Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you think perfume is just worn by old people, step into a Sephora and notice that entire wall that's dedicated to perfumes. Their demographic isn't exactly senior citizens.
I think people just believe that very few people wear perfume because most of us perfume wearers don't abuse it. I put on a little bit on my pulse points, and you can only smell my perfume if you get within hugging distance. The few people who spray themselves down with so much fragrance that you can smell them from 20 feet away give the rest of us a bad name.
No no no no no no. You are NOT allowed to introduce any logical thoughts here!
Pp is not an example of logical. *All*these perfume wearers say all they do is hit the pulse points. They still stink. They can’t tell because the olfactory system adapts.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you think perfume is just worn by old people, step into a Sephora and notice that entire wall that's dedicated to perfumes. Their demographic isn't exactly senior citizens.
I think people just believe that very few people wear perfume because most of us perfume wearers don't abuse it. I put on a little bit on my pulse points, and you can only smell my perfume if you get within hugging distance. The few people who spray themselves down with so much fragrance that you can smell them from 20 feet away give the rest of us a bad name.
Anonymous wrote:
God you people are so insulting. I’ve had asthma and allergies my whole life, diagnosed through allergy testing. I wish I could just “think” them away!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Hypochondria is a mental illness.
PP, and I was not suggesting that it is a mental illness. However, our experience of any physical reaction has a mental component. Anxiety and panic can cause similar reactions as fragrance and chemical sensitivities, which is why it is worth exploring whether shifting thoughts can improve physical symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457695/#:~:text=Cognitive%20behavioural%20therapy%20(CBT)%20may,exacerbations%20and%20better%20asthma%20control.
God you people are so insulting. I’ve had asthma and allergies my whole life, diagnosed through allergy testing. I wish I could just “think” them away!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you think perfume is just worn by old people, step into a Sephora and notice that entire wall that's dedicated to perfumes. Their demographic isn't exactly senior citizens.
I think people just believe that very few people wear perfume because most of us perfume wearers don't abuse it. I put on a little bit on my pulse points, and you can only smell my perfume if you get within hugging distance. The few people who spray themselves down with so much fragrance that you can smell them from 20 feet away give the rest of us a bad name.
No no no no no no. You are NOT allowed to introduce any logical thoughts here!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Hypochondria is a mental illness.
PP, and I was not suggesting that it is a mental illness. However, our experience of any physical reaction has a mental component. Anxiety and panic can cause similar reactions as fragrance and chemical sensitivities, which is why it is worth exploring whether shifting thoughts can improve physical symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457695/#:~:text=Cognitive%20behavioural%20therapy%20(CBT)%20may,exacerbations%20and%20better%20asthma%20control.
God you people are so insulting. I’ve had asthma and allergies my whole life, diagnosed through allergy testing. I wish I could just “think” them away!
You can't think them away. No one is saying that. CBT is not a cure, but a complementary treatment to help you manage the way you experience very real health conditions. It's not in your head, but anger, fear, and anxiety all make real physical conditions feel worse.
PS, I also have allergies and chronic pain from endometriosis. CBT is not a cure, but healthier thoughts improves my experience of these conditions.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
But now you’re changing the subject. We’re talking about personal perfumes (and possibly laundry detergents). I’m one of the perfume supporters and I noted about four pages ago that functional frags seem a thousand times stronger than they were 10 or 20 years ago. But that’s not what this thread is about. If we’re just going to start randomly talking about chemicals that stink, let’s talk about lawn spray and essential oils.
Expanding the subject, not changing.
Personal fragrance is in this mix.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
But now you’re changing the subject. We’re talking about personal perfumes (and possibly laundry detergents). I’m one of the perfume supporters and I noted about four pages ago that functional frags seem a thousand times stronger than they were 10 or 20 years ago. But that’s not what this thread is about. If we’re just going to start randomly talking about chemicals that stink, let’s talk about lawn spray and essential oils.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Hypochondria is a mental illness.
