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How can you compare the location of Alexandria to the location of Cumberland? You have lost this argument.

Cumberland used to be the second largest city in Maryland. The National Road, the C&O Canal, the B&O Railroad, lots of factories...

Not that this is relevant to the DC Slow Streets program.

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You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

"Sleepy port" is also hugely different from rural West Virginia. DC is located on a major river; places like that tended to develop into cities. Something like the C&O to connect the navigable portion of the Potomac to places further inland would likely have happened either way. The first attempts at something similar were made before the Federal district was created.

You really believe Alexandria or Georgetown could have developed into a world city to rival NYC or London? And the Potomac is hardly a major navigable river. You need to get out more.

Did I say "a world class city to rival NYC or London"? It's not that now. You need to learn to read.

It's obviously not that now. But some on this thread seem insistent this area would have been something grander than just another Fredericksburg or Cumberland, absent the placement of the nation's capital here.

How can you compare the location of Alexandria to the location of Cumberland? You have lost this argument.

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You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

"Sleepy port" is also hugely different from rural West Virginia. DC is located on a major river; places like that tended to develop into cities. Something like the C&O to connect the navigable portion of the Potomac to places further inland would likely have happened either way. The first attempts at something similar were made before the Federal district was created.

You really believe Alexandria or Georgetown could have developed into a world city to rival NYC or London? And the Potomac is hardly a major navigable river. You need to get out more.

Did I say "a world class city to rival NYC or London"? It's not that now. You need to learn to read.

It's obviously not that now. But some on this thread seem insistent this area would have been something grander than just another Fredericksburg or Cumberland, absent the placement of the nation's capital here.

And those people “insisting” are probably right. Most major rivers have a city located at/near the head of navigation or at the fall line. It’s reasonable to assume that Alexandria would have grown into such a city if DC was never formed. It had (and has) both geographical and topographical advantages over Georgetown as a port city. It’s also reasonable to assume that Alexandria would not have grown to Baltimore’s size, given Baltimore’s location on the Chesapeake Bay. However, at the same, it would have most assuredly grown to a size larger than Fredericksburg or Cumberland.

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Anonymous wrote:DC should tread lightly on commuter tax bs. Being completely surrounded by MD and VA, I wonder if all of the trucks heading into the city to restock etc. driving on MD and VA roads should be considered for a "tax". DC residents don't pay MD and VA for clogging the roads with supplies for the city.

Be careful what you wish for and especially now with telework from home becoming more and more common.

DC should be thankful it was chosen for the site of the Federal Government, otherwise it really offers nothing to anyone.

You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Another ignorant post written by someone who stupidly thinks D.C. is and has always been the center of civilization...

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You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

"Sleepy port" is also hugely different from rural West Virginia. DC is located on a major river; places like that tended to develop into cities. Something like the C&O to connect the navigable portion of the Potomac to places further inland would likely have happened either way. The first attempts at something similar were made before the Federal district was created.

You really believe Alexandria or Georgetown could have developed into a world city to rival NYC or London? And the Potomac is hardly a major navigable river. You need to get out more.

Did I say "a world class city to rival NYC or London"? It's not that now. You need to learn to read.

It's obviously not that now. But some on this thread seem insistent this area would have been something grander than just another Fredericksburg or Cumberland, absent the placement of the nation's capital here.

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You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

"Sleepy port" is also hugely different from rural West Virginia. DC is located on a major river; places like that tended to develop into cities. Something like the C&O to connect the navigable portion of the Potomac to places further inland would likely have happened either way. The first attempts at something similar were made before the Federal district was created.

You really believe Alexandria or Georgetown could have developed into a world city to rival NYC or London? And the Potomac is hardly a major navigable river. You need to get out more.

Did I say "a world class city to rival NYC or London"? It's not that now. You need to learn to read.

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You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

"Sleepy port" is also hugely different from rural West Virginia. DC is located on a major river; places like that tended to develop into cities. Something like the C&O to connect the navigable portion of the Potomac to places further inland would likely have happened either way. The first attempts at something similar were made before the Federal district was created.

You really believe Alexandria or Georgetown could have developed into a world city to rival NYC or London? And the Potomac is hardly a major navigable river. You need to get out more.

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You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

"Sleepy port" is also hugely different from rural West Virginia. DC is located on a major river; places like that tended to develop into cities. Something like the C&O to connect the navigable portion of the Potomac to places further inland would likely have happened either way. The first attempts at something similar were made before the Federal district was created.

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Anonymous wrote:
You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

I mean that could basically describe every populated place in the US at that point, even NYC only had about 30,000 inhabitants. But yet sleepy ports would would turn into cities all over the country in the next 100 years. That may well have happened in either of those two places.

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:
You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Georgetown and Alexandria were sleepy slave ports at the end of the road. What could have possibly become of them without the federal government?! Just look at rural VA, WV or Delmarva today. Some cute towns and farms but that's about it.

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Anonymous wrote:
You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

It is an interesting thought. Weren’t Georgetown and Alexandria already well established cities and trading posts prior to DC?

The region would for sure be very different but I don’t think anyone can say what it would look like.

Anonymous wrote:
You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Yes. 100%

Anonymous wrote:DC should tread lightly on commuter tax bs. Being completely surrounded by MD and VA, I wonder if all of the trucks heading into the city to restock etc. driving on MD and VA roads should be considered for a "tax". DC residents don't pay MD and VA for clogging the roads with supplies for the city.

Be careful what you wish for and especially now with telework from home becoming more and more common.

DC should be thankful it was chosen for the site of the Federal Government, otherwise it really offers nothing to anyone.

You got it backwards, it is really VA and MD that should be thankful for DC. Most of VA and MD would be backward hinterlands without the federal capital sandwiched between them. Placing DC here is the biggest government handout ever to a couple states that really don't have much else going for them.

Anonymous wrote:This is what DC does. Pile on ever more laws. Enforce nothing. Laws are almost symbolic in DC.

Pretty much. Slow Streets is stupid because it's just more DC posturing about making streets safer for non-drivers without doing anything that would actually make streets safer. They made a huge deal earlier this year about banning right on red throughout the city, but I haven't seen any new signs actually informing drivers of this, so we still see tons of right on red. Hell drivers know there are slim to none odds that they will be punished for such behavior, so they continue to do it with impunity anyway.

As long as Muriel Bowser continues as our city's chief executive, our transportation policy will always be geared toward being as accommodating to drivers as possible while pretending to slightly care about the safety and well being of the city's non drivers.

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Anonymous wrote:Put me in the camp of cars and people can coexist. I have zero issues with driving slower through slow streets. Heck make all side roads that are not designed crossovers slow streets. Engineer them to be such. And if I am on a faster street and see a lady walking a dog in it, I'll still slow down. Do you want me to flip her off... For walking a dog or chasing a baseball into the street.

The issue is not that you have to drive more slowly on slow streets. It’s that you’re not supposed to drive on them at all unless your destination is within a couple of blocks.

And this is a major issue because...?

Because they are public streets. And all this does is divert traffic onto other equally residential streets.

They're public streets, and they're open to the public.