see it. Passengers reported not knowing why they were being rerouted until texting with relatives or reaching their destination.

If I saw it, I’d keep it to myself so as not to start a panic on board. I would not want to be with 60-250 panicking people in such a small space.