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DP here, but even the Bible says that a man shall leave his mother and father to cleave only unto his wife. The two shall become one and they are now each other’s main family and next of kin.

You say this like it's important what the bible says.

I guarantee you it has so many less than lovely passages that you're eager to ignore, but when it says what you want, you're all like Ohhh! Even THE BIBLE says!

FYI the Bible was written by men. So I guess the men wanted their moms to back off and let them live their lives.

OP's man clearly doesn't!

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Anonymous wrote:

DP here, but even the Bible says that a man shall leave his mother and father to cleave only unto his wife. The two shall become one and they are now each other’s main family and next of kin.

You say this like it's important what the bible says.

I guarantee you it has so many less than lovely passages that you're eager to ignore, but when it says what you want, you're all like Ohhh! Even THE BIBLE says!

FYI the Bible was written by men. So I guess the men wanted their moms to back off and let them live their lives.

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So what you're saying is even though we are MARRIED and im a member of the family I have to accept that my husband is going to family dinners every other Friday that never include me as his wife I just have to accept this and not say a word to my husband? But if once I have children I may be invitdd because me popping out babies deems me good enough to be a member of the family. So all I'm good for in the eyes of my husband's family is being a baby making machine? So my value as a wife is if I pop out kids. What freaking year are we in 1950? I'm going to assume your post was sarcastic or you are a troll because no one in their right mind can possibly think this way

You don't agree that a husband's main family once married is his wife? You really think parents/siblings are still his main family and not his wife? That he should prioritize them over his wife? I didn't realize he made vows with his parents and siblings or that he was sharing his life and house with them or having children with them? My bad.

Yes, having children with my son makes you more important to the family vs. not, I don't really know why this needs to be explained.

I don't know what vows you shared. You don't have any children.

Wives come and go. Parents are permanent. I mean you've only been married for two years and look at the airs you're putting on.

OP, I would be delighted if I were you. My MIL only talks about herself, gushes over strangers, talks about who is sick, what her ailments are, who is dead or dying, and the like. I also get to hear about how ungrateful she is about her situation, yet she is as safe and taken care of as anyone (!!!) I know.

She has everything literally taken care of for her, doesn't have to cook dinner, clean or grocery shop, is healthy (well mentally, who knows), and she lives with her friends, yet she can't be grateful. Maybe she's not so popular for the reasons I named? Who knows - I do know that misery loves company.

I am fine with DH taking that talk to another room, I don't need the depressing subjects (MIL is depressed, obviously).

If MIL asked about the kids or something, I would feel differently.

"You don't agree that a husband's main family once married is his wife? You really think parents/siblings are still his main family and not his wife? That he should prioritize them over his wife? I didn't realize he made vows with his parents and siblings or that he was sharing his life and house with them or having children with them? My bad."

NP: I think the implication that you only have value as a baby making machine is odd. But perhaps what they mean is that once you have something she wants - access to a grandchild - she'll stop treating you like crap? Unsure, since I didn't write that.

I think where you're just going so wrong OP is that it's so black and white for you. People don't just stop being primary members of their families of origin because they got married. Something went south with your MIL, no doubt. Either you created it or she did, or you both did. Either way, YOU are pitting your husband against your MIL just as much as you say she is pitting your husband against you. Every time you essentially imply, or actually state outright, that you have more value to him and are more important to him. That's not a given, and the more you dig in, the more she'll dig in, and on it goes.

Someone upthread said why not address it head on - "Hey, MIL, something feels off to me about why I'm not invited. It feels intentionally insulting, and I want to figure out what went wrong and how we can fix it." Instead, you're wanting to just "win" because you got married.

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DP here, but even the Bible says that a man shall leave his mother and father to cleave only unto his wife. The two shall become one and they are now each other’s main family and next of kin.

You say this like it's important what the bible says.

I guarantee you it has so many less than lovely passages that you're eager to ignore, but when it says what you want, you're all like Ohhh! Even THE BIBLE says!