PP, and I was not suggesting that it is a mental illness. However, our experience of any physical reaction has a mental component. Anxiety and panic can cause similar reactions as fragrance and chemical sensitivities, which is why it is worth exploring whether shifting thoughts can improve physical symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457695/#:~:text=Cognitive%20behavioural%20therapy%20(CBT)%20may,exacerbations%20and%20better%20asthma%20control.
God you people are so insulting. I’ve had asthma and allergies my whole life, diagnosed through allergy testing. I wish I could just “think” them away!
You can't think them away. No one is saying that. CBT is not a cure, but a complementary treatment to help you manage the way you experience very real health conditions. It's not in your head, but anger, fear, and anxiety all make real physical conditions feel worse.
PS, I also have allergies and chronic pain from endometriosis. CBT is not a cure, but healthier thoughts improves my experience of these conditions.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Hypochondria is a mental illness.
PP, and I was not suggesting that it is a mental illness. However, our experience of any physical reaction has a mental component. Anxiety and panic can cause similar reactions as fragrance and chemical sensitivities, which is why it is worth exploring whether shifting thoughts can improve physical symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457695/#:~:text=Cognitive%20behavioural%20therapy%20(CBT)%20may,exacerbations%20and%20better%20asthma%20control.
God you people are so insulting. I’ve had asthma and allergies my whole life, diagnosed through allergy testing. I wish I could just “think” them away!
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Hypochondria is a mental illness.
PP, and I was not suggesting that it is a mental illness. However, our experience of any physical reaction has a mental component. Anxiety and panic can cause similar reactions as fragrance and chemical sensitivities, which is why it is worth exploring whether shifting thoughts can improve physical symptoms.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6457695/#:~:text=Cognitive%20behavioural%20therapy%20(CBT)%20may,exacerbations%20and%20better%20asthma%20control.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Hypochondria is a mental illness.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
WTF? Are you high right now?
Allergies are not a mental illness.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:
Do you not understand that not liking the smell isn't the issue?
My ds ended up on oxygen more than once because of people's scented products. All we had to do was walk past someone. An Epipen wouldn't have changed his reaction.
People tend to pay attention to nut allergies. Allergies to perfumes etc get scoffed at from people like you.
There are perfumes all around you AT ALL TIMES when you are out and about. Detergent, soap, skincare, cleaning products, hotel & store branding efforts...the list goes on.
Do you never go anywhere? Never go on vacation? Never shop in a store? How do you avoid perfumes?
NP.
It is true fragrances are everywhere and it is also true that they have harmful effects.
First paragraph of the paper linked below:
Contrary to popular belief, most exposure to hazardous pollutants that affect health and well-being occurs indoors (Ott et al., 2007, Brown, 2007). A primary source of these indoor pollutants and exposures is common fragranced consumer products, such as air fresheners, cleaning products, laundry supplies, and personal care products (Cheng et al., 2015, Nazaroff and Weschler, 2004, Steinemann et al., 2011).
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC5122698/
https://www.noaa.gov/news/those-scented-products-you-love-noaa-study-finds-they-can-cause-air-pollution
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/359/6377/760
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/may/23/fragrance-perfume-personal-cleaning-products-health-issues
I posted above about a study suggesting that reactions to fragrances might be reduced through CBT and not one person has commented. It's much better to make demands and disparage other people than to consider treatments that might reduce your symptoms caused by fragrance exposure. If people are having life threatening reactions by walking by a person wearing perfume, there is a mental component that needs to be addressed.
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:If you think perfume is just worn by old people, step into a Sephora and notice that entire wall that's dedicated to perfumes. Their demographic isn't exactly senior citizens.
I think people just believe that very few people wear perfume because most of us perfume wearers don't abuse it. I put on a little bit on my pulse points, and you can only smell my perfume if you get within hugging distance. The few people who spray themselves down with so much fragrance that you can smell them from 20 feet away give the rest of us a bad name.