Anonymous wrote:Real talk: if Cheer hadn't been produced and been a hit for Netflix, do you think the twins (I'm not naming them even though it's out there) would have ever come forward about the sexual abuse?

I don't.

What's really fked up is that Jerry's preference for younger guys is a known in the cheer community. It's been a rumor for years.

Even his teammates knew about it. It was even joked about in Season 1 but no one outside of the cheer community would have caught the significance of it.

Season 1, Ep. 1, 35:34 - a bunch of the male cheerleaders are hanging out in a dorm, Jerry is also there, and they talk about how much Jerry loves cheer. Someone says he watches routines 24/7 and that's what Jerry's doing at that time. Then TT says he doesn't know how Jerry can sit there and watch younger teams do competitions and Jerry says, "oh, I love it!" Then La'darius chimes in that if there was a mini prep team, Jerry would know everything about them, their routine, the coaches, and their parents. And Jerry says, "that's right! I want to see Cubs from Houston redeem themselves because they was a mess. Cubs is mini 2. Those babies was not in a good state of mind that weekend."

Mini prep 1 & 2 cheer is ages 8 and younger.

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Anonymous wrote:So Dear Cheerleader(s)/ boring atty:

What does it take to let some people toss you in the air and how do you know, when you are on top of a high pyramid that somebody's going to catch you. How do you do that? My athletic ability makes this a moot point for me but I'm so curious psychologically. I find it Cool -af

My daughter is a flyer. It’s about balance, flexibility and having a super strong core. You are literally squeezing every muscle. Of course bases are the real hero’s, especially on all girls teams. You usually have back spotters and side spotters there to support legs and catch you. While the side bases hold your feet. It’s amazing team work and takes a ton of practice. I know girls who are at the gym 6 days a week plus competition days. The show is only showing team practices. There are lots of tumbling and stretching classes, followed by small groups.

Ex cheerleader/ Boring atty back. The mom above does a good job of explaining it. I learning how to fly in all girl stunts first before transitioning to co-Ed stunting. The first times up in a new stunt group are nerve wracking since the hold of your foot can feel different or the amount of force used to propel you up is different. Imagine standing in the platform side of a bosu ball (half ball side down) 7 feet in the air on one foot. You have to concentrate on keeping your foot stable by spreading your toes in your shoes, tight ankle and then pull all your body weight up while staying tight and hitting body positions in the air. The dismount is typically two twists prior to being caught. In that you have to make sure you stay tight with your arms in because any elbow out could mean you break a base’s nose. Basket tosses are fun but also painful. You hit with quite a bit of force over and over. It’s also easy to get lost in the air twisting and flipping which becomes dangerous for both you and the bases. You practice with your stunt group over and over and try out new combinations until one clicks.

Thanks for the walk down memory lane. It’s been awhile since I thought through the mechanics of flying.

Anonymous wrote:So Dear Cheerleader(s)/ boring atty:

What does it take to let some people toss you in the air and how do you know, when you are on top of a high pyramid that somebody's going to catch you. How do you do that? My athletic ability makes this a moot point for me but I'm so curious psychologically. I find it Cool -af

My daughter is a flyer. It’s about balance, flexibility and having a super strong core. You are literally squeezing every muscle. Of course bases are the real hero’s, especially on all girls teams. You usually have back spotters and side spotters there to support legs and catch you. While the side bases hold your feet. It’s amazing team work and takes a ton of practice. I know girls who are at the gym 6 days a week plus competition days. The show is only showing team practices. There are lots of tumbling and stretching classes, followed by small groups.

So Dear Cheerleader(s)/ boring atty:

What does it take to let some people toss you in the air and how do you know, when you are on top of a high pyramid that somebody's going to catch you. How do you do that? My athletic ability makes this a moot point for me but I'm so curious psychologically. I find it Cool -af

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Anonymous wrote:As to why so many of the athletes choose Navarro, it’s because they are close to the top All Star gyms in the state. Cheer Athletics, where they cheer has teams that allow cheerleaders to compete after they go to college. It’s one of the top gyms in the country and many of the athletes cheered there in high school then go to Navarro and come back to cheer on a level 6 team. I used to to cheer on Wildcats (co-Ed team) at Cheer Athletics. I went to a four year college though and am now a boring attorney. Little do my colleagues know, I am lots of fun at a trampoline park and my kids think it’s awesome I can do all the flips and twists. Happy to answer any questions though as it was a big part of my life for many years.