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My husband left Friday night. Saturday my friends all had plans. Sunday afternoon I went to brunch with some of my girls. I have invited my SIL and MIL to brunch or girls days before and they either say no or they go a couple weeks later and never invite me. I don't expect to be invited obviously every time they go out as mother and daughter but it would be nice to be invited sometime as a DIL/SIL. I just feel like when I'm never invited it's like they don't see me as a member of the family AT ALL and its hurtful.

Your MIL and SIL do not consider you good company. Why is that?

Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying I never play a role but c'mon you can't seriously claim this is normal behavior to act towards someone married into the family to insist to your son he can't bring his wife to a family dinner 2x a month. You guys talk about me putting him in between him and his mom well by his mom telling my husband not to invite me she is putting herself in between her son and his wife. Your parents and siblings become your extended family and your spouse and any children you have are now your main family.

No. Your parents always remain your core family. Clearly your husband agrees!

Anonymous wrote:To me once you're married you stick by your spouse and they come first they are your main family now. I would never dream (hypothetically speaking) if I had a grown son to put him in a position of choosing between me and his wife and I would never dream of telling him he can't bring her and i wohld expect him to choose his wife every time. Once married they are your main family along with any children you choose to have.

It doesn't matter what it is to you, it matters how it is to your husband. It doesn't sound like he considers you his main family. It also doesn't seem like his family became his "extended" family.

Anonymous wrote:Again what if we had kids would he be expected to go to these family dinners and not bring me? Therefore expecting me to tend to the guys by myself almost every Friday while my husband gets to sit back and enjoy wine and dinner with his family of origin? How is that fair to me? I dunno I just feel like the minute his mother told him not to bring me he should have stood up for me and said mom I'm sorry I can't exclude my wife shr is my main family and therefore can't be left out of a family dinner. I love you and want to spend time with you but not at the exclusion of my wife just about every Friday.

Perhaps if you had kids, your value to the family would increase. Time will tell.

So what you're saying is even though we are MARRIED and im a member of the family I have to accept that my husband is going to family dinners every other Friday that never include me as his wife I just have to accept this and not say a word to my husband? But if once I have children I may be invitdd because me popping out babies deems me good enough to be a member of the family. So all I'm good for in the eyes of my husband's family is being a baby making machine? So my value as a wife is if I pop out kids. What freaking year are we in 1950? I'm going to assume your post was sarcastic or you are a troll because no one in their right mind can possibly think this way

You don't agree that a husband's main family once married is his wife? You really think parents/siblings are still his main family and not his wife? That he should prioritize them over his wife? I didn't realize he made vows with his parents and siblings or that he was sharing his life and house with them or having children with them? My bad.

None said that you should not be the priority and you are 13 days out of 14... I think it’s totally fair that one day every two weeks his mom and siblings are his priority... there is something really wrong with you if you cannot understand this

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That's literally what I originally said was that I am going to tell my DH not to go to his parents about our marital issues and you turned around and said my children can talk to me about their marital issues like ok... your point is?

But by listening to your kid's marital problems you are automatically putting yourself in the middle of someone else's marital issues. That's literally the definition of being "in the middle" when I listen to two friends/family members talk about their relationship/marital issues I become the middle person. I just don't understand why you wouldn't tell your children talk about it with your spouse.

I would definitely be pretty pissed if my MIL indulged DH in him talking to her about our personal issues.

You understanding this is not really any concern of mine. Continue not understanding if you wish.

You being not pissed off is also not any priority of mine.

Again, if you didn't understand the first time - my son will be free to talk to me about anything he wants for as long as he wants. Or not. It will all be up to him. Not his wife. Him. What his wife thinks isn't really important. Same for my daughter.

You're like a little toddler who stomps his feet when he discovers the world is not as he wishes it to be.

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My husband left Friday night. Saturday my friends all had plans. Sunday afternoon I went to brunch with some of my girls. I have invited my SIL and MIL to brunch or girls days before and they either say no or they go a couple weeks later and never invite me. I don't expect to be invited obviously every time they go out as mother and daughter but it would be nice to be invited sometime as a DIL/SIL. I just feel like when I'm never invited it's like they don't see me as a member of the family AT ALL and its hurtful.

