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Anonymous wrote:I've noticed that there seems to be a bunch of angry right wing white men venting on different forums and trying to appeal to young men and convince them that they are victims. I've noticed there definitely seems to be an increase in resentment and in the last 4 years, some have become bolder in showing their disdain. I am a Latina healthcare provider and my non-white peers have noticed the same. It scares me.

You’re not imagining things. It’s a coordinated propaganda campaign to radicalize young American men. It’s the same tactics that were used by al-Queda to radicalize listless men in the Middle East

+1 It has also been MUCH more successful than any efforts to radicalize American Muslims. Radicalization of white boys/men is a real problem in the United States, and I can't wait to have a Justice Department that is going to take it seriously.

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past several decades there have been labor market changes that have eroded the working class and turned many white working class in poor whites. There are many communities in this country, many white, that suffer from lack of jobs and an opioid crisis. So many white communities, especially rural ones, are experiencing problems that minority communities have had to contend with. In my career I have seen these problems first hand. These are not the white men posting on DCUM.

What I don't get is the blaming of minorities vs. rich, powerful, mostly white men who are making the decisions that are screwing them over...

Oh, that's easy. They all believe they would BE one of those rich, powerful, white men if only the minorities weren't screwing it up for them.

Prior to 1960s/1970s you could be male and white and be successful no matter what. HS Diploma- factory job with pension, have beers with the guys, be a family dude and church go-er, mow you lawn every Saturday, and then make it to higher pay/supervisor/etc. College degree- man you had it made. Think Mad Men, a majority of white collar professionals were white men, ex. doctors/lawyers/stockbrokers/etc. Positions that made a crap ton of money.

1st AA female on the securities floor happened in 1981 "A decade later in 1981, she would become the first minority female seat holder representing York Securities." https://www.blackenterprise.com/gail-pankey-albert-first-stock-broker/. In June of 2018 there was only 1 full-time women employed at NYSE. That was 39 years ago. The NYSE has been open since 1817- 203 years!

When your child can succeed no matter what and they see their face everywhere, its not hard to raise "winners". Its a full wind at your back propelling you forward. Marriage was the main way that white women were considered "successful". You married well and then your job was the house and your husbands job was his occupation.

FF a bit when women start going out of the workforce. Well now there's competition because women get a taste of being out of the home and they want more prestige, more freedom, etc.. Add in educated immigrants. More competition. Add in minority men and women and you got a whole lotta competition.

White men can no longer just exist and win. Men in their prime earning years (40-60) were raised in the 1960-1980, which means their parents were raised anywhere from 1960-1925. Generational expectations have been shattered.

Now extrapolate that out to the 40-60 year olds having kids, those kids are 20-40. And they've been raised by parents and grandparents who know their kids will not have the same opportunities because of more competition combined with less jobs. But they are still raised with a sense of entitlement and confidence that only comes from generations.

And its funny to me, because they very people who were in charge during the 70s-90s, disrupting labor unions, etc. were white men. They tried to drop the ladder on minorities and women and managed to drop it on other white people too. The fall of unionization was done by corporations and when unions are weak, the non-unionized forms of labor are able to hold a lesser standard as well.

Income inequality is the main driver of why white men are angry but its easier to shift the blame to non-white people. At play is also the white women belong to white men and/or the purity of race aspect. In really basic terms, women are supposed to choose the most desirable mate. If white women are selecting minority men for mates, then it means that minority men are equally/more desirable compared to white men in terms of desirability.

Not only are they losing jobs, losing income, but they are also losing reproductive dominance.

Agree - it is wrong, and also not uncommon in DS experience here in FFX. Just off top of my head:

- our daughter loved Heart & Soul (and Girls on the Run before that). But there was no running program for boys. Or coed.

Did you volunteer to set up a boy's running club at your local ES, or work to identify a faculty sponsor? Let Me Run and Hero Boys are both running programs in this area.

-ES offers special Coding for Girls class.

Do they not also offer a co-ed class?

- NSO program to Kennedy Center featured a program: Girl Power! (Yep - only female symphony members telling the whole class one side of things)

Have you ever SEEN the gender breakdown of a symphony? A female concert master? A female conductor? They are so rare that people can go years without seeing one.

- Boy Scouts & Cubs are now Co-ed, while Girl Scouts is still girls only (no sign of that changing). And these are just the things personally affecting one family’s son.

Okay, that was a decision that BSA made because they were hemorrhaging support and money after sex abuse scandals. That has nothing to do with "girl power" and everything to do with trying to save a possibly dying organization.

Anonymous wrote:Pp that shared the story about my son and the school election (and the all female staff wearing Girlz Rul shirts)

I’m not trying to equate these micro aggressions with institutional racism. But when you’re an eight year old or nine-year-old or 10-year-old boy it does mean everything to him.

And while I have never had to explain to him that there are People That don’t like him simply based on the color of his skin, I did have to explain to him that they was somebody important in his life, his teacher, that didn’t want to see him succeed simply based off his gender. And to be frank that was a very difficult conversation. I’m not suggesting it as difficult conversations that people of color have to have. But it involved a lot of tears and to be honest I don’t think he understood why his teacher didn’t want to see him win simply because he was a boy. It was a hard lesson.

This isn’t a zero sum game. There can be institutional sexism in the schools and institutional racism in society

And yes, this was raised to the principal. The teacher never mentioned it or apologized.

That's awful. People seem to forget that you can have institutional racism and white men can have greater privilege in society overall but an individual child can be hurt by those who focus on promoting greater equality in society. It's not that child's fault that white men run corporations and government. There is a real crisis in how boys get turned off from school in the elementary years and that applies to boys of all colors. Certainly it is worse for Black and Hispanic boys but all would be helped if the schools thought about how all students could be supported as individuals.

