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Anonymous wrote:TRANSPORTATION SECRETARY DUFFY WARNS USDOT MAY NEED TO CLOSE SOME AIRSPACE IF GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN CONTINUES


- reuters

Time for Americans to actually experience a federal government shutdown. The Republicans are in charge and they need to govern which means working within the confines of reality.

Duffy should stop tweeting and see if he can locate Mike Johnson.

Americans have experienced it, and collectively just don’t seem to care. This is the risk in the D strategy, and is why Mike Johnson is happy to be MIA.

Not sure how you think the government is actually shutdown when thousands of Feds are still working. They’re not getting paid, but they are working.

Seems the D strategy is working though. Thune is now bleating on about not getting rid of the filibuster because it would hurt his credibility. As if the GOP has any credibility at this point. In any event, it’s clear that the GOP was planning on pinning the OBBB disaster on the Dems. Instead the GOP is going to have to own it.

Sorry, but as a lifelong Democrat, I completely disagree with what the party is doing and the characterization that it is "working." I want the subsidies extended. I'd like to have Medicare for all. But it is wrong to use a shutdown as political leverage. It was wrong when Ted Cruz did it to try to dismantle the ACA. It was wrong when Trump did it to get his border wall funded. And it is wrong to do it to get healthcare subsidies. Using federal employees, federal contractors, people who depend on federal benefits, the military, veterans, etc. as leverage to get something totally unrelated to a continuing resolution to fund the government is wrong. Forcing a shutdown because a 74 year old who should retire is afraid of being primaried is wrong. As one of the aforementioned groups, I'm sick and tired of being treated as a pawn. And the people you are dealing with (Trump) are lunatics and are not going to negotiate or agree to extending the subsidies. They relish in the government being shutdown. Congress should pass legislation that automatically funds a continuing resolution when Congress fails to pass a timely budget to end this madness once and for all.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Americans have not really experienced it because so many are classified as "essential" - close down the ports, the airports, all of the border crossing points, the USPS; meat processing inspectors and so on. and people will experience it.

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Send every single federal worker home until Mikey gets his act together.

The current executive branch is not going to send them home. But, they will be taking names of those that don’t show up.

If people don't show up it's probably because they are interviewing for other jobs.

Most people can't not get paid for a few months and be able to continue to afford to live. Canada and the EU need air traffic controllers too.

This. The GOP has a weak hand. They don’t understand the drive to public service at all. Vought thinks he’s achieving something by traumatizing Feds but they will just get jobs at the state level or in other countries. And the federal government will be left with the dregs. #winning

Sure, the job market is booming right now, especially in DC. Plenty of open positions for Feds in the private sector, with even better retirement and benefits. The more, the merrier.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Democrats vote against the CR again? That decision will prolong the shutdown. It’s an overt act.

the democrats will not supporting affirmation of the BBB which they had no part in crafting.

Spin it any way you want. There will be a vote to open the government. If Democrats vote it down it’s on them.

No one needs to spin anything. Poll after poll shows people blame Republicans for the shutdown.

You are right, but Dems have an often misunderstood (or ignore) what the people are trying to say. Most notably what independents want. The Dems win but believe they have a mandate for everything they’re putting forth and then we get … Trump 1.0. Then to moderate that we get Biden. Then Trump 2.0.

We’ll get Dem XYZ next but they’ll misread the people again.

Ugh.

Just has very “you made me angry so now I’m going to hit you”vibes.

We live in a two party system. If you are lucky, you get to occasionally vote for someone you like. If not you vote for the lesser of two evils. And you certainly don’t vote for someone who says they will be a dictator on day one.

What are you smoking? It can stay 2 party. Just want two different parties.

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I'm convinced people think the two entities currently controlling our two-party system are public entities that can't be left to fail. They are in fact failing dysfunctional PRIVATE entities that should be allowed to fail unless there is some magical way for them to be completely overhauled and reformed.

Sure, and then the next duopoly can just repeat the process after a few years or maybe a generation of good(ish) government.

Its probably past time to re-evaluate how we do democracy and even if democracy is the right answer.

Mighty optimistic of you to think there will be a decade of good governance.

It will simply be a rebrand, except less chips and more air in the bag.

No, because there should always be a plan to eject the major parties when they stop working for the people. Right now, they have no threat and no reason to improve. They need each other and keep each other in power.

I don’t know what that looks like practically but the two existing parties need to go.

For example see the thread on the VA AG. People identify with their party over everything, so candidate quality matters less and less.

That’s because one party represents an existential threat to American democracy. When/if Republicans stop embracing crazy, we can go back to voting for the best person rather than the party.

No, after we stop the first threat we then turn our eyes to the other. Don’t think your slimey politicians can get away with things. You know they are salivating at the idea of using Trump tactics on their opposition. The madness needs to end.

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Anonymous wrote:No, Americans have not really experienced it because so many are classified as "essential" - close down the ports, the airports, all of the border crossing points, the USPS; meat processing inspectors and so on. and people will experience it.

This.
Send every single federal worker home until Mikey gets his act together.

The current executive branch is not going to send them home. But, they will be taking names of those that don’t show up.

If people don't show up it's probably because they are interviewing for other jobs.

Most people can't not get paid for a few months and be able to continue to afford to live. Canada and the EU need air traffic controllers too.

This. The GOP has a weak hand. They don’t understand the drive to public service at all. Vought thinks he’s achieving something by traumatizing Feds but they will just get jobs at the state level or in other countries. And the federal government will be left with the dregs. #winning

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Anonymous wrote:Will Democrats vote against the CR again? That decision will prolong the shutdown. It’s an overt act.

the democrats will not supporting affirmation of the BBB which they had no part in crafting.

