Anonymous
09/05/2020 23:35
Subject: Re:Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Don't waste early, limited vaccine supplies on the least vulnerable.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 22:24
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ohio State has 882 cases. They added over 800 new cases in one week. They are holding steady on percent % on campus— but are at almost 10% positive off campus. Double a few days ago.
In response Ohio State has asked their students to take COIVD seriously, mask and social distance. Please. If you don’t mind.
What an innovative request. I’m sure no school has thought of that yet.
NP. Yep. The problem is that these have been "requests" and colleges are "asking" students to follow protocols. It's too late now for most schools, of course, but they should have (and still can) require masks, require distancing, etc. They would have to do the one thing they're scared to do: Enforce. They're scared parents will rebel because the parents will say how they pay big bucks for college and colleges can't tell their supposed "adult" children what to do, but can only ask. Sorry, if my adult college student isn't following the rules I welcome her being called out, and if she won't comply, sent home.
Many of the colleges had the students sign a contract agreeing to certain conditions before returning to campus. Dartmouth’s contract even says they agree to take a vaccine if one is approved by both the FDA and the school.
God, I hope they don't force students to take an untested Trump vaccine.
Pharmaceutical companies have developed the vaccines. They are being tested like all therapies are tested. These comments are exhausting. And yes, schools from elementary through college might have policies requiring immunization.
given that covid is low-risk for children, compulsory vaccination may be hard to justify.
Yet another person who thinks "low risk for children" magically means children don't infect adults.
Children can have no symptoms but still pass the virus to other people.
And no, I don't believe in a mandatory vaccine (yet--at least not until there's a carefully tested one, which I don't trust this administration to provide). I just am amazed at how many people ignorantly toss out "it's low risk for children" as if that's the end of the discussion re: kids and coronavirus. No. They're spreaders. Read up on it rather than reading only what fits the narrative you hope is true.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 15:59
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ohio State has 882 cases. They added over 800 new cases in one week. They are holding steady on percent % on campus— but are at almost 10% positive off campus. Double a few days ago.
In response Ohio State has asked their students to take COIVD seriously, mask and social distance. Please. If you don’t mind.
What an innovative request. I’m sure no school has thought of that yet.
NP. Yep. The problem is that these have been "requests" and colleges are "asking" students to follow protocols. It's too late now for most schools, of course, but they should have (and still can) require masks, require distancing, etc. They would have to do the one thing they're scared to do: Enforce. They're scared parents will rebel because the parents will say how they pay big bucks for college and colleges can't tell their supposed "adult" children what to do, but can only ask. Sorry, if my adult college student isn't following the rules I welcome her being called out, and if she won't comply, sent home.
Many of the colleges had the students sign a contract agreeing to certain conditions before returning to campus. Dartmouth’s contract even says they agree to take a vaccine if one is approved by both the FDA and the school.
God, I hope they don't force students to take an untested Trump vaccine.
Pharmaceutical companies have developed the vaccines. They are being tested like all therapies are tested. These comments are exhausting. And yes, schools from elementary through college might have policies requiring immunization.
given that covid is low-risk for children, compulsory vaccination may be hard to justify.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 15:42
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Yeah, parents who drink heavily themselves or have kids who do, console themselves with the belief that "everyone does it"
Anonymous
09/05/2020 15:42
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone want their kid to join a fraternity. Really.
You name the health issue (binge drinking, hazing, rape) and they have an outsized problem. This is based upon studies, not my stereotype).
Think about what else your kid is "learning" there.
Social connections, popularity
I think drinking, hazing and sex are why men join
I did not ask why a certain type of young man might want to join, I asked why a parent would EVER want their college age child in one.
do you have a current college student? The drinking and sex are just as prevalent outside of greek life now, if not moreso. Those inside greek life are actually held to standards and face charges that affect the entire chapter if caught. My kid goes go a heavy greek life school. Chapters have been suspended and/or kicked off for things like sororities giving new members a bottle of champagne, a frat requiring boys to party every night for the first week of pledging, having hard alcohol in their frat house, making pledges wear ugly clothes (considered hazing), etc. Right now, if they are caught in a group of more than 15, the whole frat or sorority can get disbanded.
The students not in greek life, are free to do whatever they want without responsibility to an organization. Their infractions only affect themselves. There are students who don’t party, but for those who do, it’s a free for all, and many have moved past alcohol and weed and cocaine is surprisingly common on college campuses now.
In addition, Sports teams haze just as hard if not harder and clubs party just as hard, although they can face infractions.
You can’t blame everything on greek life. All college students are adults and need to make responsible decisions. If they can’t, they shouldn’t be away from home yet.
I do have a kid in college right now.
One who would not even consider a heavy greek school.
If you think such schools have the same culture as non greek, you are wrong.
There are many studies to document this.
Have the worse been shut down (often after DEATHS), yes. But what was up with that being needed.