I was also really frustrated by the lack of programs for boys, *all* boys, when my son was young. He was disinterested in school and needed opportunities to try out things that could spark an interest. We'd hear about an interesting weekend program but turns out it's just for girls or just for minority boys. Fortunately, we can afford to pay for camps and tutors so he did get what he needed but I can totally understand a low income white family getting really angry at the school system's decision that they don't really need to invest anything in white boys' success.

Anonymous wrote:16 pages of this crap.

The only thing I've learned is that everyone is a professional victim and it's always someone else's or some other group's fault. No one is capable or responsible for taking their destiny and success into their own hands.

Ahhh the toxicity if ID politics. Thanks democrats.

No, you should thank Fox News. It’s the biggest propagator of identity politics that exists. Trump is the white identity politics POTUS.

16 pages of this crap.

The only thing I've learned is that everyone is a professional victim and it's always someone else's or some other group's fault. No one is capable or responsible for taking their destiny and success into their own hands.

Ahhh the toxicity if ID politics. Thanks democrats.

Pp that shared the story about my son and the school election (and the all female staff wearing Girlz Rul shirts)

I’m not trying to equate these micro aggressions with institutional racism. But when you’re an eight year old or nine-year-old or 10-year-old boy it does mean everything to him.

And while I have never had to explain to him that there are People That don’t like him simply based on the color of his skin, I did have to explain to him that they was somebody important in his life, his teacher, that didn’t want to see him succeed simply based off his gender. And to be frank that was a very difficult conversation. I’m not suggesting it as difficult conversations that people of color have to have. But it involved a lot of tears and to be honest I don’t think he understood why his teacher didn’t want to see him win simply because he was a boy. It was a hard lesson.

This isn’t a zero sum game. There can be institutional sexism in the schools and institutional racism in society

And yes, this was raised to the principal. The teacher never mentioned it or apologized.

Anonymous wrote:I've noticed that there seems to be a bunch of angry right wing white men venting on different forums and trying to appeal to young men and convince them that they are victims. I've noticed there definitely seems to be an increase in resentment and in the last 4 years, some have become bolder in showing their disdain. I am a Latina healthcare provider and my non-white peers have noticed the same. It scares me.

You’re not imagining things. It’s a coordinated propaganda campaign to radicalize young American men. It’s the same tactics that were used by al-Queda to radicalize listless men in the Middle East

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Anonymous wrote:Over the past several decades there have been labor market changes that have eroded the working class and turned many white working class in poor whites. There are many communities in this country, many white, that suffer from lack of jobs and an opioid crisis. So many white communities, especially rural ones, are experiencing problems that minority communities have had to contend with. In my career I have seen these problems first hand. These are not the white men posting on DCUM.

What I don't get is the blaming of minorities vs. rich, powerful, mostly white men who are making the decisions that are screwing them over...

Angry, Middling white men are too dumb to figure out who is f#cking them. They aspire to be the powerful, wealthy white guy who controls the lives of others. They can’t admit their truth to themselves.

Anonymous wrote:Over the past several decades there have been labor market changes that have eroded the working class and turned many white working class in poor whites. There are many communities in this country, many white, that suffer from lack of jobs and an opioid crisis. So many white communities, especially rural ones, are experiencing problems that minority communities have had to contend with. In my career I have seen these problems first hand. These are not the white men posting on DCUM.

What I don't get is the blaming of minorities vs. rich, powerful, mostly white men who are making the decisions that are screwing them over...

I've noticed that there seems to be a bunch of angry right wing white men venting on different forums and trying to appeal to young men and convince them that they are victims. I've noticed there definitely seems to be an increase in resentment and in the last 4 years, some have become bolder in showing their disdain. I am a Latina healthcare provider and my non-white peers have noticed the same. It scares me.

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Anonymous wrote:I have become aware recently after having heard rants from my upper middle class white early thirties husband, that there is a subgroup of men who have a lot of resentment and anger at the state of current affairs in our society.

- They feel young boys are not included in early education and socialization efforts as the focus is solely on empowering young girls and minorities
- They feel resentful that they are being told they are "bad" or "toxic" and being called "rapist"
- Women and minorities are hired for jobs and opportunities instead of them
- Media is taken over by women and Minorities
- Politics is taken over by special interest groups that does not necessarily favor their interests

Is this a larger intellectual movement or not?

I am a white male job hunting and there are now Diversity and Inclusion recruiters. The jobs are not posted and they only reach out to women and minority women is a double plus.

Job is no posted anywhere, and recruiters are told no white makes.

Annoying as I see women and such post up on LinkedIn they got a new job that I should have at least interviewed for.

And whites women are now being stigmatized. But preferred also being given, gbkt, vets, etc

A middle aged straight white male who is not a veteran can’t find work. In fact can’t even see the jobs as not posted.

Also it starts in 11 grade as a white male can’t even get into a good college

https://www.yale.edu/about-yale/yale-facts

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

So whites are underrepresented? Whites make up 75% of the population.

53.7% of students at Yale are white. Are they all women or is Yale not a "good college"?

Right, 53.7%. Why is it 20% less than the representative population of the country?

And yet Asian kids succeed wildly. I’m sure the people posting on this forum don’t even understand that this has to do with hard work, dedicated and devoted parents, and a good moral structure.

In my own experience, I’ve never heard men make these complaints, but I’ve heard these sentiments come from moms of boys.

Anonymous wrote:Women who have boys and choose to define themselves as ‘boy moms’ seem to be the main proponents of pro-boys garbage

If these pesky mothers just got out of the way, we can manipulate and browbeat their sons, right PP?