Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 12:59     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:I see classmates and teachers were photoshopped onto Holocaust victims. I see black faces. I see Jewish faces. Was this an internal or external thing? Was anyone ever expelled for this at STA?


This was internal. STA students (one in particular started it) photoshopped the pictures of faces of black and jewish faces of classmates and teachers on holocaust victims. He thought it was so hilarious that he shared it with others. Ultimately, I believe he was expelled, but it took awhile. Why? Because the other boys who saw the pictures did not turn him in, one of their mothers did (and I understand from others at the school that the mom got a lot of grief for having the *audacity* to bring to the attention of the school this situation). The boys did not choose the hard right over the easy wrong at the time, and after there were expulsions, there was a movement to rally behind the culprit against the school's decision to do the (very obvious) right thing.

But sure, these posts on IG are all just fake. It can't possibly be that STA has issues it needs to work on in its culture and the perpetuation of that culture by some in the admissions office, the board, and some legacy families.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 12:13     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
I see classmates and teachers were photoshopped onto Holocaust victims. I see black faces. I see Jewish faces. Was this an internal or external thing? Was anyone ever expelled for this at STA?
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 11:48     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:Look genius - it’s an old joke by Chris Rock.

Why can’t we all get along and you work on your writing.


I'm going to hazard a guess that you don't even know what you're referencing and how silly it makes you look.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 11:42     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Look genius - it’s an old joke by Chris Rock.

Why can’t we all get along and you work on your writing.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 11:23     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dating discrimination is that white women date black men but black women don’t like to date white men. Because they don’t find white men attractive. Sure, they would hook up with George Clooney but they ain’t going out with George from Seinfeld.



Exactly. White men are the most frequent victims of discrimination.


So, black people discriminate against white men, but not white women? Isn’t this against the BLM principle? Why black community tolerates this?
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:39     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


You're talking about a school where kids photoshopped black faces onto holocaust corpses in 2019. So yes, I believe these posts are plausible. Good grief.


What was so grotesque and troublesome about this event which happened TWO year ago is:

Not only did the kids do it but they felt confident enough to do it openly at school. Clearly they didn't fear repercussions or expulsion for doing this. They assumed the school would have their back or that it would just be laughed off.
It really shows how intrenched racism is in parts of this school community.



And how entrenched the privilege and elitism is. These boys are literally told on a daily basis how special and better than everyone else they are because they go to STA. This deep culture bleeds over to the parents as well, which is why we hear all to often about how most boys couldn't handle the academics at STA and how STA is the best school and so special, etc, etc. Even the Black at STA Instagram posts address this issue, saying it was "relentlessly promoted" that the boys were the "best of the best" and "better than everyone else" because they were at STA. This narcissism, elitist, and privilege is entrenched in the culture and encouraged. It is the crux of the problem in regards to a majority of issues the schools has been facing.


I really think you've hit on something here. I have a daughter in the upper school at NCS and you don't have this same "you are better than everyone else" culture there. There was none of it in the admissions process and I can't recall any time that my daughter has been told "you're at the best school, you are so privileged to be here" or similar. Life is a fairly quiet slog for these girls and there is very little (to no) recognition of how hard they work. In contrast, my son went on the admissions tour at STA and it was clear from those 60 minutes that the school is relentless in promoting to their boys that they are the "most special boys ever and this experience is the most special experience ever".
It's interesting because I know this bothers some NCS parents who also have kids at STA; they like the self-promotion of STA and wish that NCS had more of it. Frankly they love being told how elite their boys are. However, this sort of self-promotion runs the risk of creating elitism and toxic privilege.


Perhaps the elitism and "you're-the-best"-ism wouldn't be so bad if it seemed to include all STA boys. Apparently, someone there is sending the message that "you're the best" only applies if you're white. I can actually see a situation where a message like that might help students, during adolescence, were it a message that all felt a part of. We're not even to that point, though, as it seems the message is really only reserved for "the right/white sort."
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:36     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


You're talking about a school where kids photoshopped black faces onto holocaust corpses in 2019. So yes, I believe these posts are plausible. Good grief.


What was so grotesque and troublesome about this event which happened TWO year ago is:

Not only did the kids do it but they felt confident enough to do it openly at school. Clearly they didn't fear repercussions or expulsion for doing this. They assumed the school would have their back or that it would just be laughed off.
It really shows how intrenched racism is in parts of this school community.