You are kidding yourself. Maybe you should read up how distorted people's views of college drinking are.
http://cobe.vcu.edu/behind-the-numbers-love-liquor-and-social-norms-theory-at-vcu/
Anonymous
09/05/2020 14:32
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Gettysburg is going remote for semester.
They only announced on Sept. 1 that all students would quarantine in rooms for a time (no leaving room except for bedroom and food pickup). --- then changed that on the 4th to "de-densify" (their term) the campus. Only freshmen, international students and a few other categories allowed to live on campus and all others have to leave. It's a pretty quick change from one plan to another. I don't have a kid there but was actually glad to see a college take the strong step of a temporary but tough lockdown as a move to try to nip infections and keep students on campus. I wonder what made the college reverse itself so fast. I wonder if parents went nuts at the lockdown? If that's what caused the change, well, the parents will get their kids, plus any virus they're carrying, right back home to infect many other communities. Anyone with a kid at Gettysburg with insight?
Non-Greek students were apparently angry that the big spike in cases came after Greek rush week when there were parties without distancing or masks and campus and local police would just pass right by the crowds. Post had an article about it.
I'm sure someone will say that the lockdown plan was "damaging to mental health" etc. but it was not going to last forever, and students can handle it IF they want to be on campus. Any campus. Students snd parents and Greek systems have to let go of all their notions about what college "should" be and what students can or can't endure.
900 students out of 2100 will be staying on campus. The cases started to multiply exponentially - it went from 12 to 33 to 64 in under a week.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 10:44
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone want their kid to join a fraternity. Really.
You name the health issue (binge drinking, hazing, rape) and they have an outsized problem. This is based upon studies, not my stereotype).
Think about what else your kid is "learning" there.
Social connections, popularity
I think drinking, hazing and sex are why men join
I did not ask why a certain type of young man might want to join, I asked why a parent would EVER want their college age child in one.
do you have a current college student? The drinking and sex are just as prevalent outside of greek life now, if not moreso. Those inside greek life are actually held to standards and face charges that affect the entire chapter if caught. My kid goes go a heavy greek life school. Chapters have been suspended and/or kicked off for things like sororities giving new members a bottle of champagne, a frat requiring boys to party every night for the first week of pledging, having hard alcohol in their frat house, making pledges wear ugly clothes (considered hazing), etc. Right now, if they are caught in a group of more than 15, the whole frat or sorority can get disbanded.
The students not in greek life, are free to do whatever they want without responsibility to an organization. Their infractions only affect themselves. There are students who don’t party, but for those who do, it’s a free for all, and many have moved past alcohol and weed and cocaine is surprisingly common on college campuses now.
In addition, Sports teams haze just as hard if not harder and clubs party just as hard, although they can face infractions.
You can’t blame everything on greek life. All college students are adults and need to make responsible decisions. If they can’t, they shouldn’t be away from home yet.
Hey, Greek-booster parent, wait and take a look at how many outbreaks wil end up tying back to Greek houses and Greek rush weeks. See above, re: Gettysburg College.
Of course we know ANY idiot partying, Greek or not, will spread the virus. But you seem to believe that Greek houses somehow are more responsible because they have rules and because there are a few cases of those rules getting enforced. Those are just the kids who got caught. And events like rush week exist for partying.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 10:38
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ohio State has 882 cases. They added over 800 new cases in one week. They are holding steady on percent % on campus— but are at almost 10% positive off campus. Double a few days ago.
In response Ohio State has asked their students to take COIVD seriously, mask and social distance. Please. If you don’t mind.
What an innovative request. I’m sure no school has thought of that yet.
NP. Yep. The problem is that these have been "requests" and colleges are "asking" students to follow protocols. It's too late now for most schools, of course, but they should have (and still can) require masks, require distancing, etc. They would have to do the one thing they're scared to do: Enforce. They're scared parents will rebel because the parents will say how they pay big bucks for college and colleges can't tell their supposed "adult" children what to do, but can only ask. Sorry, if my adult college student isn't following the rules I welcome her being called out, and if she won't comply, sent home.
Many of the colleges had the students sign a contract agreeing to certain conditions before returning to campus. Dartmouth’s contract even says they agree to take a vaccine if one is approved by both the FDA and the school.
God, I hope they don't force students to take an untested Trump vaccine.
Pharmaceutical companies have developed the vaccines. They are being tested like all therapies are tested. These comments are exhausting. And yes, schools from elementary through college might have policies requiring immunization.
If you think the current FDA and CDC are not under the administration's thumb, and if you believe that in the US, any vaccine testing is not going to be influenced by political pressure, you're too trusting. Sorry if that fact "exhausts" you.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 10:33
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Gettysburg is going remote for semester.
They only announced on Sept. 1 that all students would quarantine in rooms for a time (no leaving room except for bedroom and food pickup). --- then changed that on the 4th to "de-densify" (their term) the campus. Only freshmen, international students and a few other categories allowed to live on campus and all others have to leave. It's a pretty quick change from one plan to another. I don't have a kid there but was actually glad to see a college take the strong step of a temporary but tough lockdown as a move to try to nip infections and keep students on campus. I wonder what made the college reverse itself so fast. I wonder if parents went nuts at the lockdown? If that's what caused the change, well, the parents will get their kids, plus any virus they're carrying, right back home to infect many other communities. Anyone with a kid at Gettysburg with insight?
