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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

Of course it does. Anyone who thinks their 11yo has it all figured out regarding sex and gender has no clue.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Intersectionality is not the same as being Siamese twins

Intersectionality is an analytical framework for understanding how aspects of a person's social and political identities combine to create different modes of discrimination and privilege.

Literally dozens of academic majors dedicated to understanding how they interconnect in complex ways ... willfully obtuse to pretend they are completely distinct and do not influence each other ....

Literally said they intersect (aka interconnect socially) but your are too willfully obtuse to admit they are not Siamese twins.

Can you please come up with your own insults? And try to be less literally minded? The main point being they cannot be surgically (precisely) divided - they cross over in many complex ways. Even The bible of US University rankings categorizes these programs as “Sex and Gender Studies” for a reason.

No. I prefer to use your own words against you.

Thanks for finally agreeing I’m right.

Kind of like risk and insurance... not the same, but intersecting.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

What?? This doesn’t even make any sense.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Intersectionality is not the same as being Siamese twins

Intersectionality is an analytical framework for understanding how aspects of a person's social and political identities combine to create different modes of discrimination and privilege.

Literally dozens of academic majors dedicated to understanding how they interconnect in complex ways ... willfully obtuse to pretend they are completely distinct and do not influence each other ....

Literally said they intersect (aka interconnect socially) but your are too willfully obtuse to admit they are not Siamese twins.

Can you please come up with your own insults? And try to be less literally minded? The main point being they cannot be surgically (precisely) divided - they cross over in many complex ways. Even The bible of US University rankings categorizes these programs as “Sex and Gender Studies” for a reason.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Intersectionality is not the same as being Siamese twins

Intersectionality is an analytical framework for understanding how aspects of a person's social and political identities combine to create different modes of discrimination and privilege.

Literally dozens of academic majors dedicated to understanding how they interconnect in complex ways ... willfully obtuse to pretend they are completely distinct and do not influence each other ....

Literally said they intersect (aka interconnect socially) but your are too willfully obtuse to admit they are not Siamese twins.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Intersectionality is not the same as being Siamese twins

Intersectionality is an analytical framework for understanding how aspects of a person's social and political identities combine to create different modes of discrimination and privilege.

Literally dozens of academic majors dedicated to understanding how they interconnect in complex ways ... willfully obtuse to pretend they are completely distinct and do not influence each other ....

I think it could be worse for kids who are transitioning to decide when to switch pronouns. Definitely lots of “don’t tell parents, teachers yet” with my DDs friends. But we are forced to specify pronouns in every interaction now so that puts them on the spot.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

Do you even hear yourself? Your 11 yo? You may think you are oh so enlightened and progressive, but I think you are putting way more on her plate than necessary. Navigate middle school, high school, college, relationships, social media, bullies, cliques, self-doubt, self-esteem issues around age 15 or so, friend issues, driving, boy-girl sleep overs, college applications, career paths, marriage, grandchildren, and so on and so forth and get back to me. You people have no idea what adding another issue in their lives will do, especially questioning the core of who they are at a time when legalizing drugs is the current trend. No idea!

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Intersectionality is not the same as being Siamese twins

Intersectionality is an analytical framework for understanding how aspects of a person's social and political identities combine to create different modes of discrimination and privilege.

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Best Sex and Gender Programs

Ranked in 2021, part of Best Social Sciences and Humanities Schools

Common topics under the sociology of sex and gender discipline include women's rights, sexism, reproductive rights, feminism and race issues. These are the top sociology schools for sex and gender programs. L



New York University
New York, NY
#1 in Sex and Gender
University of California--Berkeley
Berkeley, CA
#2 in Sex and Gender
University of California--Santa Barbara
Santa Barbara, CA
#3 in Sex and Gender
Stanford University
Stanford, CA
#4 in Sex and Gender
University of Michigan--Ann Arbor
Ann Arbor, MI
#5 in Sex and Gender
University of California--Los Angeles
Los Angeles, CA
#6 in Sex and Gender (tie)
University of Texas--Austin
Austin, TX
#6 in Sex and Gender (tie)
University of Massachusetts--Amherst
Amherst, MA
#8 in Sex and Gender
University of Chicago
Chicago, IL
#9 in Sex and Gender (tie)
University of Wisconsin--Madison
Madison, WI
#9 in Sex and Gender (tie)

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Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

And top colleges have entire majors devoted to exploring how gender and sexuality intersect ...

What is gender and sexuality studies?
Gender and sexuality studies trains you to examine gender relations and the construction of gender and sexual difference from a globally-informed perspective and to consider how gender and sexuality intersect with the social categories of race, class, ethnicity, disability, and age to produce our complex social ...

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Not in my experience. My Dd is 11 and she knows exactly what each of these things means and which friends identify in which way. Yes, she has also felt like she should label herself briefly, but we discussed that because she does not have any feelings of sexuality towards anyone that she is not ready to call herself anything, and it’s not a great idea to “rush” into a label.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:You are confused because this isn’t gender you’re talking about, it’s sexuality.

You are attempting to separate Siamese Twins (gender and sexuality) using a butcher knife and no analgesia ...

Obviously they are going inextricably interconnected ...

No they aren’t.

+1. They totally aren’t.

Right, they are NOT the same thing and are not "inextricably interconnected". LGBTQI... lumps them together into the same "category" in a way, but the gender spectrum and the sexuality spectrum are completely distinct and if OP doesn't realize that and educate herself in this she's really going to mess up with her kid and society in general.

Oh, please. This is unnecessarily harsh. If you’ve spent any time around 12-13 year old girls lately, you might realize they’re a little confused about the interconnectedness of these concepts, too. We’re all just doing the best we can here.

Anonymous wrote:Here is the thing. No one is insisting you understand them. They don't care anymore if people want to take the time to "get it", they care that you respect their right to live their lives as they wish and not infringe on their rights, safety or personal pursuits of well being, etc.

I don't see how anyone can argue that without being a full on bigot. If you literally can't just respect another's right to their life, and call them by the name they choose to go by, I don't know what to say to you to make you think otherwise

I don't think I've seen a single post here disagreeing with that. The question OP was asking is essentially how do the kids who show no signs of feeling this way suddenly decide to be called something else and wonders if cultural pressure is coming into play.

Here is the thing. No one is insisting you understand them. They don't care anymore if people want to take the time to "get it", they care that you respect their right to live their lives as they wish and not infringe on their rights, safety or personal pursuits of well being, etc.

I don't see how anyone can argue that without being a full on bigot. If you literally can't just respect another's right to their life, and call them by the name they choose to go by, I don't know what to say to you to make you think otherwise