And how entrenched the privilege and elitism is. These boys are literally told on a daily basis how special and better than everyone else they are because they go to STA. This deep culture bleeds over to the parents as well, which is why we hear all to often about how most boys couldn't handle the academics at STA and how STA is the best school and so special, etc, etc. Even the Black at STA Instagram posts address this issue, saying it was "relentlessly promoted" that the boys were the "best of the best" and "better than everyone else" because they were at STA. This narcissism, elitist, and privilege is entrenched in the culture and encouraged. It is the crux of the problem in regards to a majority of issues the schools has been facing.


I really think you've hit on something here. I have a daughter in the upper school at NCS and you don't have this same "you are better than everyone else" culture there. There was none of it in the admissions process and I can't recall any time that my daughter has been told "you're at the best school, you are so privileged to be here" or similar. Life is a fairly quiet slog for these girls and there is very little (to no) recognition of how hard they work. In contrast, my son went on the admissions tour at STA and it was clear from those 60 minutes that the school is relentless in promoting to their boys that they are the "most special boys ever and this experience is the most special experience ever".
It's interesting because I know this bothers some NCS parents who also have kids at STA; they like the self-promotion of STA and wish that NCS had more of it. Frankly they love being told how elite their boys are. However, this sort of self-promotion runs the risk of creating elitism and toxic privilege.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:33     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dating discrimination is that white women date black men but black women don’t like to date white men. Because they don’t find white men attractive. Sure, they would hook up with George Clooney but they ain’t going out with George from Seinfeld.



Exactly. White men are the most frequent victims of discrimination.


LOL. This thread has long since jumped the shark. People that are new to these issues think the sky is falling. For many of us, this has been standard in nearly all institutions -- not just the elite ones. It's not right or acceptable and we should strive to fix these issues, but this is a part of life for black folks. It's good that people are starting to acknowledge it. But the pendulum can swing too far into woke-land where black folks, like maybe in the case of the NCS diversity and inclusion person who quit on the very students she claimed were being abused even though addressing issues of diversity were her express charge within her job description (sorry, just my view, don't quit and say it's not your job to fix something that is literally your job to fix or at least help out with. Ultimately, you were there to serve the students, not yourself), begin to focus more on how things ought to be rather than how to thrive within what is...WHILE seeking positive change for yourself and others.

Whether people like it or not, that's the landscape, which by the way if appreciably better than what it has been heretofore. Quitting or just throwing your hands up in the air and leaving only deprives you of the benefits that come from inclusion. Yes, there is a price to pay and those of us with children in these schools need to be careful that they aren't undermined or disillusioned in the name of an elite education. But that's the balance.


"That's the price to pay?" You and I clearly see things quite differently, as I do not believe that having my child's head photoshopped on top of the corpse of a holocaust victim is a price I'm willing to pay--or for my child to pay--for ANYTHING.

"that's the balance?" What are you talking about? The balance being requested isn't that we go from photoshopping faces onto holocaust victims all the way over to, as you call it, "woke-land." There is a ****huge**** amount of daylight between these incidents and "woke-land," as you so pejoratively call it.

Call me "woke," but I don't think it's "the price to pay" to have diverse children photoshopped onto corpses from the holocaust. I do not think it's the "price to pay" to have a diverse child surrounded while having "build that wall!" being chanted around him. I do not think it's the "price to pay" to have a diverse child being pressured, day in and day out, to kill himself. Besides, who is charging the price? That would be the schools, at about 50k. For 50k, I think I'll go somewhere where my kid and his diverse classmates and teachers are not the objects of vicious, racist, anti-semitic genocide jokes. But I guess that's just "my balance."
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:27     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


Yes it would totally shock me. There haven't been any racist incidents of that nature in the country or at the cathedral schools lately. Especially not incidents where students Photoshop pictures of classmates' and teachers' faces on the corpses of Holocaust victims. That must have been decades ago! Relentlessly pursuing a student and telling him to kill himself--that must have been way in the past! Oh wait, that happened recently too. Build that Wall must be ancient! Oh wait, it can't be, given that only became a thing when Trump came around four years ago. That too happened!

So yes, I believe it, and the fact that you don't is the reason that diverse families leave the cathedral schools. Want to Deny that? You can't, because it is still happening--and you know it. But maybe that's exactly how you want it, suck is what you're not willing to say.