Your MIL and SIL do not consider you good company. Why is that?

Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying I never play a role but c'mon you can't seriously claim this is normal behavior to act towards someone married into the family to insist to your son he can't bring his wife to a family dinner 2x a month. You guys talk about me putting him in between him and his mom well by his mom telling my husband not to invite me she is putting herself in between her son and his wife. Your parents and siblings become your extended family and your spouse and any children you have are now your main family.

No. Your parents always remain your core family. Clearly your husband agrees!

Anonymous wrote:To me once you're married you stick by your spouse and they come first they are your main family now. I would never dream (hypothetically speaking) if I had a grown son to put him in a position of choosing between me and his wife and I would never dream of telling him he can't bring her and i wohld expect him to choose his wife every time. Once married they are your main family along with any children you choose to have.

It doesn't matter what it is to you, it matters how it is to your husband. It doesn't sound like he considers you his main family. It also doesn't seem like his family became his "extended" family.

Anonymous wrote:Again what if we had kids would he be expected to go to these family dinners and not bring me? Therefore expecting me to tend to the guys by myself almost every Friday while my husband gets to sit back and enjoy wine and dinner with his family of origin? How is that fair to me? I dunno I just feel like the minute his mother told him not to bring me he should have stood up for me and said mom I'm sorry I can't exclude my wife shr is my main family and therefore can't be left out of a family dinner. I love you and want to spend time with you but not at the exclusion of my wife just about every Friday.

Perhaps if you had kids, your value to the family would increase. Time will tell.

So what you're saying is even though we are MARRIED and im a member of the family I have to accept that my husband is going to family dinners every other Friday that never include me as his wife I just have to accept this and not say a word to my husband? But if once I have children I may be invitdd because me popping out babies deems me good enough to be a member of the family. So all I'm good for in the eyes of my husband's family is being a baby making machine? So my value as a wife is if I pop out kids. What freaking year are we in 1950? I'm going to assume your post was sarcastic or you are a troll because no one in their right mind can possibly think this way

You don't agree that a husband's main family once married is his wife? You really think parents/siblings are still his main family and not his wife? That he should prioritize them over his wife? I didn't realize he made vows with his parents and siblings or that he was sharing his life and house with them or having children with them? My bad.

DP here, but even the Bible says that a man shall leave his mother and father to cleave only unto his wife. The two shall become one and they are now each other’s main family and next of kin.

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Wait, do you actually tell your children spefically talk to me about marital issues you have? You would be fine with your child bashing their spouse. I just don't understand why you would want to play middle man and get in the middle of drama in someone else's marriage.

My children can talk to me about whatever they wish, marital issues included. There is no middleman between me and my children.

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Anyways in my post I stated I would like our marital issues to stay between us and you turn around and say that you wouldn't mind your son talking to you about his spouse. When that comment literally had nothing to do with my point. I wasn't asking if his mom is ok with it that's not the point I don't give a shit if his mom encourages my DH to talk about our marital issues I don't like it and out of respect for our marriage I want our issues to stay between us. What if you find out your son's wife doesn't like it you would still encourage it? It isn't about if his mom likes it or not it is about if me as his wife wants her marital issues aired

If you don't want your DH to talk to his parents about your marital issues, take it up with him. He's the one who has to agree not to discuss it with his parents.

That's literally what I originally said was that I am going to tell my DH not to go to his parents about our marital issues and you turned around and said my children can talk to me about their marital issues like ok... your point is?

But by listening to your kid's marital problems you are automatically putting yourself in the middle of someone else's marital issues. That's literally the definition of being "in the middle" when I listen to two friends/family members talk about their relationship/marital issues I become the middle person. I just don't understand why you wouldn't tell your children talk about it with your spouse.

I would definitely be pretty pissed if my MIL indulged DH in him talking to her about our personal issues.