Non-Greek students were apparently angry that the big spike in cases came after Greek rush week when there were parties without distancing or masks and campus and local police would just pass right by the crowds. Post had an article about it.
I'm sure someone will say that the lockdown plan was "damaging to mental health" etc. but it was not going to last forever, and students can handle it IF they want to be on campus. Any campus. Students snd parents and Greek systems have to let go of all their notions about what college "should" be and what students can or can't endure.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 10:21
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Temple
Anonymous
09/05/2020 10:17
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Why would anyone want their kid to join a fraternity. Really.
You name the health issue (binge drinking, hazing, rape) and they have an outsized problem. This is based upon studies, not my stereotype).
Think about what else your kid is "learning" there.
Social connections, popularity
I think drinking, hazing and sex are why men join
I did not ask why a certain type of young man might want to join, I asked why a parent would EVER want their college age child in one.
do you have a current college student? The drinking and sex are just as prevalent outside of greek life now, if not moreso. Those inside greek life are actually held to standards and face charges that affect the entire chapter if caught. My kid goes go a heavy greek life school. Chapters have been suspended and/or kicked off for things like sororities giving new members a bottle of champagne, a frat requiring boys to party every night for the first week of pledging, having hard alcohol in their frat house, making pledges wear ugly clothes (considered hazing), etc. Right now, if they are caught in a group of more than 15, the whole frat or sorority can get disbanded.
The students not in greek life, are free to do whatever they want without responsibility to an organization. Their infractions only affect themselves. There are students who don’t party, but for those who do, it’s a free for all, and many have moved past alcohol and weed and cocaine is surprisingly common on college campuses now.
In addition, Sports teams haze just as hard if not harder and clubs party just as hard, although they can face infractions.
You can’t blame everything on greek life. All college students are adults and need to make responsible decisions. If they can’t, they shouldn’t be away from home yet.
Anonymous
09/05/2020 10:10
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Gap year isn't looking like such a bad option after all!
Anonymous
09/05/2020 09:47
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Gettysburg is going remote for semester.
Anonymous
09/03/2020 22:55
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ohio State has 882 cases. They added over 800 new cases in one week. They are holding steady on percent % on campus— but are at almost 10% positive off campus. Double a few days ago.
In response Ohio State has asked their students to take COIVD seriously, mask and social distance. Please. If you don’t mind.
What an innovative request. I’m sure no school has thought of that yet.
NP. Yep. The problem is that these have been "requests" and colleges are "asking" students to follow protocols. It's too late now for most schools, of course, but they should have (and still can) require masks, require distancing, etc. They would have to do the one thing they're scared to do: Enforce. They're scared parents will rebel because the parents will say how they pay big bucks for college and colleges can't tell their supposed "adult" children what to do, but can only ask. Sorry, if my adult college student isn't following the rules I welcome her being called out, and if she won't comply, sent home.
Many of the colleges had the students sign a contract agreeing to certain conditions before returning to campus. Dartmouth’s contract even says they agree to take a vaccine if one is approved by both the FDA and the school.
God, I hope they don't force students to take an untested Trump vaccine.
Pharmaceutical companies have developed the vaccines. They are being tested like all therapies are tested. These comments are exhausting. And yes, schools from elementary through college might have policies requiring immunization.
I could see a conservative leaning school forcing its students to take a vaccine that has been rushed by the FDA despite not having the normal testing protocols.
Anonymous
09/03/2020 21:42
Subject: Colleges that reopened and are shutting down
Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Anonymous wrote:Ohio State has 882 cases. They added over 800 new cases in one week. They are holding steady on percent % on campus— but are at almost 10% positive off campus. Double a few days ago.
In response Ohio State has asked their students to take COIVD seriously, mask and social distance. Please. If you don’t mind.
What an innovative request. I’m sure no school has thought of that yet.
NP. Yep. The problem is that these have been "requests" and colleges are "asking" students to follow protocols. It's too late now for most schools, of course, but they should have (and still can) require masks, require distancing, etc. They would have to do the one thing they're scared to do: Enforce. They're scared parents will rebel because the parents will say how they pay big bucks for college and colleges can't tell their supposed "adult" children what to do, but can only ask. Sorry, if my adult college student isn't following the rules I welcome her being called out, and if she won't comply, sent home.
Many of the colleges had the students sign a contract agreeing to certain conditions before returning to campus. Dartmouth’s contract even says they agree to take a vaccine if one is approved by both the FDA and the school.
God, I hope they don't force students to take an untested Trump vaccine.
Pharmaceutical companies have developed the vaccines. They are being tested like all therapies are tested. These comments are exhausting. And yes, schools from elementary through college might have policies requiring immunization.