That’s amazing- they make the flips and twists look so easy! Really cool. So even if it’s close to a top gun, why wouldn’t someone just go to a well-known 4-year school to cheer there, vs. JuCo? Big fish in a small pond?

Ex-cheerleader back. Many of four year colleagues close by don’t field competitive teams. For example in the immediate area TCU and SMU both have cheerleading programs, but they are much more focused on sideline cheerleading as opposed to competing a 2.5 minute routine. What is interesting now is the sport of Acrobatics and Tumbling. It’s all the tumbling and stunting skills and none of the sideline cheerleading. This is an NCAA sport (all girl, no co-Ed teams) and is picking up momentum at four year colleges and universities.

There are many people though that leave Navarro and continue in to Texas Tech. There was a pipeline of sorts there. This was much more common before the show since people didn’t feel the need to stay for monetary or celebrity benefits.

^ top GYM!!!

Anonymous wrote:As to why so many of the athletes choose Navarro, it’s because they are close to the top All Star gyms in the state. Cheer Athletics, where they cheer has teams that allow cheerleaders to compete after they go to college. It’s one of the top gyms in the country and many of the athletes cheered there in high school then go to Navarro and come back to cheer on a level 6 team. I used to to cheer on Wildcats (co-Ed team) at Cheer Athletics. I went to a four year college though and am now a boring attorney. Little do my colleagues know, I am lots of fun at a trampoline park and my kids think it’s awesome I can do all the flips and twists. Happy to answer any questions though as it was a big part of my life for many years.

That’s amazing- they make the flips and twists look so easy! Really cool. So even if it’s close to a top gun, why wouldn’t someone just go to a well-known 4-year school to cheer there, vs. JuCo? Big fish in a small pond?

As to why so many of the athletes choose Navarro, it’s because they are close to the top All Star gyms in the state. Cheer Athletics, where they cheer has teams that allow cheerleaders to compete after they go to college. It’s one of the top gyms in the country and many of the athletes cheered there in high school then go to Navarro and come back to cheer on a level 6 team. I used to to cheer on Wildcats (co-Ed team) at Cheer Athletics. I went to a four year college though and am now a boring attorney. Little do my colleagues know, I am lots of fun at a trampoline park and my kids think it’s awesome I can do all the flips and twists. Happy to answer any questions though as it was a big part of my life for many years.

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, especially when they showed what happened with Ladarius after they all learn about Jerry. Yes he wasn't the most calm and rational person to begin with, but that news and not having Monica (his one trustworthy adult) available to help him work through it just pushed him over the edge. I hope at the end he realized he took out a lot of his justifiable rage about the situation on Monica rather than where it belonged, on Jerry.

I'm the PP that wrote this and I realized it comes across a bit as victim blaming. Ladarius has every right to be that angry when his friend was doing what he knew had hurt Ladarius so badly. I do think Monica could have helped him work through some of this rage but instead she went AWOL. And Ladarius didn't really have his teammates to support him either because they were all wrapped up in their own "how could he do that" mentality. So he left for his own mental sanity but lost some of his "family" as well. Like the PP said, much of this season is just sad.

Monica absolutely needed to help her team through this, but she was focused on herself. Oh I was in California, oh I had Covid, etc etc. all excuses for leaving them to deal with the fallout.

I am mildly suspicious that she had no idea about pending charges against Jerry until she was about to go on stage at DWTS. I guess it's possible but that's a hell of a coincidence and also a very good way to be away from the press when the news broke. I did read somewhere that she had a severe case of Covid and was really sick and I don't doubt that part of the story.

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Anonymous wrote:The second season really showed what happens when trauma isn't dealt with. Yes, cheer gave them a safe space and a family and filled a void they all had and it seemed that none of them have dealt with those huge issues of their childhood. Once that cheer structure is removed, it seems that a lot of them will have a really hard time moving on and being well adjusted adults.To me, the second season was incredibly sad.