Why can’t your husband talk to someone (mother, sibling, friend) about marital issues? Should he just keep everything for himself? I sometimes complain to my parents air friends about something my husband does and I am sure my husband complains to his family and friends about me on occasion too... it’s normal

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Anonymous wrote:OP, there is a reason that they don't want to invite you. and there is a reason that DH doesn't seem to care that you're not invited either. Time to have a good hard look at what those reasons may be. *hint, if you're anything like you are on here IRL, that's the reason *

Well it's like the old adage what came first the chicken or the egg? Did you ever stop to think I get upset because they exclude me? Not that they exclude me because I act like this?

Have you ever asked your DH why he doesn't insist you are involved in these plans? I don't know why you place all the blame on your MIL. Your husband could have your back here but he chooses not to. And please don't say that it's because she has some weird hold on him. He's a grown adult. And if he is that much of a momma's boy, don't have kids with him.

I agree about not having children with momma's boy. If you stay with him, insist on marital therapy, and learning about healthy boundaries.

Does MIL have a spouse? How's that going?

Well according to everyone in this post this is normal behavior because I'm getting flamed for my post. Yes she has a spouse. My FIL is actually a normal nice guy. I'm not sure the inner happenings of their marriage if that's what you're asking?

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My husband left Friday night. Saturday my friends all had plans. Sunday afternoon I went to brunch with some of my girls. I have invited my SIL and MIL to brunch or girls days before and they either say no or they go a couple weeks later and never invite me. I don't expect to be invited obviously every time they go out as mother and daughter but it would be nice to be invited sometime as a DIL/SIL. I just feel like when I'm never invited it's like they don't see me as a member of the family AT ALL and its hurtful.

Your MIL and SIL do not consider you good company. Why is that?

Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying I never play a role but c'mon you can't seriously claim this is normal behavior to act towards someone married into the family to insist to your son he can't bring his wife to a family dinner 2x a month. You guys talk about me putting him in between him and his mom well by his mom telling my husband not to invite me she is putting herself in between her son and his wife. Your parents and siblings become your extended family and your spouse and any children you have are now your main family.

No. Your parents always remain your core family. Clearly your husband agrees!

Anonymous wrote:To me once you're married you stick by your spouse and they come first they are your main family now. I would never dream (hypothetically speaking) if I had a grown son to put him in a position of choosing between me and his wife and I would never dream of telling him he can't bring her and i wohld expect him to choose his wife every time. Once married they are your main family along with any children you choose to have.

It doesn't matter what it is to you, it matters how it is to your husband. It doesn't sound like he considers you his main family. It also doesn't seem like his family became his "extended" family.

Anonymous wrote:Again what if we had kids would he be expected to go to these family dinners and not bring me? Therefore expecting me to tend to the guys by myself almost every Friday while my husband gets to sit back and enjoy wine and dinner with his family of origin? How is that fair to me? I dunno I just feel like the minute his mother told him not to bring me he should have stood up for me and said mom I'm sorry I can't exclude my wife shr is my main family and therefore can't be left out of a family dinner. I love you and want to spend time with you but not at the exclusion of my wife just about every Friday.

Perhaps if you had kids, your value to the family would increase. Time will tell.

So what you're saying is even though we are MARRIED and im a member of the family I have to accept that my husband is going to family dinners every other Friday that never include me as his wife I just have to accept this and not say a word to my husband? But if once I have children I may be invitdd because me popping out babies deems me good enough to be a member of the family. So all I'm good for in the eyes of my husband's family is being a baby making machine? So my value as a wife is if I pop out kids. What freaking year are we in 1950? I'm going to assume your post was sarcastic or you are a troll because no one in their right mind can possibly think this way

You don't agree that a husband's main family once married is his wife? You really think parents/siblings are still his main family and not his wife? That he should prioritize them over his wife? I didn't realize he made vows with his parents and siblings or that he was sharing his life and house with them or having children with them? My bad.

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Wait, do you actually tell your children spefically talk to me about marital issues you have? You would be fine with your child bashing their spouse. I just don't understand why you would want to play middle man and get in the middle of drama in someone else's marriage.

My children can talk to me about whatever they wish, marital issues included. There is no middleman between me and my children.