*Which is what you're not willing to say. Sorry all thumbs on this phone.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:27     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


Yes it would totally shock me. There haven't been any racist incidents of that nature in the country or at the cathedral schools lately. Especially not incidents where students Photoshop pictures of classmates' and teachers' faces on the corpses of Holocaust victims. That must have been decades ago! Relentlessly pursuing a student and telling him to kill himself--that must have been way in the past! Oh wait, that happened recently too. Build that Wall must be ancient! Oh wait, it can't be, given that only became a thing when Trump came around four years ago. That too happened!

So yes, I believe it, and the fact that you don't is the reason that diverse families leave the cathedral schools. Want to Deny that? You can't, because it is still happening--and you know it. But maybe that's exactly how you want it, suck is what you're not willing to say.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:24     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


You're talking about a school where kids photoshopped black faces onto holocaust corpses in 2019. So yes, I believe these posts are plausible. Good grief.


What was so grotesque and troublesome about this event which happened TWO year ago is:

Not only did the kids do it but they felt confident enough to do it openly at school. Clearly they didn't fear repercussions or expulsion for doing this. They assumed the school would have their back or that it would just be laughed off.
It really shows how intrenched racism is in parts of this school community.



And how entrenched the privilege and elitism is. These boys are literally told on a daily basis how special and better than everyone else they are because they go to STA. This deep culture bleeds over to the parents as well, which is why we hear all to often about how most boys couldn't handle the academics at STA and how STA is the best school and so special, etc, etc. Even the Black at STA Instagram posts address this issue, saying it was "relentlessly promoted" that the boys were the "best of the best" and "better than everyone else" because they were at STA. This narcissism, elitist, and privilege is entrenched in the culture and encouraged. It is the crux of the problem in regards to a majority of issues the schools has been facing.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 10:22     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Dating discrimination is that white women date black men but black women don’t like to date white men. Because they don’t find white men attractive. Sure, they would hook up with George Clooney but they ain’t going out with George from Seinfeld.



Exactly. White men are the most frequent victims of discrimination.


LOL. This thread has long since jumped the shark. People that are new to these issues think the sky is falling. For many of us, this has been standard in nearly all institutions -- not just the elite ones. It's not right or acceptable and we should strive to fix these issues, but this is a part of life for black folks. It's good that people are starting to acknowledge it. But the pendulum can swing too far into woke-land where black folks, like maybe in the case of the NCS diversity and inclusion person who quit on the very students she claimed were being abused even though addressing issues of diversity were her express charge within her job description (sorry, just my view, don't quit and say it's not your job to fix something that is literally your job to fix or at least help out with. Ultimately, you were there to serve the students, not yourself), begin to focus more on how things ought to be rather than how to thrive within what is...WHILE seeking positive change for yourself and others.

Whether people like it or not, that's the landscape, which by the way if appreciably better than what it has been heretofore. Quitting or just throwing your hands up in the air and leaving only deprives you of the benefits that come from inclusion. Yes, there is a price to pay and those of us with children in these schools need to be careful that they aren't undermined or disillusioned in the name of an elite education. But that's the balance.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 09:46     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:Dating discrimination is that white women date black men but black women don’t like to date white men. Because they don’t find white men attractive. Sure, they would hook up with George Clooney but they ain’t going out with George from Seinfeld.



Exactly. White men are the most frequent victims of discrimination.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 09:21     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


You're talking about a school where kids photoshopped black faces onto holocaust corpses in 2019. So yes, I believe these posts are plausible. Good grief.


What was so grotesque and troublesome about this event which happened TWO year ago is:

Not only did the kids do it but they felt confident enough to do it openly at school. Clearly they didn't fear repercussions or expulsion for doing this. They assumed the school would have their back or that it would just be laughed off.
It really shows how intrenched racism is in parts of this school community.



None of these accounts are unusual at predominantly white elite schools.
Anonymous
Post 11/23/2020 09:11     Subject: Deep Racism Problems at NCS and STA: Questions/Answers we can't get through admissions
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:Anyone or any school that makes decisions based on anonymous posts deserves what they get. I read some of the posts. Even the former head of Diversity at NCS gets tossed under the bus. While some of the older posts are plausible do you really believe a current student told another that if this was a few years ago I’d lynch you?


You're talking about a school where kids photoshopped black faces onto holocaust corpses in 2019. So yes, I believe these posts are plausible. Good grief.


What was so grotesque and troublesome about this event which happened TWO year ago is:

Not only did the kids do it but they felt confident enough to do it openly at school. Clearly they didn't fear repercussions or expulsion for doing this. They assumed the school would have their back or that it would just be laughed off.
It really shows how intrenched racism is in parts of this school community.