Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 17:07     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.

He’s just repeating what was in the jury instructions. I tried to post photos of those but my post wouldn’t go through for some reason. Go read the jury instructions, it’s all in there.


He is not quoting the jury instructions. And read the last line. The last line is the issue that Trump will base his appeal on. And may very well win on it.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 17:06     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.

Source for this?


https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt6-4-4-3/ALDE_00013134/

That doesn’t contradict anything. The verdict itself was unanimous. Please provide some actual citations to case law to support your argument.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 17:06     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.

Source for this?


"In the RICO context, the United States Court of Appeals for the Second Circuit explained:

[T]he jury [in a RICO case] must be unanimous not only that at least two [predicate] acts were proved, but must be unanimous as to each of two predicate acts.

United States v. Gotti, 451 F.3d 133, 137 (2d Cir. 2006) (emphasis added); see also Haynes v. United States, 936 F.3d 683 (7th Cir. 2019) (same) (quoting Gotti, supra); United States v. Carr, 424 F.3d 213, 224 (2d Cir. 2005) (“[T]he jury must find that the prosecution proved each one of those two … specifically alleged predicate acts beyond a reasonable doubt.”).""

Read the rest here - https://www.justsecurity.org/96654/trump-unanimous-verdict/ It is a reasonably objective analysis.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 17:03     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.

Source for this?


https://constitution.congress.gov/browse/essay/amdt6-4-4-3/ALDE_00013134/
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:59     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.


Apparently, you have not followed the case for Five minutes or you would not voluntarily be shouting your ignorance.

Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:58     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.

Source for this?
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:58     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.

They were specified A YEAR AGO.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:55     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.

He’s just repeating what was in the jury instructions. I tried to post photos of those but my post wouldn’t go through for some reason. Go read the jury instructions, it’s all in there.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:53     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.



Mr. Wheeler is a Florida labor and employment attorney who states as a conclusion only that unamimity relating to the predicate act is not required. No citation, no nothing. This flies in the face of courts everywhere. Though if you'd choose to believe the opinion of a non-NY qualified, non-criminal defense attorney, please do so.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:45     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.

Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:38     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Sloppy denotes by accident. No, this was done on purpose.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:37     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.

The other crimes were specified in the jury instructions.


Yes. 3 possibilities were provided to the jury. The problem is that Merchan did not instruct the jury that it must find unanimously which of those crimes (the predicate act) had been committed. Under similar statutes (RICO for example) the jury must agree unanimously on the predicate offense) or the case will be overturned. This has been determined by countless courts at both the state and federal level. The problem here is that no court in NY has ruled on this specific statute. But no matter how you view this it was terribly sloppy of the court and the prosecution to let this waive in the wind.


His team did a VERY bad job of defending anything.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:36     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.

The other crimes were specified in the jury instructions.


Yes. 3 possibilities were provided to the jury. The problem is that Merchan did not instruct the jury that it must find unanimously which of those crimes (the predicate act) had been committed. Under similar statutes (RICO for example) the jury must agree unanimously on the predicate offense) or the case will be overturned. This has been determined by countless courts at both the state and federal level. The problem here is that no court in NY has ruled on this specific statute. But no matter how you view this it was terribly sloppy of the court and the prosecution to let this waive in the wind.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:24     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.

The other crimes were specified in the jury instructions.
Anonymous
Post 06/13/2024 16:22     Subject: Trump found Guilty on all charges!

Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Pg 150. Has anyone named the "federal crime" that was broken?


You will get responses like "read the verdict" or "we have told you but you didn't want to hear it" but the truth is.......
Nobody knows the "underlying crime" because it was not indicated in the verdict and the jury didn't have to specify on the jury sheet.
So, no, we don't know. Blatantly unConstitutional.


Actually if you read the case which you have not it was spelled out 1000% documented he broke NY criminal code 34 times felonies.

This is not hard for a reader above 2nd grade.

Trump was charged with 34 counts of falsification of business records in the first degree, which is a felony in New York.

And yes it was spelled out. Yes it was communicated to a jury. Yes he is a citizen of the US just like you subject to criminal codes in the states he breaks them which in this case was NY.

You are a moron.



Have you even followed the case for 5 minutes? The business records charge isn't a felony unless it was in furtherance of another crime, which has never been specified.