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Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

600 people, wow, such a groundswell.

Garibaldi is an Italian hero. Michaelangelo, Dante, Andrea Pirlo, Pavarotti,... those are Italian heroes. Not a second rate guy from Genoa who worked for Spain before Italian unification. Columbus was only chosen because of his tenuous link to America. For that matter Amerigo Vespucci would have been a better choice. Nowadays there are a lot of actual Italian-Americans that would be a better symbol.

Thats the organization that runs the columbus day parade. Notice it is almost exclusively... Italian.

The claim is that Columbus isn't a hero to Italian Americans.

They celebrate Italian pride not Columbus pride. The person and the date doesn't matter. It could be a DeNiro Day parade and have the exact same makeup and activities. There's nothing inherently about Christopher Columbus that makes it Italian. I mean it's not like there's anything Italian about the Spanish exploration of the new world.

Can't we get some better trolls around here? This is just pathetic.

Lol, no defense for that huh? Are they celebrating the golden age of the Spanish Empire? Everything Columbus did he did for Spain not Italy (which wasnt even a concept at the time). Gisotey is important.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

600 people, wow, such a groundswell.

Garibaldi is an Italian hero. Michaelangelo, Dante, Andrea Pirlo, Pavarotti,... those are Italian heroes. Not a second rate guy from Genoa who worked for Spain before Italian unification. Columbus was only chosen because of his tenuous link to America. For that matter Amerigo Vespucci would have been a better choice. Nowadays there are a lot of actual Italian-Americans that would be a better symbol.

Thats the organization that runs the columbus day parade. Notice it is almost exclusively... Italian.

The claim is that Columbus isn't a hero to Italian Americans.

They celebrate Italian pride not Columbus pride. The person and the date doesn't matter. It could be a DeNiro Day parade and have the exact same makeup and activities. There's nothing inherently about Christopher Columbus that makes it Italian. I mean it's not like there's anything Italian about the Spanish exploration of the new world.

Can't we get some better trolls around here? This is just pathetic.

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Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

Didn’t you hear? White, Latino, Native American, and Asian people have been cancelled. No one else is allowed to talk, except for in support of BLM, no one is allowed to celebrate anything, except for Kwaanza and Juneteenth Day, and no one is allowed to have any heroes, except for MLK and Harriet Tubman.

You sound completely rational.

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Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

Didn’t you hear? White, Latino, Native American, and Asian people have been cancelled. No one else is allowed to talk, except for in support of BLM, no one is allowed to celebrate anything, except for Kwaanza and Juneteenth Day, and no one is allowed to have any heroes, except for MLK and Harriet Tubman.

Sounds good. Please forward to Trump.

Yeah, we will see how you feel in a few months once the SJWing has died down because people have real things to do.

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Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

Didn’t you hear? White, Latino, Native American, and Asian people have been cancelled. No one else is allowed to talk, except for in support of BLM, no one is allowed to celebrate anything, except for Kwaanza and Juneteenth Day, and no one is allowed to have any heroes, except for MLK and Harriet Tubman.

Sounds good. Please forward to Trump.

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

Didn’t you hear? White, Latino, Native American, and Asian people have been cancelled. No one else is allowed to talk, except for in support of BLM, no one is allowed to celebrate anything, except for Kwaanza and Juneteenth Day, and no one is allowed to have any heroes, except for MLK and Harriet Tubman.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

600 people, wow, such a groundswell.

Garibaldi is an Italian hero. Michaelangelo, Dante, Andrea Pirlo, Pavarotti,... those are Italian heroes. Not a second rate guy from Genoa who worked for Spain before Italian unification. Columbus was only chosen because of his tenuous link to America. For that matter Amerigo Vespucci would have been a better choice. Nowadays there are a lot of actual Italian-Americans that would be a better symbol.

Thats the organization that runs the columbus day parade. Notice it is almost exclusively... Italian.

The claim is that Columbus isn't a hero to Italian Americans.

They celebrate Italian pride not Columbus pride. The person and the date doesn't matter. It could be a DeNiro Day parade and have the exact same makeup and activities. There's nothing inherently about Christopher Columbus that makes it Italian. I mean it's not like there's anything Italian about the Spanish exploration of the new world.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

600 people, wow, such a groundswell.

Garibaldi is an Italian hero. Michaelangelo, Dante, Andrea Pirlo, Pavarotti,... those are Italian heroes. Not a second rate guy from Genoa who worked for Spain before Italian unification. Columbus was only chosen because of his tenuous link to America. For that matter Amerigo Vespucci would have been a better choice. Nowadays there are a lot of actual Italian-Americans that would be a better symbol.

Thats the organization that runs the columbus day parade. Notice it is almost exclusively... Italian.

The claim is that Columbus isn't a hero to Italian Americans.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

600 people, wow, such a groundswell.

Garibaldi is an Italian hero. Michaelangelo, Dante, Andrea Pirlo, Pavarotti,... those are Italian heroes. Not a second rate guy from Genoa who worked for Spain before Italian unification. Columbus was only chosen because of his tenuous link to America. For that matter Amerigo Vespucci would have been a better choice. Nowadays there are a lot of actual Italian-Americans that would be a better symbol.

Exactly. It's one thing to choose Columbus because, if you're trying to show that Italian-Americans are American, better to pick a guy who came to America then, say, Michaelangelo. But in the day-to-day, does your average Italian person care about Columbus? Or your average Italian-American? Surely at this point there are some real Italian Americans to be proud of, anyhow.

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

You tell them that those statues need to be removed for the same reason Mussolini ones are removed in Italy.

But this is an interesting question nonetheless. All Columbus statues in Italy date from roughly 1900 and forward, a time that coincides with mass Italian immigration. He was not celebrated or a hero before then. I get it that for an immigrant he may be a nice symbol, a source of pride and a way to assert with the discriminating WASPs that they were here first. I also wonder why they chose Columbus vs. Vespucci for whom the country and the continent is named.

Italy is a country with such rich history and accomplishment, I hope Italian-Americans are open to the perspectives of others in their community.

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Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

600 people, wow, such a groundswell.

Garibaldi is an Italian hero. Michaelangelo, Dante, Andrea Pirlo, Pavarotti,... those are Italian heroes. Not a second rate guy from Genoa who worked for Spain before Italian unification. Columbus was only chosen because of his tenuous link to America. For that matter Amerigo Vespucci would have been a better choice. Nowadays there are a lot of actual Italian-Americans that would be a better symbol.

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

Maybe the Italian-Americans who think he’s a hero can move them to their KoC properties.

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

https://www.columbuscitizensfd.org/about-us/welcome.html

They might disagree.

Anonymous wrote:So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?

But Columbus isn't a hero to Italian-Americans, and neither is Braxton Bragg to Southerners. Here's an idea, how about abstract monumets instead?

So what would you replace them with and how would you handle telling Italian Americans that their heroes and their people no longer matter?