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Anyways in my post I stated I would like our marital issues to stay between us and you turn around and say that you wouldn't mind your son talking to you about his spouse. When that comment literally had nothing to do with my point. I wasn't asking if his mom is ok with it that's not the point I don't give a shit if his mom encourages my DH to talk about our marital issues I don't like it and out of respect for our marriage I want our issues to stay between us. What if you find out your son's wife doesn't like it you would still encourage it? It isn't about if his mom likes it or not it is about if me as his wife wants her marital issues aired

If you don't want your DH to talk to his parents about your marital issues, take it up with him. He's the one who has to agree not to discuss it with his parents.

That's literally what I originally said was that I am going to tell my DH not to go to his parents about our marital issues and you turned around and said my children can talk to me about their marital issues like ok... your point is?

But by listening to your kid's marital problems you are automatically putting yourself in the middle of someone else's marital issues. That's literally the definition of being "in the middle" when I listen to two friends/family members talk about their relationship/marital issues I become the middle person. I just don't understand why you wouldn't tell your children talk about it with your spouse.

I would definitely be pretty pissed if my MIL indulged DH in him talking to her about our personal issues.

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My husband left Friday night. Saturday my friends all had plans. Sunday afternoon I went to brunch with some of my girls. I have invited my SIL and MIL to brunch or girls days before and they either say no or they go a couple weeks later and never invite me. I don't expect to be invited obviously every time they go out as mother and daughter but it would be nice to be invited sometime as a DIL/SIL. I just feel like when I'm never invited it's like they don't see me as a member of the family AT ALL and its hurtful.

Your MIL and SIL do not consider you good company. Why is that?

Anonymous wrote:I'm not saying I never play a role but c'mon you can't seriously claim this is normal behavior to act towards someone married into the family to insist to your son he can't bring his wife to a family dinner 2x a month. You guys talk about me putting him in between him and his mom well by his mom telling my husband not to invite me she is putting herself in between her son and his wife. Your parents and siblings become your extended family and your spouse and any children you have are now your main family.

No. Your parents always remain your core family. Clearly your husband agrees!

Anonymous wrote:To me once you're married you stick by your spouse and they come first they are your main family now. I would never dream (hypothetically speaking) if I had a grown son to put him in a position of choosing between me and his wife and I would never dream of telling him he can't bring her and i wohld expect him to choose his wife every time. Once married they are your main family along with any children you choose to have.

It doesn't matter what it is to you, it matters how it is to your husband. It doesn't sound like he considers you his main family. It also doesn't seem like his family became his "extended" family.

Anonymous wrote:Again what if we had kids would he be expected to go to these family dinners and not bring me? Therefore expecting me to tend to the guys by myself almost every Friday while my husband gets to sit back and enjoy wine and dinner with his family of origin? How is that fair to me? I dunno I just feel like the minute his mother told him not to bring me he should have stood up for me and said mom I'm sorry I can't exclude my wife shr is my main family and therefore can't be left out of a family dinner. I love you and want to spend time with you but not at the exclusion of my wife just about every Friday.

Perhaps if you had kids, your value to the family would increase. Time will tell.

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Wait, do you actually tell your children spefically talk to me about marital issues you have? You would be fine with your child bashing their spouse. I just don't understand why you would want to play middle man and get in the middle of drama in someone else's marriage.

My children can talk to me about whatever they wish, marital issues included. There is no middleman between me and my children.

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Anyways in my post I stated I would like our marital issues to stay between us and you turn around and say that you wouldn't mind your son talking to you about his spouse. When that comment literally had nothing to do with my point. I wasn't asking if his mom is ok with it that's not the point I don't give a shit if his mom encourages my DH to talk about our marital issues I don't like it and out of respect for our marriage I want our issues to stay between us. What if you find out your son's wife doesn't like it you would still encourage it? It isn't about if his mom likes it or not it is about if me as his wife wants her marital issues aired

If you don't want your DH to talk to his parents about your marital issues, take it up with him. He's the one who has to agree not to discuss it with his parents.