I agree, especially when they showed what happened with Ladarius after they all learn about Jerry. Yes he wasn't the most calm and rational person to begin with, but that news and not having Monica (his one trustworthy adult) available to help him work through it just pushed him over the edge. I hope at the end he realized he took out a lot of his justifiable rage about the situation on Monica rather than where it belonged, on Jerry.

I also enjoyed the juxtaposition of the two schools in terms of resources. Navarro takes a plane, is overlooking the ocean, had a stage made. TVCC rode the bus and is staying at a Hampton nearby. Navarro watched the awards in a big conference room on a big tv. TVCC was all crammed in a hotel room. Makes one wonder if the "celebrity" of the program and people has affected them...and whether it will affect TVCC in future tournaments.

Of course celebrity effects teams, the same thing happens in every college sport. It also means that a community college in Texas can recruit a girl from Massachusetts. To the extent that there are talented athletes who want to go the juco rather than a 4 year program, the show is a goldmine for recruiting.

I still don’t understand Blum’s decision to go to Navarro. Navarro and TVCC are not the only top cheer programs in the country. Bridgewater University in Massachusetts is a four year school with multiple NCA championships under their belt. Most recently in 2019.

Navarro is only winning the Junior College title. Within that there are subcategories for co-Ed, all girls, and sizes of each team.

In short there are many award winning college programs out there. Even if I was the the best flyer/stunter/tumbler in country I wouldn’t move to such remote, desolate towns.

I don't really get this either, but, I'm guessing that her grades/SAT's are not that strong and Navarro was a well-known program before Netflix came along. Maybe they are well known for developing kids who can possibly move on the 4 year colleges (and maybe if they come from a NCA placing team they can actually get a little bit of money toward at a university program).

There is not a lot of discussion about what is going to happen after Navarro. I think Monica knows that for a lot of these kids there may be a lot of struggle after 2 years at Navarro (since they are likely not strong academically). She seemed completely on board and flexible with letting these kids do as many appearances/commercials/etc., when she knows it is a distraction. I think she knows they need to take advantage of making $ while they can and was looking out for them.

I also was impressed with how Monica handled the LaDarius situation. There is not enough therapy in the world for him. My heart literally broke for him (dealing with Jerry and not having Monica there). He has BIG FEELINGS and needs a lot of support. Monica and LaDarius ended on a note of forgiveness and much of that was her being a bigger person (and I genuinely think she cares for him).

Anonymous wrote:The show doesn’t really get Blum anywhere, except out of Massachusetts. Plus both of her parents have felony. Oh no big deal that her mom is stealing license plates.

The most any competitive cheerleader gets is a coaching position or the ability to open their own gym. You don’t need Netflix for that. She’s already coaching allstars cheer.
An education is what they all should be worried about. A two year degree from nowhere Texas doesn’t go very far.

it gets her 300k instagram followers. That seems to be how all of them are trying to cash in

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Anonymous wrote:I agree, especially when they showed what happened with Ladarius after they all learn about Jerry. Yes he wasn't the most calm and rational person to begin with, but that news and not having Monica (his one trustworthy adult) available to help him work through it just pushed him over the edge. I hope at the end he realized he took out a lot of his justifiable rage about the situation on Monica rather than where it belonged, on Jerry.

I'm the PP that wrote this and I realized it comes across a bit as victim blaming. Ladarius has every right to be that angry when his friend was doing what he knew had hurt Ladarius so badly. I do think Monica could have helped him work through some of this rage but instead she went AWOL. And Ladarius didn't really have his teammates to support him either because they were all wrapped up in their own "how could he do that" mentality. So he left for his own mental sanity but lost some of his "family" as well. Like the PP said, much of this season is just sad.

Monica absolutely needed to help her team through this, but she was focused on herself. Oh I was in California, oh I had Covid, etc etc. all excuses for leaving them to deal with the fallout.

She's the quintessential college coach. She comes across as a parent figure, but she only cares until you can't produce for her anymore. Look at how she treats the kids who don't make mat vs. the kids who are her 'stars'

The show doesn’t really get Blum anywhere, except out of Massachusetts. Plus both of her parents have felony. Oh no big deal that her mom is stealing license plates.