Spin it any way you want. There will be a vote to open the government. If Democrats vote it down it’s on them.

No one needs to spin anything. Poll after poll shows people blame Republicans for the shutdown.

You are right, but Dems have an often misunderstood (or ignore) what the people are trying to say. Most notably what independents want. The Dems win but believe they have a mandate for everything they’re putting forth and then we get … Trump 1.0. Then to moderate that we get Biden. Then Trump 2.0.

We’ll get Dem XYZ next but they’ll misread the people again.

Ugh.

Just has very “you made me angry so now I’m going to hit you”vibes.

We live in a two party system. If you are lucky, you get to occasionally vote for someone you like. If not you vote for the lesser of two evils. And you certainly don’t vote for someone who says they will be a dictator on day one.

What are you smoking? It can stay 2 party. Just want two different parties.

+ 1 million

I'm convinced people think the two entities currently controlling our two-party system are public entities that can't be left to fail. They are in fact failing dysfunctional PRIVATE entities that should be allowed to fail unless there is some magical way for them to be completely overhauled and reformed.

Sure, and then the next duopoly can just repeat the process after a few years or maybe a generation of good(ish) government.

Its probably past time to re-evaluate how we do democracy and even if democracy is the right answer.

Mighty optimistic of you to think there will be a decade of good governance.

It will simply be a rebrand, except less chips and more air in the bag.

No, because there should always be a plan to eject the major parties when they stop working for the people. Right now, they have no threat and no reason to improve. They need each other and keep each other in power.

I don’t know what that looks like practically but the two existing parties need to go.

For example see the thread on the VA AG. People identify with their party over everything, so candidate quality matters less and less.

That’s because one party represents an existential threat to American democracy. When/if Republicans stop embracing crazy, we can go back to voting for the best person rather than the party.

No, after we stop the first threat we then turn our eyes to the other. Don’t think your slimey politicians can get away with things. You know they are salivating at the idea of using Trump tactics on their opposition. The madness needs to end.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Democrats vote against the CR again? That decision will prolong the shutdown. It’s an overt act.

the democrats will not supporting affirmation of the BBB which they had no part in crafting.

Spin it any way you want. There will be a vote to open the government. If Democrats vote it down it’s on them.

No one needs to spin anything. Poll after poll shows people blame Republicans for the shutdown.

You are right, but Dems have an often misunderstood (or ignore) what the people are trying to say. Most notably what independents want. The Dems win but believe they have a mandate for everything they’re putting forth and then we get … Trump 1.0. Then to moderate that we get Biden. Then Trump 2.0.

We’ll get Dem XYZ next but they’ll misread the people again.

Ugh.

Just has very “you made me angry so now I’m going to hit you”vibes.

We live in a two party system. If you are lucky, you get to occasionally vote for someone you like. If not you vote for the lesser of two evils. And you certainly don’t vote for someone who says they will be a dictator on day one.

What are you smoking? It can stay 2 party. Just want two different parties.

+ 1 million

I'm convinced people think the two entities currently controlling our two-party system are public entities that can't be left to fail. They are in fact failing dysfunctional PRIVATE entities that should be allowed to fail unless there is some magical way for them to be completely overhauled and reformed.

Sure, and then the next duopoly can just repeat the process after a few years or maybe a generation of good(ish) government.

Its probably past time to re-evaluate how we do democracy and even if democracy is the right answer.

Mighty optimistic of you to think there will be a decade of good governance.

It will simply be a rebrand, except less chips and more air in the bag.

No, because there should always be a plan to eject the major parties when they stop working for the people. Right now, they have no threat and no reason to improve. They need each other and keep each other in power.

I don’t know what that looks like practically but the two existing parties need to go.

For example see the thread on the VA AG. People identify with their party over everything, so candidate quality matters less and less.

That’s because one party represents an existential threat to American democracy. When/if Republicans stop embracing crazy, we can go back to voting for the best person rather than the party.

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Anonymous wrote:Will Democrats vote against the CR again? That decision will prolong the shutdown. It’s an overt act.

the democrats will not supporting affirmation of the BBB which they had no part in crafting.

Spin it any way you want. There will be a vote to open the government. If Democrats vote it down it’s on them.

No one needs to spin anything. Poll after poll shows people blame Republicans for the shutdown.

You are right, but Dems have an often misunderstood (or ignore) what the people are trying to say. Most notably what independents want. The Dems win but believe they have a mandate for everything they’re putting forth and then we get … Trump 1.0. Then to moderate that we get Biden. Then Trump 2.0.

We’ll get Dem XYZ next but they’ll misread the people again.

Ugh.

Just has very “you made me angry so now I’m going to hit you”vibes.

We live in a two party system. If you are lucky, you get to occasionally vote for someone you like. If not you vote for the lesser of two evils. And you certainly don’t vote for someone who says they will be a dictator on day one.

What are you smoking? It can stay 2 party. Just want two different parties.

+ 1 million

I'm convinced people think the two entities currently controlling our two-party system are public entities that can't be left to fail. They are in fact failing dysfunctional PRIVATE entities that should be allowed to fail unless there is some magical way for them to be completely overhauled and reformed.

Sure, and then the next duopoly can just repeat the process after a few years or maybe a generation of good(ish) government.

Its probably past time to re-evaluate how we do democracy and even if democracy is the right answer.

Mighty optimistic of you to think there will be a decade of good governance.

It will simply be a rebrand, except less chips and more air in the bag.

No, because there should always be a plan to eject the major parties when they stop working for the people. Right now, they have no threat and no reason to improve. They need each other and keep each other in power.

I don’t know what that looks like practically but the two existing parties need to go.

For example see the thread on the VA AG. People identify with their party over everything, so candidate quality matters less and less.