Since different people review the files and there are no cut and dry rules, I don’t even think foia-ing the whole data set would be illuminating. There was a WTOO article a year or so ago that had the most hard data I have seen from FCPS-that said 60-70% of automatically in pool kids are admitted the first round, and 1700 kids had gotten in on appeal total for the last decade. So the unhappy 30% (myself included) are the ones posting here. I think most parents reading that stat would assume it’s kids with only one high score or very close to the cutoff scores who didn’t get in. But actually they are not admitting kids with high scores across the board. If the test scores don’t matter at all, why have the hassle of the tests?

FCPS isn't transparent with anything. The last time they released median NNAT and CogAT scores for the accepted students was around 2001. They don't want any of us to know these things.

I've been tempted to do a FOIA, just because I think it would be an interesting data set to play with.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God, it’s almost like they mixed up the accepted/rejected letters.

Starting to think you might be on to something.

This same thought occurred to me reading the other thread. Wow, could you imagine?

I'm not sure how FOIA requests work, but this year's results seem like an interesting candidate for a FOIA request.

I really doubt there was a widespread mistake with the acceptance letters, but I’m surprised there’s never been a bigger push for transparency in the selection process. It’s a public school system and parents should be given feedback (if they request it) about why their child was or wasn’t selected, just as they get feedback if a kid does or doesn’t qualify for SpEd services.

There probably are patterns, but you're not going to get them through posts on a message board. Over 2000 2nd graders will be in AAP, so there were probably 4000-5000 files reviewed. A FOIA on the full results might reveal patterns, but self reporting on dcum will not.

Several years ago, I had a child with high scores who was rejected. The AART was baffled and thought that my child was a shoo in. The AART's advice was to appeal, and if that didn't work, apply again the next year. Eventually, a child with high scores and support from the school will get in.

It's frustrating when your child is rejected, but you're not going to get some sort of answer or explanation. When even the AART finds the process somewhat random, none of us are going to be able to make any sense out of it.

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT 139, CoGAT 140 (130/133/139 V/Q/N) GBRS 2C/2F with great comments. DRA 34. rejected.

Unbelievable. PP are you from 22101?

I’m a different poster and my child is rejected with higher cogat and lower nnat. We are 22101.

NP from 22101 and I also posted earlier about high CogAT being rejected (though relatively low NNAT).

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Anonymous wrote:You are trying to find patterns. There are no patterns.

The only pattern would be that they flipped the results

Seriously, give it a rest. A SMALL subsection (about 40 out of hundreds posted their score) of the AAP population posts in this board. And to extrapolate that the scores were flipped is crazy. Of course, people who got in that did not except to would post. And, those that with high scores that did not get in would post. But I am sure there are many, many, more people out there that got the results they were expected and do not feel the need to post their scores.

Exactly. I seriously think this entire forum needs to go username, like the Political Forum did. Way too much obsessing and conspiracy theorizing here. Maybe if people had to log in every time, they’d think twice about posting such nonsense. You know you’ve gone off the rails when people are posting the race of their kid.

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Anonymous wrote:You are trying to find patterns. There are no patterns.

The only pattern would be that they flipped the results

Seriously, give it a rest. A SMALL subsection (about 40 out of hundreds posted their score) of the AAP population posts in this board. And to extrapolate that the scores were flipped is crazy. Of course, people who got in that did not except to would post. And, those that with high scores that did not get in would post. But I am sure there are many, many, more people out there that got the results they were expected and do not feel the need to post their scores.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:God, it’s almost like they mixed up the accepted/rejected letters.

Starting to think you might be on to something.

This same thought occurred to me reading the other thread. Wow, could you imagine?

I'm not sure how FOIA requests work, but this year's results seem like an interesting candidate for a FOIA request.

Yes, I don't know how we made it with NNAT < 115 and CoGat 130. Put together strong samples from home to supplement, but...

Anonymous wrote:You are trying to find patterns. There are no patterns.

The only pattern would be that they flipped the results

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Anonymous wrote:NNAT: 131
COGAT: (V / Q / NV / Composite) - 139/140 / 135 - Composite - 144
GBRS: (#Consistent / #Frequent / #Occasional) - don’t know
In-Pool: (Y/N) - Y
Parent Referral: (Y/N) - Yes
AAP Decision: (IN / NOT IN) - NOT IN

We are so disappointed and will request the packets tomorrow.

Only thing missing here is GBRS. I suspect it is very low with poor recommendation from the teacher. May be they thought the kid is prepped for rests but is not a AAP material. How were the report cards for last 3 years? DRA scores? Was the child in advanced reading, marh groups in the class as evident from the report cards?

I dont think we see the full picture unless we know all these dstapoints and I dont think FCPS can afford to reject objective test scores but take subjective opinion from teachers unless they also have other valid data points to deny.

If I were you, I would go for an appeal and try it out.

NP-I just want to point out that some schools do not have advanced reading and math groups. The only enrichment at our school is from parent volunteers. There is no different math offered for any kid until grade 5.

Then you appeal saying this and that that's why it's important for your child to be in level IV because his needs won't be met at the base school.

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Anonymous wrote:God, it’s almost like they mixed up the accepted/rejected letters.

Starting to think you might be on to something.

This same thought occurred to me reading the other thread. Wow, could you imagine?

I have requested the packet-
But at this time do not know GBRS. Interestingly enough, school led me to believe prior to submitting application that they would most likely get in.

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Anonymous wrote:Would anyone know if it is very dependent on zip code? We had 140 on NNAT and 130 on COGAT. Submitted recommendations, Art, writing samples and parent questionnaire. NOT IN
Zip
22066

Did you get the gbrs?

You can request the packet.

I am guessing my kid had poor work samples and less than stellar gbrs so he was rejected with high test scores.

Anonymous wrote:God, it’s almost like they mixed up the accepted/rejected letters.

Starting to think you might be on to something.

Anonymous wrote:Would anyone know if it is very dependent on zip code? We had 140 on NNAT and 130 on COGAT. Submitted recommendations, Art, writing samples and parent questionnaire. NOT IN
Zip
22066

Did you get the gbrs?

You can request the packet.

I am guessing my kid had poor work samples and less than stellar gbrs so he was rejected with high test scores.