The most any competitive cheerleader gets is a coaching position or the ability to open their own gym. You don’t need Netflix for that. She’s already coaching allstars cheer.
An education is what they all should be worried about. A two year degree from nowhere Texas doesn’t go very far.

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Anonymous wrote:The second season really showed what happens when trauma isn't dealt with. Yes, cheer gave them a safe space and a family and filled a void they all had and it seemed that none of them have dealt with those huge issues of their childhood. Once that cheer structure is removed, it seems that a lot of them will have a really hard time moving on and being well adjusted adults.To me, the second season was incredibly sad.

I agree, especially when they showed what happened with Ladarius after they all learn about Jerry. Yes he wasn't the most calm and rational person to begin with, but that news and not having Monica (his one trustworthy adult) available to help him work through it just pushed him over the edge. I hope at the end he realized he took out a lot of his justifiable rage about the situation on Monica rather than where it belonged, on Jerry.

I also enjoyed the juxtaposition of the two schools in terms of resources. Navarro takes a plane, is overlooking the ocean, had a stage made. TVCC rode the bus and is staying at a Hampton nearby. Navarro watched the awards in a big conference room on a big tv. TVCC was all crammed in a hotel room. Makes one wonder if the "celebrity" of the program and people has affected them...and whether it will affect TVCC in future tournaments.

Of course celebrity effects teams, the same thing happens in every college sport. It also means that a community college in Texas can recruit a girl from Massachusetts. To the extent that there are talented athletes who want to go the juco rather than a 4 year program, the show is a goldmine for recruiting.

I still don’t understand Blum’s decision to go to Navarro. Navarro and TVCC are not the only top cheer programs in the country. Bridgewater University in Massachusetts is a four year school with multiple NCA championships under their belt. Most recently in 2019.

Navarro is only winning the Junior College title. Within that there are subcategories for co-Ed, all girls, and sizes of each team.

In short there are many award winning college programs out there. Even if I was the the best flyer/stunter/tumbler in country I wouldn’t move to such remote, desolate towns.

Didn't she say she wanted to get out of Massachusetts because she didn't want to be known as the rapist's kid? Of course she probably didn't know she'd be talking about her rapist dad on Netflix when she made that call. . .

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Anonymous wrote:The second season really showed what happens when trauma isn't dealt with. Yes, cheer gave them a safe space and a family and filled a void they all had and it seemed that none of them have dealt with those huge issues of their childhood. Once that cheer structure is removed, it seems that a lot of them will have a really hard time moving on and being well adjusted adults.To me, the second season was incredibly sad.

I agree, especially when they showed what happened with Ladarius after they all learn about Jerry. Yes he wasn't the most calm and rational person to begin with, but that news and not having Monica (his one trustworthy adult) available to help him work through it just pushed him over the edge. I hope at the end he realized he took out a lot of his justifiable rage about the situation on Monica rather than where it belonged, on Jerry.

I also enjoyed the juxtaposition of the two schools in terms of resources. Navarro takes a plane, is overlooking the ocean, had a stage made. TVCC rode the bus and is staying at a Hampton nearby. Navarro watched the awards in a big conference room on a big tv. TVCC was all crammed in a hotel room. Makes one wonder if the "celebrity" of the program and people has affected them...and whether it will affect TVCC in future tournaments.

Of course celebrity effects teams, the same thing happens in every college sport. It also means that a community college in Texas can recruit a girl from Massachusetts. To the extent that there are talented athletes who want to go the juco rather than a 4 year program, the show is a goldmine for recruiting.

I still don’t understand Blum’s decision to go to Navarro. Navarro and TVCC are not the only top cheer programs in the country. Bridgewater University in Massachusetts is a four year school with multiple NCA championships under their belt. Most recently in 2019.

Navarro is only winning the Junior College title. Within that there are subcategories for co-Ed, all girls, and sizes of each team.

In short there are many award winning college programs out there. Even if I was the the best flyer/stunter/tumbler in country I wouldn’t move to such remote, desolate towns.

Bridewater doesn't have a show on Netflix