Anonymous wrote:Also in Indiana...

THIS is what I want to see. Those kids have been given plenty of warnings, and quite frankly there are many kids that I think are eager to follow the guidelines and refrain from bad behavior. The kids willing to follow the rules shouldn't have their semester ruined because of the actions of a few, but the only way this will happen is if the colleges are serious about enforcement. Strong steps like this right at the start sends the clear message that actions have consequences.

The tests from kids who have returned are symptomatic or close contacts. Contact tracing at least going well.

As of two days ago, one staff member had tested positive and no faculty members.

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I totally understand how the disease works. If older people are scared of getting it and dying they should stay home. It's not the young people's fault for being a "bridge". It's simple, if you don't want to risk getting it, just stay home and let everyone make their own choices

We can't. We are trying really hard in my family to protect my husband (he's 61 but has three illnesse that make him extremely high risk)

We could shelter in place to some extent, for two-three months. But he NEEDS to have medical care, which means he needs to come into contact with people in the outside world. He had a heart attack, and had to be transported to the hospital via an ambulance... putting him in contact with people. He lives in a house with three other people and some of us need to go out to work and for our own necessary medical care. He needs physical therapy, occupational therapy, and in home nursing care. All the people who come to the house to provide that live with other people and are exposed through their own lives.

Low community spread protects him and keeps the people who care for him free from disease as well. It is very sad that people don't seem to care about anyone who is high risk, and just want them to hide away from all people forever, instead of doing what is necessary to just slow the spread of this illness to a low amount we can keep in check.

Let's throw IU into the mix here. There have been parties going on for weeks. Last night one was big enough that the school says they are identifying participants so they can be suspended. In response to the fb post about this one of the first parent responses was

"I am encouraging both my college kids to party and enjoy their college life. No one has the right to take away their Civil liberties! I will be the first person to file a lawsuit to protect their freedoms"

This sentiment is not uncommon on the IU parent pages. Along with exasperation and anger at the new rules designed to keep kids safe. Parents are telling their kids to ignore the rules. IU has a lot of students.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kids in the hospital? I'd assume the lack of hysteric articles about overrun hospitals in South Bend means this is a big nothingburger.

BINGO!! Report on the hospitalizations and deaths- not cases!

So I guess you don't understand how this disease works (hospitalizations lag infections by weeks).

AND I guess you don't understand why people worry about young people being the bridge to infecting those likely to die.

But hey, rah rah...let's party on because you know you are only young once.

I totally understand how the disease works. If older people are scared of getting it and dying they should stay home. It's not the young people's fault for being a "bridge". It's simple, if you don't want to risk getting it, just stay home and let everyone make their own choices

Yeah, if you don't want to get shot, stay outta the way of my bullets!

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Anonymous wrote:Any kids in the hospital? I'd assume the lack of hysteric articles about overrun hospitals in South Bend means this is a big nothingburger.

BINGO!! Report on the hospitalizations and deaths- not cases!

So I guess you don't understand how this disease works (hospitalizations lag infections by weeks).

AND I guess you don't understand why people worry about young people being the bridge to infecting those likely to die.

But hey, rah rah...let's party on because you know you are only young once.

I totally understand how the disease works. If older people are scared of getting it and dying they should stay home. It's not the young people's fault for being a "bridge". It's simple, if you don't want to risk getting it, just stay home and let everyone make their own choices

You seem like a lovely person.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kids in the hospital? I'd assume the lack of hysteric articles about overrun hospitals in South Bend means this is a big nothingburger.

BINGO!! Report on the hospitalizations and deaths- not cases!

So I guess you don't understand how this disease works (hospitalizations lag infections by weeks).

AND I guess you don't understand why people worry about young people being the bridge to infecting those likely to die.

But hey, rah rah...let's party on because you know you are only young once.

I totally understand how the disease works. If older people are scared of getting it and dying they should stay home. It's not the young people's fault for being a "bridge". It's simple, if you don't want to risk getting it, just stay home and let everyone make their own choices

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Anonymous wrote:Any kids in the hospital? I'd assume the lack of hysteric articles about overrun hospitals in South Bend means this is a big nothingburger.

BINGO!! Report on the hospitalizations and deaths- not cases!

So I guess you don't understand how this disease works (hospitalizations lag infections by weeks).

AND I guess you don't understand why people worry about young people being the bridge to infecting those likely to die.

But hey, rah rah...let's party on because you know you are only young once.

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Anonymous wrote:304 now.....

They tested 11,400ish before they went back, right? So 2.6% of students and staff are confirmed to have it?

Of those 11,000 only a handful (double digits, but I forget the exact number) were positive. The 304 is just from tests since everyone is back.

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Anonymous wrote:Any kids in the hospital? I'd assume the lack of hysteric articles about overrun hospitals in South Bend means this is a big nothingburger.

As of yesterday there have been no students hospitalized. At least one of the two hospitals is operating well under COVID capacity. IDK about the other.

Give it another couple of weeks, if the students are still there (which I doubt).

Anonymous wrote:Any kids in the hospital? I'd assume the lack of hysteric articles about overrun hospitals in South Bend means this is a big nothingburger.

BINGO!! Report on the hospitalizations and deaths- not cases!

Incidentally -- the 308 positives is out of 1,780 tests conducted since August 3.

Well -- I think one lesson that should now be learned by Notre Dame, and frankly, I would have thought it was obvious to anyone with any common sense in the first place: If you set up a committee to address something, important you should have people on the committee who know what the heck you are talking about.

Seriously -- they set of a medical/health committee to deal with the University's efforts to respond to an on-going national pandemic and they do not have a single MD on the committee. But, they do have the athletic director on the committee, and also someone from something called ND Innovates. Brilliant, I say. And it never occurred to anyone to say, "Hey, this is really, really stupid. We should have doctors and nurses on this committee, and the University people should be the school leaders and persons who could help facilitate and ensure a quick and safe response in the event of issues. Nah -- the athletic director would be a good addition though.

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